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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:08 AM
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"Obama went hard left, now there's been a reaction to his policies across the board, and they're
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 11:08 AM by Pryderi
(Democrats) going to lose"

Mike Murphy, Republican strategist, said this on Meet the Press today.

"GO HARD LEFT"???? WHAT POLICIES DID PRESIDENT OBAMA "GO HARD LEFT" AND WHEN DID IT HAPPEN?

Why doesn't anyone call the GOPIGS on their rhetoric and ask for examples?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:10 AM
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1. hard left? ....LOL ...hard left of hard right maybe
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:10 AM
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2. Speaking of 'rhetoric,'
I assume your question is rhetorical, as it's beyond dispute that the corporate/complicit media are nothing more than the conservatroids' house organ - a mighty Wurlitzer, cranking out noise that's sweet music to their ears.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:11 AM
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3. Well, having an incredibly spineless media works wonders when setting the message.
Cronkite & Rather would NEVER have let these con-artists get away with this sort of nonsense.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:12 AM
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4. Obama hasn't even glanced left, let alone put even a toe left.
He has, of course, allowed his staff to distance his administration even further from the left. Gibbs and Emmanuel have been busy.

Why doesn't anyone in the MSM, where the propaganda is sent out each day, call the propagandists on their bullshit? Who owns them?
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:19 AM
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6. +1
Obama's continuing a lot of the Bush policies; the nazis and their media sympathizers are spinning so hard I can feel the breeze here.


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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:22 AM
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7. +2
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:17 AM
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5. That's the biggest problem with the Dems. They let the
Neocons lie non-stop without making much of any reply. So, the Neocons
continue to fool the American people with lies, since the people hear
no other version. So the Neocons win in the war of words.

Keep it up, Democrats, and give the Elections of 2010 as a present to the Neocons!
Just keep on helping the Neocons win!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:24 AM
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8. Liar, liar!!!!
Obama 'hard left'? Pleeeeze!
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:32 AM
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9. I don't think dems are going to lose as big as the pukes are spinning
but let them keep saying that and the repugs will think others will pick up their slack and stay home on election day. let's hope for bad weather on election day and even more will stay home.
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libtodeath Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:49 AM
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14. I think
I think a lot of folks are playing wiht the pollsters and telling them they are going to vote repig just to see thier heads spin election night when we do ok.
If Democrat candidates start campaigning saying that HCR must now be a single payer system paid for by the fat cats stealing our labors then we will gain seats.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:35 AM
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10. According to the GOP (and Tea Party), anything even close to centrist
or even right of centrist is a "hard left".
You're either all the way "hard right" or you're "hard left" all the way...spiel law of political rhetoric bullshit
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:43 AM
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11. No one knows what is Left any more. The Right has been permitted
say what is Right and what is Left. This is what
happens when a Party does not have its own definition.

The Me Too Democratic Party does not apparently know
what is Left either.

I will give this explanation. The Republicans do not
believe in any form of Gov. Health Care. Therefore
the fact that Democrats passed a Right of Center Bill,goes
against Conservatism. Any form of any Health care is to
a Conservative--a hard Left turn.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 09:45 PM
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28. The fault isn't in the Democrats' lack of definition.
It's in the Republican Big-Money lockstep. From some angles it can look almost like principle, or even leadership.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:45 AM
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12. ....and UP is DOWN.
Tis a strange strange world.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:45 AM
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13. Boy, I totally missed that
Seemed more like he drifted right to me.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:52 AM
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15. Obama would have to take a "hard Left" to be slightly liberal.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 11:53 AM
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16. Heh. If he actually went 'hard left, he would be a hero. Remember how many times FDR got re-elected?
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 11:53 AM by Edweird
'Hard left' is good for the general citizenry and rewarded as such in elections. Obama is merely 'slightly less hard right', and is thus suffering for it.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:13 PM
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18. The truth and they know it. Hence their agitation when he
makes even the slightest move to the left. People want the corporations to stop robbing them blind. People want the government to help the people for once instead of the corporations. They know what whoever does this will gain support.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:01 PM
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17. LOL! Why don't they use some good old fashioned "street talk" responses?
Like "if it takes a hard left to avoid a freakin' cliff, thank God we finally have a presidential leader smart enough to DO it".

or "devotedly making hard rights is how you flush a toilet bowl, not run a country".

Surely other DUer's can come up with something snarkier.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 01:45 PM
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19. more republican lies....tomorrows talking point for right wing radio.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 01:58 PM
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20. total right wing bullshit
which is all we've heard from them for the last...oh...10 years. Okay, 30 years. Okay, 40 years.

The current democratic party is so far to the right its policy positions are more aligned with Eisenhower than the Republicans - who are more aligned with Pinochet.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:03 PM
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21. Are they stupid or just totally disoriented?
What would they say if we had a president who really was a "leftist"? There's never been one.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:21 PM
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25. No not those guys who get a forum on the TeeVee.
know exactly what they are doing and that what they say is a BIG LIE. But that's the format. Look how they got 1/3 of the people to believe Iraq was involved in 9/11. They used the same tactics. Gregory should have called him on it, but he's part of the problem.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:09 PM
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22. This is why liberals and progressives should distance themselves
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 02:09 PM by mmonk
from policies that aren't progressive so the sheep can differentiate. The sheep think that all Democrats are hard left and are the same, even when some Democrats use their Republican party's ideas.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:18 PM
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23. And Gregory, of course, let it slide.
I would have corrected him stating that if Obama had gone hard left we would be enjoying Canadian style health care in the near future, so what else has he done that is hard left?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 02:19 PM
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24. that's what makes me so fucking angry
they did NOTHING hard left and they're paying the price for it anyway.
So why NOT try the hard left policies?
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 07:46 PM
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26. I think it all depends on your perspective.
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 07:46 PM by JamesA1102
The GOP and MSN have been dragging this country to the right for years.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 09:03 PM
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27. So the Democrats will likely respond
Edited on Sun Sep-12-10 09:04 PM by GreenArrow
by veering further right in order to show that they are not "hard left", thus further marginalizing any sort of historically understood ideas of "left".

Instead of running away from it, there's a better solution for the Democrats to take: EMBRACE the Left. If they want to talk about Socialism, then give them some damn socialism. At the very least, it will bring the national conversation back to a more balanced place.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 10:36 PM
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29. His problem isn't turning Left. It is ignoring the PEOPLE.
on the bailout.

on health insurance.

on the war.

on the economy.

You can't expect to ignore what the vast majority of voters are telling you, shove through unwanted legislation anyway, show a pathetic response to the real problems, and not have voters be enraged.
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