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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 05:30 AM
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WikiLeaks readying the ‘biggest leak of military intelligence ever’
WikiLeaks readying the ‘biggest leak of military intelligence ever’
By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, September 12th, 2010 -- 6:44 pm

Whistleblower website WikiLeaks is teaming up with news outlets to release a "massive cache" of classified US military field reports on the conflict in Iraq, Newsweek magazine reported recently.

Newsweek quoted Iain Overton, editor of The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a London-based journalism nonprofit, as saying the material constitutes the "biggest leak of military intelligence" ever.

Newsweek said the stash of Iraq documents held by WikiLeaks is believed to be about three times as large as the number of US military field reports on Afghanistan released earlier this year by WikiLeaks.

WikiLeaks, in collaboration with The New York Times, Britain's Guardian and Der Spiegel of Germany, published 77,000 Afghan war documents in July and has said it will release another 15,000 related documents soon.

Overton told Newsweek that his organization was working with WikiLeaks and television and print media in several countries on stories and programs based on the Iraq documents.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 06:31 AM
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1. GOOD!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:17 AM
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2. We're in Afghanistan!
What a shock! Anything of real interest that is actually new info? I guess by calling it a leak some people will actually read it and learn something because it's called a leak
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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:25 AM
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4. Only time will tell
With over 90,000 documents it will take months before we know. Full transparency is in order don't you agree?

Of course nothing will be of great surprise to those of us who know already of the many war crimes committed in Haditha and Fallujah and...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:19 AM
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3. Good. Keep it up. Keep releasing. And hopefully there contained in these releases will be the
...clues to the real purpose(s) of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, which could lead to the real truth about the run-up to the war. Iraq is a festering mass of lies. Shine the light, expose the truth. And punish the perpetrators.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:31 AM
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5. Don't we already know the truth? Just look at which companies
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 07:32 AM by Cal33
were profiting from the invasion.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:19 AM
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16. We know but knowing isn't evidence. Hopefully this can be used to
bring some justice.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:14 AM
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6. Wonder how many more innocents will die this time
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:24 AM
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8. How many died last time?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:47 AM
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10. Undetermined, due to the attempts to limit the damage
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 09:03 AM by NJmaverick
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:00 AM
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12. Actually, that would be no evidence that anyone has been harmed.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-12/pentagons-wikileaks-war-room-readies-for-new-document-dump/2/

"Lapan said that, so far, the Pentagon has no evidence to suggest that any Afghan civilians have been harmed by the Taliban as a result of the release of the 76,000 logs this summer—a bit of good news that, he suggested, might be attributed to the efforts of Carr’s team and Central Command to try to protect them."

And notice the weasel words, "suggested" and "might".
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:53 AM
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11. I think the number you're looking for is: zero
The idea that the most heavily-armed and menacing army in human history is suddenly in danger because documents are released showing what was going on several years ago is ridiculous. It's just way too Bushian for me.

And if anyone really wants to keep the troops safe, I think we know how to do that, don't we?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:56 AM
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27. Right the Taliban is known for their restraint and respect for human life
I am sure they did the right thing and ignored all the helpful information provided by WikiLeaks
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:44 PM
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44. Well, Americans in general seem to be ignoring it.
I'm more concerned with what we decide to do with the new information. Will it finally give us the courage to demand an end to war?

War, by the way, has actually been proven to endanger our troops.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:16 AM
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15. How many innocents have died in our bullshit illegal wars?
Go wikileaks!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:19 AM
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17. Well over a million according to the Lancet. But you never hear about them, do you?
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 09:21 AM by glitch
edit: but if they can tie even one death to wikileaks you better believe it'll be trumpeted all over the corporate media.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:53 AM
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18. 2 wrongs don't make a right
so stop cheering for innocents getting killed.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:17 AM
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19. I'm cheering for sunlight. What are you cheering for mavericky one?
:think:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:43 AM
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22. Unlike you, I don't find anything in war that is worth cheering about
least of all the innocents killed by Wikileaks
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:45 AM
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24. Again. What innocents? Do you know something the Pentagon doesn't?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:49 AM
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25. The Pentagon knows that the names of informants should not be released
as Wikileaks has done. All that does is serve to make the informants and their families dead. So I don't know something the Pentagon doesn't, I know what the every reasoned person knows.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:03 AM
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29. The Pentagon admits that they have no evidence that anyone has been killed due to the leaks.
You keep asserting otherwise. Apparently, you are privy to facts that the Pentagon does not have.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:44 AM
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35. Word games, not having evidence does not mean something hasn't happened
and you didn't answer my question.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:34 PM
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42. LOL
:crazy:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:31 PM
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57. Yes sir, you've got that right. Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.
Hmmmm, where have I heard those words before? You are quite the font of unintentional hilarity.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:51 PM
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46. Link?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:00 PM
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49. wikileaks asked the Pentagon
to help redact the names before the documents were released. Guess what? The Pentagon REFUSED to do it. Who's fault is it then that informants were outed? Also, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that anyone has been harmed based on the most recent Afghan documents.

I'd send you the FDL link for this, but i know you won't read it...

:)

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 05:03 AM
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53. The Pentagon did NOT care about those names because the
Pentagon was asked to remove any names that might be harmed if they were exposed.

The Pentagon refused.

Did you not follow the story?

Everyone knows that the Pentagon refused to remove any names.

Everyone following the story also knows that the Pentagon said, AFTER the release, that there was nothing to worry about regarding any of those names.

Then they decided it would be a good propaganda tool to pretend that people would get killed because of Wikileaks.

But they forgot that Wikileaks already told the World that the Pentagon didn't care about those people they are now pretending to care about because if they did, they would accepted the request to remove names from the papers.

The blood is on the hands of the Pentagon if anyone dies as a result of those documents. But the Pentagon says no one has died. They have to say that because they know that THEY will be blamed if anyone does die.

So, where were YOU when all this was going on?

You are repeating, inadvertently I'm sure, rightwing talking points.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:17 AM
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30. Bullshit
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 11:19 AM by whatchamacallit
I've seen your posts defending civilian deaths (murders) at the hands of the US military. I cheer nothing about war, especially illegal, hegemonic-resource, wars.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:44 AM
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34. I don't defend murder, while you are more than willing to falsely
accuse our soldiers of such a heinous crime. Another difference
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:12 PM
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51. Anyone who doesn't know that our soldiers MURDER civilians is an idiot
who has never been an infantryman in a war.

"falsely accuse our soldiers of such a heinous crime". Really. Are you familiar with Winter Soldier, NJmaverick?

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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:11 AM
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52. shit gimmick is shit
how is this twat still around?
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:28 PM
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38. He defends all sorts of right wing policies
Don't take it personally. He's shilling for the radical right wing of the Democratic Party. At least that is the kindest way to put it.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 03:30 PM
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39. Yes, most DUers know this by now.
Take anything that poster says for granted.

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:36 AM
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21. Still no evidence that any innocents were killed.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:55 AM
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26. Are you suggesting the Taliban had too much respect for human live
so they didn't kill any of the informants or their families once WikiLeaks pointed them out?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:22 AM
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32. Are you suggesting that the Pentagon is lying?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:43 AM
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33. You're playing word games. Not having evidence is not the same as
something not happening.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:19 PM
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37. Not having evidence is not the same as something happening.
You affirm, with zero evidence, that innocents have been killed. I though liberals rejected truthiness.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:35 PM
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43. For someone who claims to love FACTS, he has yet to present any.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:51 PM
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47. Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts!
It is that performance art Fox News line between truth and truthiness.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:20 AM
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31. Way to cheer for coalition and civilian deaths...
Bravo... really... yeah.. whatever...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:45 AM
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36. I am condemning the deaths of innocents
you should stop cheering and condemn them as well.
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:15 AM
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7. I wouldn't mind seeing some of that 9/11 stuff leaked
I bet eyes would be opened...
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:41 AM
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9. Where were they during Bushco?
Oh that's right, Bush would have had him killed.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:05 AM
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13. When did Wikileaks receive these documents?
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 08:33 PM
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41. Good question...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:09 AM
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14. Where's the state department memos?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:18 AM
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20. Doesn't matter. The prosecution of war criminals is not going to happen.
Only regular criminals get prosecuted.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:44 AM
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23. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. nt
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:58 PM
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48. I see, and what did the last 92,000 documents "disinfect"
It's a lovely platitude, though.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 11:02 AM
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28. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION...
First, This is good news and I am glad he is working with multiple media sources around the world...Hopefully any innocent names will be blocked from going public.

OK...Does anyone know if all this information is from that one kid who is currently in a military prison or is all this info from multiple leaks??

I honestly hope this info is coming from multiple leaks within the US Military...Any thoughts, opinions or creditable answers with sources?
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 10:04 PM
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50. hopefully...
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 10:04 PM by USArmyParatrooper
Hopefully any innocent names and anything that can be used against Coalition forces will be redacted and....

Hopefully monkeys are going to fly out of my ass.

"I honestly hope this info is coming from multiple leaks within the US Military"

Yes, because having asshats in our ranks working against the troops is a good thing.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 10:26 AM
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55. First, I am a VERY PROUD Disabled Vet!
What I am very sick of is being lied to over and over! At some point there needs to be light shed on what is going on! I said I hoped that the proper precautions are taken to protect the innocent & troop safety.

Don't try and say I hate the troops or do not care about them...We the People have a right to know exactly where we stand in this on going war!

If you are in fact what your screen name says then I thank you for your service...But do not make the mistake that our commanders are always right & are being honest with we the people! Or have the troops up most safety in mind!

Leaks are not 100% bad or against the troops! Just saying that shows you do not know what history says about leaks! Leaks can be what saves the lives of our brave young men & women on the ground in a long drawn out war with no true objective in mind!
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:25 PM
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56. You have to look at what we're really talking about
We're not talking about specific leaks about specific, ground breaking incidences. There is no deep throat scenario here. We're talking about the carte blanche release of ALL classified documents they can get their hands on. Everyone here is cheering "woohoo! more documents" without knowing or even caring about what they contain.

And yes, I hope Private Manning spends the rest of his life living in a concrete box with a metal toilet.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 07:41 PM
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40. Great....since
our Press is benign.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:46 PM
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45. Interesting
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 05:49 AM
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54. Hmmm, I wonder where all those Oh so concerned DUers
are who were so afraid of reprisals on US citizens abroad when 1 nut case in rednecksville was threatening to burn a Koran??
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