Military coup d'etat. If you think it can't happen here... it already did.

[Unperson]

I'm reading "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford, I highly recommend everybody read this book. In the third or forth chapter Bamford addresses the issue of Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Lyman Lemnitzer. This guy was a "superpatriot",I use that term begrudgingly because General Lemnitzer was actually a supertraitor. Lemnitzer was the force behind "Operation Northwoods" which was approved by Eisenhower in the final days of his administration. Northwoods called for several terrorist acts to be performed by the U.S. covert ops community. The "terrorist acts" would then be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for a full-scale invasion of Cuba.

I really think these guys iced Kennedy. Reading this book, reveals a lot about the deep politics at the time. The military in the fifties during the Eisenhower administration was full of these "superpatriots", ultra right-wing conservatives who would do anything, anything to stamp communism. In their minds Castro was mocking them. They actively promoted right wing republican candidates within the military, an act that is illegal. They loved Eisenhower because he was "one of their boys". They hated and feared Kennedy. Bamford describes the scene of Kennedy's inauguration as a "military takeover" of D.C. on that day, both literally in the short term, Lemnitzer coming down off his perch at Quarters 1 at Fort Myers, soldiers performing snow removal duties, and Pershing missiles lining up for the inauguration parade and figuratively in the sense that Lemnitzer and his Pentagon cronies were a force to be reckoned with who would not take a "no" in regards to a full scale invasion of Cuba.

This same climate was the inspiration for the book "Seven Days in May" a fictional account of a bunch of Generals who undertake a military coup in D.C. from their command bunker at Mouth Weather(Mount Thunder in the book)

So Kennedy fires Lemnitzer in response to the Northwoods documents, fires Allen Dulles DCI for the Bay of Pigs fiasco and several other as Oliver Stone puts it, "intel sacred cows". I believe it was this climate that allowed the assassination of Kennedy in the form of a crypto coup. The next day after Kennedy is shot, the Vietnam war escalates.

I also think that Bamford in uncovering the Northwoods documents from the National Archives has come to the conclusion that this same cabal was capable of implementing another cryptocoup, 9/11. As revealed in the title of another of Bamfords books, "A pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies." Bamford doesn't come out directly as MIHOP or LIHOP because I believe he can't, the MSM would try to completely discredit him.

[havocmom]

1. More like a Military Industrial Complex coup d'etat

Follow the $$

[Virginia Dare]

2. Interesting information...

I'm fully convinced that the assassination of JFK was the beginning of the undoing of our Democracy.

[rman]

3. It's a slow and gradual process;

it began before JFK. For instance, Northwoods is pre-JFK.
JFK ran into some of what had already been put into place, didn't like it and tried to counter it. Also, he underestimated it.

[Unperson]

5. I wonder how they pass the baton and recruit.

Bamford kind of puts it like they were all on the same page, so nothing need be said.

[Selatius]

9. It takes a while, but people with the same kind of ideology "find" each other

The problem is making the connections, but once that's been done, it doesn't take long to synchronize because the foundational philosophy is roughly the same.

[GliderGuider]

15. P. D. Scott makes the same point about "deep politics"

It's not a classic conspiracy, with meetings in back rooms and agreements to commit criminal acts. Rather, it's a convergence of interests - people recognize each other as having the same goals and motivations, and simply do what needs doing, with not a word being said. Their acts are mutually reinforcing because they share the same objectives. That makes the "Deep Political" core of the enterprise virtually unstoppable, and certainly unprosecutable.

[redqueen]

4. Not completely, no.

Yes, the MIE is strong... stronger now that bu$hco is holding the reins of power.

However, they do not rule outright. We still have some power... if only more of us would choose to use it.

[AndyTiedye]

12. What Power?

We still have some power... if only more of us would choose to use it.

We were able to elect a Democratic Congress, but does Congress have any power anymore?
That remains to be seen.

[redqueen]

16. Of course they do.

It might not be immediately apparent, but it is still there.

[AndyTiedye]

17. You Are Forgetting Something

and if that isn't enough:

[redqueen]

18. No, I have not forgotten.

However, as things get worse, and more people see what our country is being turned into by these greedy people, do you not expect that more will stand up?

It is worth hoping for, and working towards, at least.

[leveymg]

6. Things have moved so far to the Right, that military is only institution that can

push back and say "No", with real effect, to The Decider.

If it hadn't been for the firm resistance of some Members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and their staff -- along with intelligence people -- during the last three years, we'd be breathing radioactive soot from what used to be Iran.

[Parche]

7. operation northwoods

Yes, I have a copy of the documents

It is chilling

And I know that 9/11 was a copy of that operation


The truth will come out soon...........

[Unperson]

8. Funny, I know some people would explain, Nortwoods off as conspiracy theory.

Even though the docs sit at the National Archives. Those people are in denial or just plain stupid.

[Parche]

10. conspiracy

Exactly, facts are not conspiracies

People dont realize that, or dont want to know the truth, thinking that their Government
would never do something like this............

[Unperson]

11. Facts are not "theories"

Conspiracies happen all the time it's the "theory" part where they try to label people as "loons". They have destroyed any possibility for intelligent debate on the true workings of government.

[Marnieworld]

14. "They have destroyed..."

Well that is the point isn't it? To stop debate or discussion about the very real criminal conspiracies. Not accidental. Bamford has a good OP-ed in the NYT today. I didn't know the rest of his background and the Northwoods part of it. Thanks.

[JacksonWest]

22. Northwoods was real. The JFK assasination is the conspiracy theory.

Do people really doubt the northwoods exsistence? That's verifiable-easily verifiable. I don't think they killed JFK...but you never know.

[windbreeze]

19. agree 100%...

a blueprint for disaster is Northwoods was...
windbeeze

[nam78_two]

13. kick

:kick:

[rinsd]

20. Its amazing how tinfoil mind works

Every supposition relies on another supposition which relies on yet another supposition.

The proverbial house of cards.

[JacksonWest]

21. I hate coup d'etats. They are so noisy.

Anyway, interesting stuff. I still think Castro was behind the assassination, Every President knows it, and that explains why they are the only country that we have had a consistent and unwavering foreign policy with for the last forty five years. Even Carter and Clinton didn't do anything to ease restrictions or bridge the hostilities. I honestly believe Castro was directly responsible for JFK's death, and it's been ruled "too embarrassing" to let the public know that a piss-ant dictator took out a sitting President.

[pinto]

23. Locking.

Original poster is no longer with us. Thanks.