Electron Switch Between Molecules Points Way to New High-Powered Organic Batteries

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100915100938.htm




ScienceDaily (Sep. 16, 2010) — The development of new organic batteries -- lightweight energy storage devices that work without the need for toxic heavy metals -- has a brighter future now that chemists have discovered a new way to pass electrons back and forth between two molecules.

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1. +1 for science.

What's the score now? I know the pseudoscientists are stuck at zero, but I've lost count of the score for real scientists.

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2. So what's your schtick exactly?? It truly is impossible to inflate

oneself by constantly denigrating people who truly are light years ahead of you when it comes to understanding science, magnetism, plasma physics and cosmology.



http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm



On Mars, deep channels, ripples and other structures are thought to be the remains of water flowing on the surface, eroding it in the same way as water is believed to erode our planet. It has been proposed that there were oceans of water millions of years ago, so chemicals that form on Earth in the presence of water are presumed to have formed on Mars in the same fashion. Despite the contradictory evidence of mineral deposits that would be destroyed by water, such as olivine, the flowing water hypothesis continues to guide theories of Martian geology.

It has been suggested many times in these pages that electric arcs could have sculpted what we see on Mars. Valles Marineris, Olympus Mons, the vast 900 kilometer crater in Argyre Planitia, the terraced mounds in Arabia Terra, as well as both Martian poles demonstrate strong support for the electric discharge theory.

In other articles, we concluded that the same powerful electric discharges on Mars could have transmuted silicon into iron and reformed silicon dioxide rock layers into the vast fields of hematite spherules that litter the landscape.

Because electric arcs are capable of such transmutation effects, it has also been suggested that Jupiter's electrically active moon, Io, has experienced the transmutation of oxygen from water ice into sulfur, resulting in the gigantic sulfur "volcanoes" that mar its surface. In reality, according to Electric Universe advocates, the "volcanoes" on Io are the touchdown points where the plasmasphere of Jupiter completes its electrical circuit with its moon.

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6. I've never denigrated anybody who's light years ahead of me.

Or anybody who understands magnetism, science, plasma physics, or cosmology, for that matter.

Lightning transmuting silicon into iron?

Perfect example.

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12. I'll see your perfect example and raise you one:

http://books.google.com/books?id=LFpf7VPhCYkC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=alchemy+silicon+into+iron&source=bl&ots=_LR0JgTQ5S&sig=ZfOgQPto6mQTmuIxx4x0UJF9IJI&hl=en&ei=efOTTJKnAYS0lQe-hd2nCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=alchemy%20silicon%20into%20iron&f=false


>>But what is a star? An artisan, a bee, a forge, a physical system that operates at very high pressures? In the general economy of the Universe, stars play the role of conscientious craftsmen. They are the site of nuclear alchemy. Matter partly dematerializes to make light, whilst the simple complexifies: hydrogen transmutes into helium, helium into carbon and oxygen, oxygen into silicon, and silicon into iron.<<

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13. Yes, but you see, that's nuclear fusion.

The sun is not a big ball of lightning.

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14. Again..... you are uaware of the CNO cycle at or near the surface

of the sun, to refresh your memory it is a FUSION reaction.

Then there's this but you won't understand what you are looking at.

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15. Actually, I am aware of nuclear fusion in the sun.

(fusion occurs in the core, btw)

Yet it's still not lightning.

I'm amused at your inability to keep your own pseudoscience straight.

A few weeks ago, you were claiming that the atmosphere of Mars wasn't thick enough to hold a dust cloud, now it's thick enough to create magic fusion lightning.

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16. Magic fusion lightning........ I sort of like that, may I use it in future

pseudoscientific posts?? Please please please may I??? Why here is some of that magic fusion lightning now, the kind you say doesn't exist, how strange is that??



For the first time, direct evidence of lightning has been detected on Mars, say University of Michigan researchers who found signs of electrical discharges during dust storms on the Red Planet.



>>Data from the Viking landers raised the possibility that Martian dust storms might be electrically active like Earth's thunderstorms and thus, might be a source of reactive chemistry. But the hypothesis was untestable. In 2006, using theoretical modeling, laboratory experiments and field studies on Earth, a group of planetary scientists suggested that there was no direct evidence that lightning occurred on Mars. This new research refutes those findings.
"Mars continues to amaze us. Every new look at the planet gives us new insights," said Michael Sanders, manager of the exploration systems and technology office at Jet Propulsion Laboratory and a researchers involved in this study.<<

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17. "found signs of electrical discharges during dust storms"

But you were just saying that there no dust storms on mars.

You see, I wasn't claiming there was no lightning on mars, I'm just saying there's no magic lightning that transmutes oxygen into iron. On Mars.

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7. Light years ahead

In going the wrong way, out into quacksville. It's funny that he didn't name what as far as pseudo science, but you took offense.

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8. I like the bit about water destroying olivine.

I guess the thunderdolts weren't just content to screw up astronomy, physics, and chemistry, they had to fuck up geology too.

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18. Eh.... water doesn't destroy olivine... in your universe perhaps.

I don't like to think of people as twitlike... but sometimes it is a difficult thing to avoid.


http://www.astrobio.net/pressrelease/795/little-green-martian-mineral

Olivine is significant because it decomposes rapidly in the presence of water. Finding olivine on the surface may therefore be a good indicator of a dry Martian surface. Olivine, a transparent green-colored mineral found in many volcanic regions, is susceptible to chemical weathering and readily alters to other minerals such as iddingsite, goethite, serpentine, chlorite, smectite, maghemite and hematite in the presence of water. Except for trace amounts of hematite, which gives Mars its red color, none of these other weathering products have been found. The olivine occurs in many eroded areas, for example in canyons, so was emplaced when many of the erosional events occurred on Mars.

See gallery of Spirit's Sol images and slideshow

About three percent of the martian surface mapped so far by the Mars Global Surveyor contains abundant olivine, and another three percent contains coarse-grained hematite, consistent with Mars' red color. The fact that so much olivine is exposed at the surface indicates that there has been little to no weathering due to water, thus no liquid water-mineral chemical reactions. The age of the surface is somewhat uncertain but is probably over 3 billion years old.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/3E12rgb_HiRISE2888_warp_1m_cropped_strat.html




The color coding on this composite image of an area about 3 kilometers (2 miles) across on Mars is based on infrared spectral information interpreted as evidence of various minerals present. Carbonate (green) and olivine-bearing rocks (yellow) occupy the same level in the stratigraphy, and it is thought that the carbonate formed by involvement of water in altering olivine-bearing rocks.

The scene is eroded terrain in the Nili Fossae region of northern Mars. Beneath a rough-textured capping rock unit (purple) lie banded olivine-bearing layers (yellow), which in some places have been partially or wholly altered to carbonate (green). Beneath the olivine-and-carbonate unit are rocks with iron-magnesium smectite clays (light blue). Olivine is also found in sand dunes (near bottom right corner, for example), and it probably eroded from the nearby rocks.

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20. Here's a picture of olivine and water.

Note the olivine. Note the water.

Now there is erosion, for sure. But the presence of olivine does not preclude the existence of water. Cause look, there's both of them. Together.

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21. ...

See gallery of Spirit's Sol images and slideshow

About three percent of the martian surface mapped so far by the Mars Global Surveyor contains abundant olivine, and another three percent contains coarse-grained hematite, consistent with Mars' red color. The fact that so much olivine is exposed at the surface indicates that there has been little to no weathering due to water, thus no liquid water-mineral chemical reactions. The age of the surface is somewhat uncertain but is probably over 3 billion years old.

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22. HD, oliving is one of the most common minerals on the surface of the earth.

Despite 4.5 billion years of plenty of weathering due to water.

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23. So now you know more than nasa.... play on. n/t

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24. I know more than your misinterpretation of NASA.

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25. Now that you have performed an epic fail, standing in the corner

might be an option.

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28. Is that what you think I've done?

Because you were the one posting about magic lightning caused by dust storms that don't exist which transmutes water into iron on a planet that never had water because it has olivine.

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10. Bump.

So the morning crowd can see this goofy shit.

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11. bump again.

Good stuff.

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26. These posts are always good for a chuckle...

Thanks for kicking.

Sid

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19. Bump so the morning crowd can see you claim that water

doesn't affect olivine, not only can't you see the invisible magnetic ropes connecting planets with the sun and moons with planets you can't see basic chemistry truths... how sad is that, tsk tsk tsk.

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27. Your epic failure posts are some of thefunniest things on DU.

Thank you for them!

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29. "not only can't you see the invisible magnetic ropes"

>can't see
>invisible

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30. Invisibility is highly overrated. n/t

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31. So these are visible invisible magic ropes?

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33. The ropes that connect to the earth every 8 minutes are indeed

invisible to the naked eye, however the Themis satellites have honed in on them with their snazzy night vision thingy... the ones between Jupiter and Io are difficult to see as well but soothsayers, charlatans, magicians and racketeers say they believe they are there.... who am I to argue with them?

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3. Kick for awesome news.

I can't wait to get a laptop battery that lasts for more than 2-3 hours.

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4. Nano Technology is going to save us and the planet.

Even with the small chance of going grey goo it has too much potential.

http://metamodern.com/2009/09/26/mit-dissertation-nanosystems-draft-now-online/

Basically, this guy has proposed a way that you can make self-replicating nanobots that can then assemble anything you want, like these batteries.

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9. Solar cells have been around since the 60's

At least.

Expect nano technology in 2060, if we're still here.

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5. Cool!!!!

:applause:

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32. Hey, if they can pull this off, I'm all for it

The Babylonians were able to produce very crude batteries three thousand years ago using copper and lemon juice. Surely we can produce a more high-tech yet organic version today.