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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:36 PM
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Today's inevitable corporate media attack on Venezuelan democracy...
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 01:43 PM by JackRiddler
To those who follow the corporate media's daily practice of assaulting the Venezuelan people for freely choosing the wrong leaders (in a half-dozen elections since 1998), it was fully expected that they would come up with some means of discrediting yesterday's election results (which yielded the expected victory for the Chavez party).

One of today's corporate media attacks was predictable. They would hail the large gains for the opposition. Never mind that this was inevitable, because the opposition had boycotted the last election and thus were guaranteed to make gains by contesting the current one.

Otherwise, we are treated to the claim that "the opposition" received 52 percent of the votes cast, although the Chavez party won more than 60 percent of the seats in parliament.

First of all, this claim comes from leaders of the anti-Chavez parties themselves, and is based on incomplete results, mainly from their strongholds. It remains to be seen just what the final results will be.

Second, this math ignores that one of the parties they are lumping in with "the opposition" is actually to the LEFT of Chavez, and broke off from Chavez's party because they wanted a more committed program of change. They received 7 to 10 percent of the vote.

Third, even if the total number of votes for parties other than Chavez's turns out to be a majority, it should be noted that like the United States, Venezuela has a single winner in each district. Unlike the US, Venezuela has more than two parties. That means the biggest party wins in each district, even if they don't get a majority.

Consider this example: In all the reporting on European elections, the corporate media always report something like, "Christian Democrats triumph in Germany," even though the CDU never gets an absolute majority. This is because there are many parties in Germany, but the one with the most votes (almost always) gets to form the government. They win the election, even if they didn't win a majority of seats outright, and the fact that they didn't get a majority plays no role in news coverage. (I would argue that it should; at least that the numbers should always be given prominently.)

The same thing just happened in Venezuela -- the winning party didn't get a majority of all votes. This is the case in most other elections in the world.

It may happen in the 2010 elections in the US -- i.e., if you add up all votes in all districts, one party may come out ahead and yet lose most of the district-by-district elections.

Each district vote will yield only one representative, regardless of whether the result is a landslide or a close shave. Turnout will usually be higher in close races than in expected safe seats. (I'll be voting in New York, but damned if it will matter in my own Congressional district, where the incumbent will be getting 80 percent no matter what.)

Thus "52 percent voted against Chavez" is a talking point that could be applied to almost any other governing party in the world, but isn't -- except for Venezuela, of course.

For those who remember, the same bogus attack was used on Clinton after the 1992 election -- that only 43 percent voted for him, and therefore 58 percent were in the "opposition." Never mind that Perot's share would not have all gone to Bush (or anything of the sort). In the right-wing logic, any non-Clinton vote was therefore a vote against Clinton, period.

Right wing math will always lie. And you could be certain that it wouldn't have mattered what happened in VZ yesterday -- the corporate press would have come up with ways to attack Chavez as a "dictator"!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:42 PM
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1. K&R
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:50 PM
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2. MSM?....Hell, you can expect the inevitable DU attack.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 02:30 PM
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3. Yes, of course. Hence this post. Thanks.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:21 PM
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4. k
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:25 PM
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5. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, JackRiddler.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:27 PM
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6. K&R
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 03:37 PM
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7. That wasn't the only Corporate Media attack this week against
Venezuela. The NYT had an article with the usual clever 'question' about whether or not Venezuela might be a threat to the U.S. Most people will laugh at that, but the formula being used in that NYT article (never forget how they helped 'catapult the propaganda' for the Iraq War) is identical to how it began with the Neocons, years before 9/11, regarding Iraq.

Not only was the 'question' asked, but the Neocons are BACK! And they are looking at Venezuela.

How could they make a case that Ven. is a threat to the U.S.? The same way they did it with Iraq.

Noriega, former Bush rightwing zealot is now 'asking' if Venezuela 'might be helping Iran' to get nukes!! Yes, he wants to know if the Obama administration will give him a hearing for his 'theories'. And he has the assistance of the NYT to put forward his lies, just like Iraq.

What proof does he have?? None of course, but they are manufacturing it as we speak.

So to all those on DU who fall for the anti-Chavez propaganda, if you were against the Iraq War, then you should be very careful about supporting this plan to interfere yet again in the business of an oil-producing nation.

The U.S. is dangerous to democracies everywhere at this point, including our own. And I really hope Americans do not go along with any Neocon-generated plan to fight any proxy wars with Venezuela or anyone else.

I wonder how much have people learned, but when I read some of the anti-Venezuela comments on this board, I don't have much hope anymore for this country.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:10 PM
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8. agreed
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:36 PM
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11. Allende. Pinochet. South American blood is already on our hands.
No more interference in democratic societies which pose no imminent threat to us, ever again.

(and yes, I know we have interfered in many more democratic, or essentially harmless societies since then).
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:08 AM
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13. I agree, but the neocons have other plans.
And they never rest. We forget and move on, but not these people which is why they eventually get what they want.

You should read the NYT 'article', 'propaganda' would be more appropriate this week on Venezuela and if it doesn't make you fear for the future of that country then you have to be someone who was not around when Bush lied us into war in Iraq.

They have been spreading this propaganda for a while now, paying millions we are told, to get 'negative' stories on Ven. But this latest article is far more overt in its goal to strike fear into the hearts of Americans that Ven. is actually a real 'threat' to the U.S. A Nuclear threat maybe in cahoots with Iran, so says Neocon Noriega of Bush infamy. So how do we stop them?
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:51 PM
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9. The Force is strong in the Cult of Hugo
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:24 PM
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10. k & r
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:38 PM
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12. kr - and wow, not a single attack so far. amazing.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 09:22 AM
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14. I think perhaps #9 is an attack.
Typical of the anti-Chavez stuff is that it's always focused on his person and the supposed cult for him among brainwashed leftists and commies. I mean, what else is someone going to do if they want to argue against the OP? Come in and claim the election system there isn't "first past the post," or that all votes not for Chavez equally represent a rejection of Chavez?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 01:51 PM
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15. k
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 07:08 PM
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16. &k
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