Just Encase you thought Global Warming was a Hoax...

[Captain Boomerang]

I've never watched Al Gore's flick about Global Warming, but I don't think I need too to grasp the concept of ecology. If you defecate in your drinking water, you will eventually reap the rewards of such mindless inconsiderate actions.


Extinction of Animals Due to Global Warming:
Scientists estimate that around 70 species of frogs have been wiped off the planet due to climate change. This is just the tip of the iceberg considering that approximately 100 to 200 species of animals, including penguins and polar bears, have become more vulnerable to extinction, owing to this increase in global temperature. Extinction of animals due to global warming is a serious issue, which is just going to get more serious with time.

Index of Extinct Animals in the Last 100 Years
Arabian Ostrich
Atitlan Grebe
Bali Tiger
Barbary Lion
Bubal Hartebeest
Bushwren
Canarian Black Oystercatcher
Cape Verde Giant Skink
Caribbean Monk Seal
Carolina Parakeet
Caspian Tiger
Caucasian Wisent
Colombian Grebe
Crescent Nail-tail Wallaby
Golden Toad
Grand Cayman Thrush
Guam Flying Fox
Hawai'i 'O'o
Heath Hen
Japanese Sea Lion
Javan Tiger
Kaua'i 'O'o
Laughing Owl
Laysan Rail
Little Swan Island Hutia
Palestinian Painted Frog
Paradise Parrot
Passenger Pigeon
Pyrenean Ibex
Roque Chico de Salmor Giant Lizard
Round Island Burrowing Boa
Ryukyu Wood-pigeon
Santo Stefano Lizard
Schomburgk's Deer
South Island Piopio
Tasmanian Wolf
Thicktail Chub
Toolache Wallaby
Western Black Rhinoceros
Wake Island Rail

(Appropriated from)
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html

(Maybe someone can use this in their arsenal later.)

[Name removed]

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[Obamanaut]

2. It is true that some creatures/birds/beasts etc become extinct, but it

is not necessarily the fault of climate change. I searched one at random, the Wake Island Rail, and found that it was pretty much eaten up. I can imagine that others have become extinct for various reasons, but it seems somehow unreasonable to place all extinctions at the feet of climate change.

The Wake Island Rail became a victim of World War II. It was hunted and eaten to extinction after the Japanese forces who occupied this island in 1941 became cut off from the supply route in 1944. Because of its flightlessness and curiosity it was easy for just two men to catch them barehanded. The last rail was killed in 1945 by the starving soldiers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Island_Rail

And there is this <snip> disappeared after hunting by starving wartime Japanese garrison; probably also declined because of introduced cats, rats, rabbits, and mice
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/heywood/geog358/extinctb/WakeRail.htm

edited to add this re 'caucasian wisent'

Extinction Causes The period of World War I, the Russian Revolution of 1917, civil war episodes and heavy poaching became directly responsible for the complete liquidation of Caucasian bison. An increased population of the Caucasian region by Russian settlers, habitat degradation and fragmentation because of agricultural activity and forest loggings, have also contributed.

That's two of the list. Yes there is climate change. Yes there is a list of extinct species. No, one did not necessarily cause the other.

[Captain Boomerang]

3. Okay, how about this one... Dinosaurs.

[slackmaster]

4. Fake animal parts placed on Earth by Satan to delude Man

:hi:

[Captain Boomerang]

5. Damn you Charles Koch, you have to stop posting here.

[Obamanaut]

6. Not on the 'last 100 year list' in the OP. One might get the idea that

the OP is suggesting that members of that list are now extinct because of climate change.

There are two things going on here. There is evidence of climate change. There is a list of extinct creatures. The first one did not cause the untimely demise of the members of the extinct list.

Cows eat grass. My cousin Bob eats grass. Bob must be a cow.

[Captain Boomerang]

9. In the last 100 years...

I think we can attribute most to climate change...

Lack of habitat
six packs
over hunting
casual oil spills
Industrial revolution
masturbation and witchcraft
and Socrates.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. global warming did not kill the passenger pigeon.

Or many (if not any) of the species on your list.

I have no idea where you're going with any of this.

[Captain Boomerang]

16. But YES it is EXTINCT.

Here you go Gunga Din!


Three sources for ya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon

http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/passpigeon.htm

http://www.passengerpigeon.org/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. No shit.

What's your point?

[Obamanaut]

24. Neither does the OP. nt

[COLGATE4]

34. No, but it's possible that masturbation did.

[Obamanaut]

27. Self delete. nt

[ProdigalJunkMail]

7. the Holocene Extinction began about 10,000 years ago...

make of that what you will. upper bound estimating currently suggests as many as 140,000 species per year go extinct...

sP

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

8. I don't think most opponets of GW think it's a hoax

more so than most opponets actually are dismissing the notion that GW is primarily driven (and can be slowed/stopped) by human activity/intervention.

Sure... SOME do think it's a hoax but that's silly as climate change data is numerical data. It's either happening or it isn't. But those that just claim that it's flat out nonexistent are likely a small vocal minority.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. They have a set of pat responses that they continually cycle through:

It's a hoax

It's real, but there's nothing we can do about it

It's real, but doing something about it would be too expensive

The jury is still out

We need to do more studies

We don't know if it will be bad

Scientists sometimes lie

Can't talk now, I need to go deposit my check from the petroleum industry



rinse. repeat.

[Captain Boomerang]

13. Nice... So maybe it is, "diversionary activism?"

Or Glenn Becking trolls...
I seem to have noticed this in other places (Forums, writings, media...)

[Warren DeMontague]

14. It's just sort of, keep the ball in the air, avoid actually doing anything.

Unfortunately, it works.

[Captain Boomerang]

17. How do you change it?

Hold the ball or refuse to throw it back... Or send the ball back with an anvil?

[Warren DeMontague]

30. You need political courage to actually do something, and people who can explain how science works

on the airwaves.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of gibberish and intellectual laziness out there; on Bill Maher the other night, Seth McFarlane made an excellent point; backed up by Ann Duryan- that for an example of the greenhouse effect, we need look no further than Venus.

One of the conservative panelists went- aha! So it's a natural process, how can you blame humans? There are no humans on Venus.

See, that's just fucking stupidity, and unfortunately Bill Maher changed the subject before that idiotic line could be properly shredded. But that's what passes for "logic"; it's the same "logic" that allows Christine O'Donnell to say "if people evolved from apes, how come there are still apes?" ... It's just a total misunderstanding of the basics of the science.

So in short, how do you change it? I don't know. Honestly I think the only realistic solution to this problem is for humans to come up with better ways to power our shit. That's the only answer.

[Captain Boomerang]

11. I think that it is a political thing...

and it is nice to shove the stuff stuff right back at em. (Or them for Lumberjack.)

[Codeine]

15. That's a stupid list.

Many (perhaps most) of the animals on that list are extinct for reasons that have nothing to do with human-caused climate change.

[Captain Boomerang]

18. Example please.

[Codeine]

19. Someone else already mentioned the passenger pigeon

the atitlan grebe was wiped out by introduced game fish and an earthquake-caused lake drain.

The Bali tiger was hunted to near-extinction and finished off with habitat loss.

The Barbary lion was hunted to extinction.

European hunters wiped out the Bubal hartebeest.

Cats, rats, and over-hunting of prey animals took out the Canarian Black Oystercatcher.

I'm positive that if I continue down the list I'll continue to disprove your claims.

[Obamanaut]

25. Rerun from post 2

The Wake Island Rail became a victim of World War II. It was hunted and eaten to extinction after the Japanese forces who occupied this island in 1941 became cut off from the supply route in 1944. Because of its flightlessness and curiosity it was easy for just two men to catch them barehanded. The last rail was killed in 1945 by the starving soldiers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Island_Rail

And there is this <snip> disappeared after hunting by starving wartime Japanese garrison; probably also declined because of introduced cats, rats, rabbits, and mice
http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/heywood/geog358/extinct...

edited to add this re 'caucasian wisent'

Extinction Causes The period of World War I, the Russian Revolution of 1917, civil war episodes and heavy poaching became directly responsible for the complete liquidation of Caucasian bison. An increased population of the Caucasian region by Russian settlers, habitat degradation and fragmentation because of agricultural activity and forest loggings, have also contributed.

If they are all consumed by hungry folks, their disappearance cannot be blamed on global warming.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

20. you forgot the Dodo Bird and Tasmanian Tiger

[deaniac21]

21. 99% of all species that have existed on earth are extinct.

[flvegan]

22. Um...humans hunted the Western Black Rhino to extinction.

Humans...faster than global warming.

[yella_dawg]

26. "In Case" two words.

You'd be amazed at what such trivia does for credibility.

[Obamanaut]

29. An edit was suggested early in the thread, when there was still time.

My best guess that what with trying to tie in a bunch of extinct creatures (many of which were hunted/eaten into extinction) to climate change, there was no interest in credibility.

[pintobean]

32. Check your user name.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. You're suggesting the OP purposefully misspelled "in case" twice?

Perhaps for the purpose of implying some sort of regional accent?

[pintobean]

36. Yes, that's egg zackly what I'm suggesting.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Which accent?

[Go2Peace]

28. It's amazing that environmental science would be controversial here

Though I am not sure how accurate this particular list is, it is bad news for our country generally when even "centrists" are anti-intellectual reactionaries, and liberals tie their science to personality ideology.

[Codeine]

31. The list is wholly bullshit. It is void of "environmental science."

There are no climate change deniers in this thread, only people who realize the the list in question has no relation to climate change. Look up five random animals from that list and see when and why they disappeared; it is nearly always a case of habitat loss and overhunting for the larger fauna and introduced predation combined with habitat loss for the smaller animals.

[Swamp Rat]

35. This thread does not help

:thumbsdown:

[Obamanaut]

38. Interestingly, the link in the OP lists the reasons for the extinctions

of the entries in that list.

Not surprisingly, the article linked lists all sorts of reasons for the various extinctions, but global warming or climate change is not the biggy.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. eggcorns

Eggcorn: In linguistics, an eggcorn is an idiosyncratic substitution of a word or phrase for a word or words that sound similar or identical in the speaker's dialect.

Just encase that in your word repository.