Why put the people back in power who helped destroy the economy?

[andym]

This is the one question to pose to your less politically knowledgeable acquaintances. Let it go viral....

Maybe even: "Why put the people back in power who destroyed the economy?"

[LWolf]

1. Is this supposed to be a campaign talking point,

or are you referring to Obama's appointments?

[kickysnana]

7. +1

[another saigon]

15. no shit!

wtf? From Geithner, Rubin and Summers at treasury to Gates and Betrayus at Defense. It smells like team spirit to me!

[andym]

22. Economy was already destroyed by the time Obama became President. nt.

[LWolf]

23. Which doesn't answer the question. nt

[andym]

24. Yes it does answer your question.

Since the economy was ruined before Obama became President, it was ruined by the economic policies of the Bush administration and Republican-dominated congress, including their very lax regulatory policies and laws passed to ensure that corporations, especially banks could have free rein. The free-wheeling mortgage and derivatives markets were the key to the disaster. So the point was that the idea that Republican policies caused the economic disaster and that they should not be returned to power should go viral in order to influence the coming election and prevent their return to power. This is especially true in that they would cheerfully remove the regulations that have been put in place since, in order to have a philosophically pure free market. They would not spend any more money to stimulate the economy and furthermore would try to cut government spending, guaranteeing a very long recession.
It should be more than a campaign talking point, it should become part of the popular culture....

[uponit7771]

28. The poster thinks you can "redestroy" the destroyed before it fixed

[LWolf]

34. You don't think or speak for me, and your mind-reading attempt is a failure. nt

[MadHound]

32. Umm, when it comes to deregulation of the financial sector,

It is the Clinton administration that takes the cake. They abolished a slew of long standing laws, like Glas-Steagall, that allowed for the emergence of the bubble in the first place. Geithner, Rubins and Summer are all products of that administration, and all wholeheartedly applauded and worked for the tearing down of these restrictions.

[andym]

38. It's true that the Clinton administration gets some credit

for destroying the economy, by participating in the post-Reagan deregulation movement.

[LWolf]

33. The question wasn't about who started the economic turndown.

You asked this question: "Why put the people back in power who helped destroy the economy?"

I asked you if your question referred to voters putting republicans back in power, or to Obama appointing some of those who were culpable to his administration.

Your question is open to interpretation.

If you mean why would voters put republicans back in power, the answer is simple. The Obama administration put corporate recovery before jobs, and hasn't acted quickly or decisively enough to help those losing jobs, losing hours, getting wages cut. You don't have to agree with this to understand that this is how many voters will view the situation.

If you mean why would Obama appoint people who were part of the problem to his administration, putting them back in power, that answer is simple as well. He is a neoliberal, he appointed neoliberals, and he supports the neoliberal economic agenda that is behind the ruined economy.

[uponit7771]

27. -1, 62k jobs in one month under Obama 0 private sector under Bush.

[LWolf]

35. Is this an answer to the OPs question?

Because it doesn't address mine.

[rucky]

2. Because they never promised us hope!

oh, wait.

[HughBeaumont]

3. America is going to pay a grave price for being slloooooow learners.

There's really not much more to say other than that.

Republicans love their cycles of bullshit, and Republican-loving 'murka falls for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. Plant stupid-idea timebombs that go off just as you leave the building, then by the time country is a wreck, people are sick of you and you're safely out of office . . . guess who gets the BLAME????

Democrats. Every stinkin' TIME.

"Weelllll, why haven't they repaired the 30 year Republican mess in 2 years? They've had TWO FUCKIN' YEARS to fix the mess! I'm votin' Republican next time!1!1!! THAT'LL fix things!!"

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[galileoreloaded]

4. Why not? What are you soooooo invested in??? n/t

[Davis_X_Machina]

5. They'll let us keep our guns! n/t

[Snarkoleptic]

6. Cuz we is too stoopid to figger out wots bets for uz?

[dkf]

8. I would say the elites used laws passed by Bill Clinton more than anyone else.

If Clinton had left decent regulatory law in place and not exempted the most egregious, we could blame Bush's lack if enforcement. But the Clinton years created credit default swaps and other derivatives that turned into economic time bombs.

[xchrom]

9. Because both political parties are invested in having you and me

Believe that's the only crew who can innovate, fix,
Resolve, understand, etc any of those problems
They created in the first place.

[JVS]

10. Is this about the mid-terms or Ben Bernanke serving under Bush then Obama?

[flyarm]

11. ahhh the $64,000. dollar question! You won't get answered here!

opps, I thought you meant Obama and all the Goldman Guys and wall street guys who destroyed our economy.. on his staff and administration!! And all the Bush holdovers!!

[ejpoeta]

12. i don't think it will work because you have people who think that

obama and the dems made the mess. not sure how, considering the bottom fell out in 2008. i remember because mccain suspended his campaign to go fix it. so i know it was already broken when obama came in, and yet this is all his doing. and the dems. not sure how they get that idea. but they don't like facts. faux news tells them it is so.

[flyarm]

14. ahhh because the Banks and wall street and big pharma and the Insurance corps got all the stimulus?

and almost nothing has been done for the "LITTLE" people and their lack of jobs?? perhaps?? And people are losing their homes and can't feed their kids..and while the BIG Guys were reaping their huge bonus's..liberals and Progressives that begged for scraps..were called F#$king Retarded Professional liberals , like they are no longer wanted or needed for the Obama agenda????????perhaps???? And women have been sold out, and Gays have been sold out, and state secrets protect the war criminals..and we hear that all combat troops are out of Iraq, when 50,000 still stay in Iraq on COMBAT PAY! Rendition flights continue, Betray-us is now our buddy in Afghan..after years of distrust and disgust of the man?? Perhaps????? Spying on Americans was a terrible thing under Bush , but now it is AOK????????????? Perhaps??
The big Corp boys are sitting on our money..yes your money and mine..and not hiring and we get regulations every corp would relish! While Americans are all thrown out to the curb.

All the while the big guys get all the Bennies..the working folks if they still have a job, are terrified of becoming the unemployed, and are putting up with shit in the work place they never dreamed of.

The only ones who have benefited from this recession are the Big Boys..what has been done for the blue collar worker that would make them have allegiance to this administration?

Many people vote from their own pocket book ..and fears of what will become of their pocket books in what they see on a daily basis!

[Demeter]

13. Fire Geithner, Summers, Goolsbee, and Bernanke, Then

because they ARE the engines of destruction.

[flyarm]

16. + 1 million!! or 15 million out of work because of them! and Their ilk! eom

[L0oniX]

29. +99999999999999999999999999999

[opihimoimoi]

17. Lemme get this straight....why? well, its because we are not gonna let them GOPers lie to us anymore

The Wacky dudes constantly lie to divide us but it ain't gonna work....it didn't for 2 elections and it ain't for this Nov

[opihimoimoi]

18. Besides, they confirm Selfishness to the Nth Degree...way above COUNTRY FIRST.

ITS THEM FIRST...THE GOP PARTY AND THEIR NEOCONS PNACers

[flyarm]

19. "The Democrats are in deep, deep trouble because..."

see this thread..Herbert says it well..........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=edit&forum=389&topic_id=9122251&mesg_id=9122611

Paying the Price
By BOB HERBERT
Published: September 10, 2010

.... voters do not feel that the administration and Congress have delivered the fundamental change they were seeking when they swept President Obama and huge Democratic majorities into office nearly two years ago.

The Democrats are in deep, deep trouble because they have not effectively addressed the overwhelming concern of working men and women: an economy that is too weak to provide the jobs they need to support themselves and their families. And that failure is rooted in the Democrats’ continued fascination with the self-serving conservative belief that the way to help ordinary people is to shower money on the rich and wait for the blessings to trickle down to the great unwashed below.

With the nation losing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month in early-2009, the president and his allies in Congress could have rallied the citizenry to participate in the difficult work of nation-building here at home. He could have called on everyone to share in the sacrifices that needed to be made, and he could have demanded much more from the financial and corporate elites who were being bailed out with the people’s money.

For Mr. Obama and the Democrats, that would have meant that health insurance reform, however noble, would have had to wait, and the war in Afghanistan would have had to de-escalate.

That didn’t happen. The Democrats are facing an election debacle because they did not respond adequately to their constituents’ most dire needs. The thing that is really weird is that a strengthened G.O.P. will undoubtedly make matters so much worse.

Please read the full article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/opinion/11herbert.htm...


Instead when so many intelligent Liberals were ignored or lied to , or called Fucking retarded Professionals..or bullied on message boards and told they wanted a pony , or there was an incredible Chess game going on..all the while policies were working against we the people..and criminals were being defended in our courts against war crimes..and Immunity was given for violating our constitutional rights by spying on Americans illegally..and state secrets were claimed which violated our rights and giving permission to kill Americans on foreign soil without due process or judicial representation. When instead of a National Health Care policy we have been sold out to the highest bidders and secret deals were made to actually make the policy a Health Insurance/ Big Pharma Protection Act! And where were the American people in all of this? Watching their health insurace coverage prices going up and up and up and totally fucked!

[L0oniX]

30. Who's to say that it will be any different if the Dems hold on to power?

Will we still be at war? Will we still be spending over a trillion a year on the pentagon? Will we still be losing jobs? Will one in 7 still be bellow the poverty line? I can tell you this ...if the repukes take control we will still be losing jobs, be involved in war, spending over a trillion per year on the pentagon and one in 7 will be still bellow the poverty line. So you tell me ...what's the difference? Health Care? O yea I can afford that now pffft It all doesn't matter anyway because if we don't make the big turn away from oil we are going to have a big train crash. Your children have no future right now. But people will still prefer denial and that is what keeps the engine pulling the train. Don't worry be happy.

[elocs]

20. There are 2 choices and the other one is not putting back the man in power

who millions will perceive as having not fixed the economy. The ironic alternative is to put back in power the ones who first came close to destroying the economy, but there are only 2 choices here.

[Cal33]

21. Maybe Obama is obsessed with the idea of bipartisanship. Neocons joined the

so, he'd want it at any price. Obsessions are dangerous. An individual obsessed about an issue
is no longer capable of seeing clearly where that issue is concerned. His judgment about that
issue will also have flown out the window.

The Neocons have dramatically demonstrated what they really are like when they joined the
Republican Party some 40 years ago. They worked their way up the party chain of command, and
soon began to usurp the power of the Republican leadership, expelling the old leadersip in the
process. This revealed the treachery of the Neocons nature.

They also kept this so hidden that most of the Republican Party members were not even aware
of the intra-party coup. It was kept secret so that the rank and file party members would
continue voting for the Party, thinking it was their same old party. They had no idea that
the party had changed hands. The Neocons made it a point to keep the GOP name, for the
sake of the regular members' votes. The coup had to be hidden at all costs.

In answer to your question, could it have been a gratuitous stroke of good fortune for the
Neocons that Obama happened to be obsessed with the idea of bipartisanshipap. So he "put
the people back in power who destroyed the economy." And these people are continuing to work
as moles, loyal to the Neocons. Their goal being the annihilation of Obama personally, and the
total destruction of the Democratic Party.

Obama probably hasn't the slightest idea of how to deal with people with criminal psychopathic
personalities. He should have a few mental health professionals knowledgeable in psychopathy
disorders as advisers on how to deal with them. These are not normal peple. These are
dangerous sickos.

[uppityperson]

25. "because it has gotten so much worse under Obama" is what they tell me then

I have posed this question and that is the answer. Follow up: So you want to put the people back into power that set this up and take out those who are trying to help it?

"I don't believe in having all 3 branches of government in the same party's hands and if the democrats haven't been able to help things with the majority, they are incompetent."

Do you understand that anything the dems try to do, the repubs are able to block since the dems don't have a majority of 61 to 39 to get things passed?

"They have the majority and aren't doing anything so let the repubs have a chance."

And, by the way, what 3 branches of gvt are you talking about since the judicial branch is non-partisan?

"Senate, House of Reps, President. What do you mean judicial branch? There need to be checks and balances and there aren't now."

Educate, educate, educate. Patience, patience, patience. I don't know, is it worth it?

[Evasporque]

26. Becuz O'bamma is a showsholist, muslin, feriner...

And Ahmerikans dont need no gays neither.

[butterfly77]

31. I heard a repub on Ed Schultz this morning.,.

and he said he was voting for the CONS because they will bring the jobs back if they regain power..

[peekaloo]

36. I was reading the paper with "The Toady Show" on in the background

and by gosh the Republicans have learned from their previous mistakes and unlike '94 they'll actually do positive things for 'Murka this go round! They promise!

Made my stomach hurt. Badly. I think the flying monkeys were trying desperately to escape my backside.

[mmonk]

37. Because big guvmint was to blame or something like that.

Cults cannot let go of their cult beliefs. They have been mind framed. Of course, there are several Democrats that belong to their cult and hold office. They want to keep the Bush tax cuts.