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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:22 AM
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Mosque near Ground Zero story kept alive by propaganda rag
Mosque man blinks
GZ imam: I'll let feds OK funders


By PERRY CHIARAMONTE and HELEN FREUND


The religious leader behind the proposed mosque near Ground Zero promised yesterday to allow the US government to sign off on anyone who donates to the $100 million project.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told "60 Minutes" that to reduce fears that terror organizations would contribute to the project, he'll ask US officials to approve the sources of funding. Rauf added that the mosque and Islamic cultural center will have a board of directors that will include Muslims, Christians and Jews.

The olive branch from Rauf came as another proposed mosque in the city -- this one in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn -- became embroiled in controversy yesterday with dozens of protesters waving anti-Islamic signs at the site.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/mosque_man_blinks_r8bWo4WSbhRwau1fZz5DLN#ixzz10j5MQV7I

I monitor several news sources to post articles that are interesting for my friends at DU. The New York Post is the only source keeping the mosque near Ground Zero alive. They post articles like this one on page one almost daily. These stories are designed to remind ill-informed readers of 9/11 and stir up religious tension. The Post appears to want a religious war between Christians and Muslims.
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:29 AM
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1. The worship centre already exists in the building on this site
and has for some time after being relocated from another area. The only thing in dispute is about the community centre component.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:39 AM
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3. thanks for the information. I've learned a lot from people like you
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icnorth Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:09 AM
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8. Thank you J.G. and here's a link
which I didn't include above...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check

FACT CHECK: Islam already lives near ground zero

...The center's location, in a former Burlington Coat Factory store, is already used by the cleric for worship, drawing a spillover from the imam's former main place for prayers, the al-Farah mosque. That mosque, at 245 West Broadway, is about a dozen blocks north of the World Trade Center grounds.

Another, the Manhattan Mosque, stands five blocks from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site.
To be sure, the center's association with 9/11 is intentional and its location is no geographic coincidence. The building was damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks and the center's planners say they want the center to stand as a statement against terrorism...

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:20 AM
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9. thanks
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:30 PM
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13. THANK YOU! "the center's location...is already used by the cleric for worship"
Thank you for continuing to post this information.

Waiting for the few Duers who oppose this to chime in.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:30 PM
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14. delete dupe, "this page not available" message
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 12:30 PM by uppityperson
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:49 AM
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4. If Muslims have a swimming pool, we'll all end up living under Sharia Law! n/t
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:29 AM
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2. They probably do.
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 06:36 AM by RandomThoughts
Wars between the common folk based on religion or race, is a common ploy of bad. Get people to fight so that they don't stop and find the real war, and the real enemy.

When you fight with hate violence and meanness, you don't fight the enemy you join it.


Most wars, racism, and military conflicts are to burn up conscious and feeling. And when done for no reason, it allows the guilt attack later to be even more effective.


So yea the real war is those that want people to fight and not feel and care, versus those that want to share kindness.

bad makes bad, good makes good, so getting people to fight can make more people without feeling or caring. And honestly the shouting of antiwar movements is the same bad side if with anger, and that is a difficult thing, so should be focused passion, and not anger back at some group, or it is still joining the side you think you fight. Most anti war groups are not angry types.


So fight with humor and caring compassion, and equal justice, And against the idea of fighting itself, and the bad side will try to make it look like you want to fight with violence or hate, but most of that is by the way the people see the stuff from their own minds.


I figure the reason I lost social and economic life, is I would not agree to fight, and would not be mean to someone because some idiot told me I should. Then when that did not get me to fight, was kicked around some more. Still I won't be angry or hateful if I can help it, and that is probably why some have not corrected issue on beer and travel money. I am not going to be mean to get paid money, or even keep material money.

So would I go and be mean or hateful to them? of coarse not and so they try to taunt by various methods. I will try to be nice when I can, joke around, and explain what I think where I can. If they don't like it, what are they going to do.

What they are going to do is correct the issue and send the material money for beer and travel and many good experiences, that is what they are going to do.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:58 AM
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5. The Post is a screamsheet
The entire point of The NY Post is to make people angry that the world isn't a 1950's sitcom.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:38 AM
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6. The entire controversy was conceived, delivered and nursed by propaganda rags...
of the print, as well as the broadcast types...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:09 PM
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10. A recent DU post compared the New York Post to Fox news...
It was a fair comparison. It's like a print version of Fox news
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:25 PM
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12. The New York Post is not "like" a print version...
...of Fox News, it IS a print version of Fox News.
They are both owned by News Corp.
See below..
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:43 AM
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7. No. Wrong. It is all simply to generate profits.
And controversy generates profits.

The New York Post is owned by News Corp.
As is Fox News, which really got this controversy going, after not initially caring.
Imam Rauf's book, "What's Right with Islam..." was published by HarperCollins.
HarperCollins is owned by... News Corp.
The Imam's benefactor, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud, owns 7% of News Corp.

We are being played for suckers, in order to sell more books and newspapers and TV advertising time.
And we are ALL suckers, on both "sides."
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:02 PM
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18. thanks, that was VERY informative
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:15 PM
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11. Reading stories like this reminds me of the following
Jack Benny during WW2 did this Public Service Announcement on Tolerance. He hit it on the head and strangely the very ones he spoke against those decades ago, now are these hate merchants. Here is the 30 second PSA http://otrshowcase.podbean.com/
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:37 PM
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15. Dozens of protesters, from the nearly 20 million in the NY metropolitan area!
One person out of every 200000 is really really really upset by this!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:37 PM
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16. K & R
:thumbsup:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:52 PM
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17. The Post's lead is not even news
The Imam has been saying for many months that funding sources would be vetted by the feds before funds are accepted. This is not a new 'olive branch.'

The only 'news' is that 60 Minutes aired a report--which basically was a review of developments to date. Airing of old information in a new edition of 60 minutes does not justify treating that information as news.
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