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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 12:20 PM
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Guardian UK: Sex and death lie at the poisoned heart of religion
Sex and death lie at the poisoned heart of religion
Why invite the pope on a state visit – at a cost of millions in a time of cutbacks – when the vast majority are secular?

Polly Toynbee
The Guardian, Tuesday 14 September 2010


A dispute with BBC TV's religious slot, Sunday Morning Live: would I join a debate on the pope? As president of the British Humanist Association, I was glad to – but there was a problem. Discussion was divided into a first debate on whether Catholicism was over-obsessed with sex, but I was to join a second: is the Catholic church a force for good? How could you answer that without saying that sex lies at the poisoned heart of all that is wrong with just about every major faith?

Repression of sex, banning contraception, gay rights, abortion, stem-cell research and IVF treatment cause untold misery. Not to the "liberal" Catholics who proclaim for reform and use contraception themselves – as Cherie Blair so distastefully revealed – yet support a church whose denial of it damages and kills poor mothers with no choice. As Ben Goldacre pointed out in this paper on Saturday, while this pope claims condoms "aggravate the problem" of HIV/Aids, two million die a year. Ann Widdecombe's riposte that the Catholic church runs more Aids clinics than any single nation was like suggesting the Spanish Inquisition ran the best rehab clinics for torture victims.

Women's bodies are the common battleground, symbols of all religions' authority and identity. Cover them up with veil or burka, keep them from the altar, shave their heads, give them ritual baths, church them, make them walk a step behind, subject them to men's authority, keep priests celibately free of women, unclean and unworthy. Eve is the cause of all temptation in Abrahamic faiths. Only by suppressing women can priests and imams hold down the power of sex, the flesh and the devil. The Church of England is on the point of schism over gay priests, women bishops and African homophobia. The secular world looks on in utter perplexity.

Trying to deny the primal life force has led to centuries of persecution, suffering, secrecy and breathtaking hypocrisy. Wherever male cultural leaders hold absolute and unscrutinised power, women and children will be abused. In western secular life this has at last been recognised: in schools, prisons, care homes and within families, wherever the powerless are unseen and unheard, horrors will happen without checks and transparency. Abusers gravitate towards closed organisations, and absolute power turns people into abusers. But the Vatican still talks of a few bad apples requiring internal discipline, the pope refusing to hand rapists over to secular law. Imams, gurus, priests, all hold sway over the vulnerable. As secretive madrasas and new religious "free" schools multiply while officials nervously respect their cultural independence, expect more abuse as bad as the Belgian Catholic cases now emerging. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/14/sex-death-poisoned-heart-religion




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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 12:22 PM
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1. "Women's bodies are the common battleground, symbols of all religions' authority and identity."
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 12:29 PM
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2. Highly recommended!!!
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Women's bodies are the common battleground, symbols of all religions' authority and identity. Cover them up with veil or burqa, keep them from the altar, shave their heads, give them ritual baths, church them, make them walk a step behind, subject them to men's authority, keep priests celibately free of women, unclean and unworthy. Eve is the cause of all temptation in Abrahamic faiths. Only by suppressing women can priests and imams hold down the power of sex, the flesh and the devil. The Church of England is on the point of schism over gay priests, women bishops and African homophobia. The secular world looks on in utter perplexity.

Trying to deny the primal life force has led to centuries of persecution, suffering, secrecy and breathtaking hypocrisy. Wherever male cultural leaders hold absolute and unscrutinised power, women and children will be abused. In western secular life this has at last been recognised: in schools, prisons, care homes and within families, wherever the powerless are unseen and unheard, horrors will happen without checks and transparency. Abusers gravitate towards closed organisations, and absolute power turns people into abusers.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 12:53 PM
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3. Leave it up to the British to hit the nail on the head.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:16 PM
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4. Polly Toynbee seems to think in broadbrush slurs
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:18 PM
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6. Perhaps. Good thing her writing is spot-on coherent and pointed!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 02:17 PM
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5. ...absolute power turns people into abusers.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-10 09:59 PM
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7. only 19 hits
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