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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:30 PM Original message |
Christian Science Monitor: Why is Obama taking on teachers' unions right before midterms? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. I worry also that when good and sincere teachers try to express their fears... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Psst, Mr. President, before we conclude that throwing money at the problem... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Good point. Too often education has been getting less and less funding. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is the Democrats' version of the invasion of Arizona |
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speppin (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. he is hedging his bets--may get disgruntled independents is |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You are actually right. Playing to the right. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
6. You can't go too far wrong in American politics by punching Hippies.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. Heh heh ain't that the truth? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. Maybe the WH doesnt want to win in November? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Ding Ding Ding!! Bingo!!..look what hapened to the numbers and the election results when Clinton |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. I'm convinced they want to lose. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. That would be quite 3d chessmaster, what we don't yet get is: we are the people being gamed. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Then get mad and get to work to deny him his corporatist majority |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Me as well. Ornery that way, Hoping all "old" aka biteme Dems feel the same. :) nt |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. He already has his corporatist majority - |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. Just last week Bill Clinton -- |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
8. Because the new dogma of the neo liberal state is |
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speppin (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The mantra of the neoliberals is CHOICE. --it applies |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. It is definitely being used in education...but doesn't mean choice of public schools. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Spot on. Nt |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. Dumb. nt |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
10. "Stoking it publicly" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You make some good points. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Not a very hard speculation at that! eom |
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DeltaLitProf (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Probably a lot of reasons |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. #8 is definitely a winner! If they can't get their |
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wcast (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You are so right |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. #5 is a pretty good bet. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. That tallies with my list. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. Since 1992 Democratic presidents have been advised |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
17. Just how would he KNOW his daughters wouldn't get as good an education? I mean KNOW? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. When he got elected they did look at putting the kids in public school. |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. They did not, in a serious way. And the girls could have gotten as good an education at some |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. . |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. "I am a Robot... privatize, privatize, privatize..." |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
30. Conservatives want to get rich off their dumbed down education ideas. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. I guess they figure that pleasing the right is more important. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
36. What on earth is so threatening about "if some teachers aren’t doing a good job, they’ve got to go.” |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'd settle for some good political leaders. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. +1 |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. I've seen more than a few teachers that were far from 'the cream of the crop". |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Ahhh and now the simplistic approach. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. I agree with your statement: "Nothing wrong with getting rid of bad teachers and good teachers ..... |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. How do you know the teachers are the problem? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. There is a national campaign to pin nearly 40 years of underfunding on teachers. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. If the list in the LA Times is any indication of the evidence the |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. This country has always had at least a 25% dropout rate. |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
60. Show your profile Diane |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
40. The White House and Congressional leaders have systematically alienated every key Dem constituency |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
43. Trust me, he knows he pissed the unions off |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
45. He is going after an ever bigger constituency: Parents |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Right. Setting teachers and parents against each other will benefit |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Students |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Nope. Teachers and parents have to work together |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Of course they do. But the teachers who won't, or can't need to go |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. How many teachers like that do you think are actually out there? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. The proof is in student's scores in standardized tests, not just grades |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. That's such bullshit. Take a look around at the culture we live in. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Are you serious? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. As serious as President Obama is on this subject |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Nice. Then students will be accountable for nothing. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Which is exactly why standardized testing is necessary |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. except you're saying it's ok fo rthe parents to create a situation where students don't even have to |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Exactly. Parents upset about the quality of their children's instruction will cheer these reforms. |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Show your hidden agenda against teachers profile Diane R |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Then maybe the others who would follow suit. |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
47. Several years ago I worked on a civil case involving three public school teachers. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Someone needs to analyze the list in the LA Times to determine |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #47 |
71. I was placed in PAR |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Please share your information ... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
78. Thank you for your post. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
56. He's a Republican agent, THAT'S why. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
58. If you want to know if a teacher is doing well, |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Do teachers teach exactly the same way when they are being observed as when they are not? |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Yes. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
64. There are a lot of things this administration is doing that doesn't make logical sense |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
65. Its a grand strategy when your administration has been a complete flop. |
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sonomak (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
69. Because they try to get love from Republicans |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
70. He's showing what he meant when he said he admired Reagan? |
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