BRUTAL PIE CHART: Deaths from 9/11, War on Terror, & Iraq War

[yurbud]

Will the apologists for Dems in Congress who supported the war (and thereby supported Bush), and still spew the same DC talking points, have the guts and honesty to respond to this?



Details:
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/09/12/and-they-had-nothing-to-do-with-911/

[panader0]

1. Rec'd and bookmarked

[Chulanowa]

2. Iraqis haven't been people since 1989

Ever since then, the United States has had less concern for them than it does rats in the subway.

[RedCloud]

9. And yet historically the palefaces' words hurt us more than their bullets.

Starvation needs to be added.

[laylah]

12. +a gazillion!

[yurbud]

13. when you are OUR dictator, you can do no wrong. When you decide you are the leader of a sovereign

country, you can expect to die of unnatural causes.

[Chulanowa]

18. And then madeline Albright can tell the world that it was totally worth it

[rhett o rick]

3. Just remember Dem's that supported Bush are better than......(fill in the blank). nm

[yurbud]

15. that's like the argument righties used about torture: ''yeah, but Saddam did WORSE!''

I think it's called defining deviancy down.

[rhett o rick]

23. I was going for facetious. nm

[Forkboy]

4. This stuff just excites the ones who are for war.

[yurbud]

16. numbers don't do it, they need to see actual bodies to get it up.

Like a lynch mob.

[unblock]

5. winning hearts & minds!

:sarcasm:

[yurbud]

14. and collecting them charred and bloody in a box.

just kidding.

We just leave them there to rot or be eaten by dogs.

[indepat]

6. More than 300 civilians killed for every person killed on 9-11 and virtually every one of them

without ties to 9-11. :cry:

[L0oniX]

7. What a great ingenious way to recrute more people into the ranks of Al Qaeda .

[Fumesucker]

8. Mishun Akomppliched!

[Vehl]

10. well said

I'm starting to think that this is indeed one of the main goals of those who started these wars...to ensure that the cycle of hate and violence would be such that no peace could be achieved..even if people wanted it

[L0oniX]

11. I am a worker who builds weapons of war and I appreciate the perpetual wars.

Thanks to you tax payers my six figure income will help send my kids to college and insure my early retirement. Thanks ...SUCKERS!

:sarcasm:

[Raster]

22. Just starting to wake up, eh? Factions of the American government

...are controlled by the Military Industrial Complex, and they need conflict. They need wars to sell their products. This country will NEVER know peace as long as the MIC is allowed to dictate national policy.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

17. It's worth noting that the number of Iraqi casualties they use is one of the highest estimates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Total_Iraqi_casualties give all sorts of discussion of varying reliably, but estimates of the number of Iraqui casualties differ by a factor of 10; this graph appears to use one of the highest, and in general the much lower ones look to come from more reliable and less sensationalist sources. A hundred thousand or hundreds of thousands of deaths is still an awful lot, though.

[CrawlingChaos]

21. The Lancet is a sensationalist source?

It's the low estimates that are not credible. They come from the warmongers themselves, and their mouthpieces.

[yurbud]

44. it's worth noting that righties didn't discuss these numbers in any detail till

Lancet did this study, and other fairly disinterested groups tried to calculate it.

[yurbud]

45. what was the more realistic number Fox News, the Wall St. Journal, & Washington Times gave?

[Swamp Rat]

19. One death was too many.

:(

[TexasObserver]

20. Overkill that has accomplished nothing positive.

[The_Commonist]

24. There's something missing from that chart...

What about the "bad guys"?
What about the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, for example?
We didn't only cause "civilian" casualties.

And for the record... I was and am against both wars.
I just think that this chart is disingenuous.

[bvar22]

30. The Taliban did not and could not threaten us.

:patriot:

[Hannah Bell]

34. we started the war on false pretenses, and we invaded. therefore we caused *all* the casualties.

the "bad guys"?

don't make me laugh.

[The_Commonist]

40. I certainly expected these kinds of responses...

...so I am not surprised.

That being said... I would like to see this graph broken down a bit.
And yes, there are "bad guys" in the world, besides Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.

"al Qaeda" destroyed the Twin Towers with the explicit goal of getting the U.S. mired in a land war in a Muslim country. It worked, because the Neo-Cons were looking for a "New Pearl Harbor" to enact their global domination agenda. Whether the Bush administration "let it happen on purpose" or "made it happen on purpose" is irrelevant. As is the fact that they lied us into the war in Iraq.

We became mired in not one, but two land wars in Muslim countries. Not everyone of the casualties in Iraq, for instance, is a civilian. Certainly there is a number of them who were foreign fighters who went to Iraq to kill American soldiers.

I do not think this tells the whole picture. How many casualties did we cause among combatants?
To call them all "civilian casualties" is disingenuous...

[yurbud]

43. as bad as the Taliban is, they don't have the weapons to kill as many people as we do at once

[OnyxCollie]

25. k&R. nt

[Blue Owl]

26. cc: GWB

You're no hero, GWB.

[Beavker]

27. Go to this link, then there is another link. Some of the comments

are insane. There are some real war mongering hate filled teabagging scum in this contry trolling that site.

The real question are the sources, I get it. But I love how random people are 'expert' enough to question a source.

[valerief]

28. Big kick!

:kick:

[earcandle]

29. We could be generating a real hatred for those who started this war against not just the people of

Islam, but of the people of America as well.  These wars took
away our rights and privileges, our money, our ability to
build our infrastructure, educate our people and invest in our
future.  The mentality of the folks who caused these wars
ruined  forever the American Dream.  Don't blame your fellow
Americans, blame those you can directly connect to the horrors
that occurred from the scam called 911.  

We have a lot to be angry about and we need justice or we need
revenge.  The best revenge is to live well, so I would
advocate communication and planning with your fellow men and
women to recapture our money, our taxes, and our labor to
begin to grow without the use of their blood money and to
forbid any longer the use of our tax dollars and savings for
their insane purposes.  

Makes logical and perfect sense that if our justice system
will not hold those accountable for doing this to this world,
then perhaps it will be left to those who are hit the hardest
to find revenge, be it Americans gone postal, or those Iraqi
and Afghani police we are training with our bucks who may come
traveling up the Mississippi in Trojan Horses funded by the
Tea Party to stage their Armeggedon, launched in a Gulf of
Mexico, unmanned by those who could protect us from such
things.  

Let me be the canary in the mine and just point out that there
are reasons for all of this flooding, all of this destruction
of our coastal lands and given the evil these people are
capable of, we need to stretch out our minds to seek all
possibilities and to cause the obstruction of those
possibilities through preparation, not fear, as our guide. 

Those creeps may have some big plans that need thwarting
yesterday. 

[bvar22]

31. K&R

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
---Republican President Dwight Eisenhower

Just say "NO" to supplemental WAR Appropriations.
Switch Military Spending to PAYGO.

[Hannah Bell]

32. and there we are in iraq, polluting their hallowed ground with our bases & arms.

[Soylent Brice]

33. K&R

[bertman]

35. Short answer: No.

Rec. nt

[ooglymoogly]

36. The fake wars and their trumped up cause, have been the worst

mistakes of this countries life; Starting with the trumped up drug war we were lied into; The precursor to all the tragedy that followed.

[G_j]

37. More brutal charts

http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/09/11/perspective-on-911-and-the-invasions-of-iraq-afghanistan/

Perspective On 9/11 And The Invasions Of Iraq & Afghanistan

by government_employee on September 11, 2010 |








Total Casualties – Iraq & Afghanistan Civilians, US Military, and September 11th



Statical Comparisons

Iraq experiences 27.79 Fort Hood shootings a day and averages the equivalent casualties of September 11th every 8.23 days.

Afghanistan experiences 1 Fort Hood shooting a day and averages the equivalent casualties of September 11th every 231.24 days.

Iraq and Afghanistan combined experience 28.78 Fort Hood shootings a day and average the equivalent casualties of September 11th every 7.95 days.

In total, Iraq and Afghanistan have experienced the equivalent of 348 September 11ths or 79960 Fort Hood shootings.

Methodology

Iraq Civilian Casualties: There is high variance between various sources on the number of civilian casualties since the US-led invasion in March 2003. The only source to calculate Iraqi civilian casualties since the invasion is Iraq Body Count, which only counts bodies confirmed by the Western media, leading it to severely under-report the total number of civilians killed since March 2003. Correspondingly, other studies only cover specific time periods. For instance, the most recognized study conducted by Lancet and John Hopkins University in October 2006 listed over 650,000 killed. Data is then extrapolated to represent the March 2003 to September 2010 timeframe.

Afghanistan Civilian Casualties: Currently, no study exists that comprehensively covers the total civilian casualties since the October 2001 aerial campaign and subsequent invasion. Most studies focus on yearly statistics or casualties deriving from a specific method (aerial bombing, improvised explosive devices, etc.). When possible, yearly computations were combined or extrapolated to find a total, as was done in the excellent table provided in Wikipedia’s page on civilian casualties since the US Invasion.

Base Statistics: September 11 Victims: 2,974; American Casualties in Afghanistan & Iraq: 5697; Afghan Civilian Casualties: 45,799; Iraqi Civilian Casualties: 989788′ Total Iraqi & Afghan Civilian Casualties: 1035587; Average Daily Civilian Casualties, Iraq & Afghanistan: 374.18. Click here to download the spreadsheet used to calculate the above numbers.

[newtothegame]

38. ? Respond to a graph somebody made on their home computer ?

:shrug:

They've had the #'s all along, some kid making a pie chart on PowerPoint isn't gonna change that.

[pasto76]

39. Iraqi lives are worth less than american lives

havent met very many liberals or dems that agree with that, but by inaction and passive voice, most republicans and conservatives do.

Its just a fact for them. We were told that we could use "sticks" less than 30 inches in length to administer corporal punishment to iraqi children in an effort to keep them away from our heavy equipment and construction sites. As a lowly specialist I challenged the whole company chain of command, loudly in fact (retribution was to come months later), that if our families could see us over here, hitting kids with broom handles, wouldnt they be proud.
It worked from the bottom up. Getting that point across to my peers took the wind from the sails of the "leadership". No iraqi citizen or resident was ever assaulted by any of my platoon in that manner.

SGT PASTO

[MilesColtrane]

41. They forgot to include these War on Terror casualties:

Article One of the Constitution

The 1st, 4th, and 6th Amendments to the Constitution

The Geneva Conventions

Common Human Decency

[yurbud]

46. don't go all commie on us with yur innernational law & such

laws r fur the master race to keep the rest in line!

[femrap]

42. Nothing like a

good pie chart to make the point.

Thanks for posting.