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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:16 PM Original message |
Why don't we just call the illegal immigration debate the "Keep The Mexicans Out" debate? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. No, that's not "what it's all about". |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. This fact is being obscured in the rhetoric |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes! We're already here LEGALLY! Heads Up! |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. My post #2 was supposed to be back to you... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Hasn't it already been shown that's NOT what the illegal immigration issue is "all about"? |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
154. Yes, it has |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. As a Texan |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I talked last week with an "exotic dancer" while in the Rio Grande Valley |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
128. I could sure use your services right now!... |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Their gain (the US rich, illegal immigrants & the Mexican elite) is our pain. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You can't get a living wage put into law and you blame |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Without illegal immigrants there would be no need for minimum wage...the market would have it at $15 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. So, you are now blaming undocumented workers |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Yes - they represent oversupply and a willingness to work for less |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Let me ask the question a different way. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
68. Other countries |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
124. Other countries use national identity cards of some kind. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #124 |
147. Huh? |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
155. Exactly |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #155 |
179. Wage suppression questioned: average income doesn't suffer |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
70. Yes, that's basic economics |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Oh thanks for clearing that up. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. I wasn't commenting on the $15/hr |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
112. Common sense helps and so does compassion for Americans-NT |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #112 |
165. In other words you cannot document any depressive effect |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #165 |
250. $1700 per year - from NPR |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
85. so please name all the countries |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
237. You cannot increase wages when the labor pool is infinitely deep. n/t |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Can you name any country on Earth |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
83. " $15 ... That is a fact" |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. good luck |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
115. What % does 20 million represent of Americans on the bottom rung? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Let me ask a 5th time... |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. Who cares...this is the USA? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #122 |
148. You said that without illegal immigrants... |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #148 |
217. $15/hr was on overstatement but there are a good section |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #217 |
228. Extending rights is the answer |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:13 AM Response to Reply #122 |
159. Good Points |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #159 |
229. It's not that simple |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #115 |
183. It's very unreasonable |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #183 |
202. Something to consider. I don't know, nor necessarily believe, that the |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. No |
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trudyco (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #203 |
252. Thanks for the data |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #203 |
261. Now there's an unbiased source. This is why I no longer bother to post |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
174. I'm going to be nice here |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #174 |
196. The fake ID market is enormous. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #174 |
216. Proof of citizenship! LOL!! |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #216 |
233. I live in South Texas |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #233 |
254. If you think there are only immigrants in South Texas, |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. Where do you think they came across |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #255 |
257. They wouldn't be where you were if they weren't on their way here |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #257 |
258. There's nothing cheap about meat here |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
195. Then why do most other countries need a minimum wage? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #195 |
207. As an EU country the UK can get plenty of cheap labor from Eastern Europe |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:51 AM Response to Reply #207 |
220. The EU was only enlarged to include Eastern Europaean countries in 2004 |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 02:53 AM Response to Reply #220 |
221. I was in the EU before 2004 and there were plenty of Eastern Europeans working there. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #221 |
223. I did not say they had NO influence on wages.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Deleted message |
Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. OMG! Common sense! How dare you? |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. my family came here from Mexico |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Well said, nadine_nm. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Good post but one quibble re " only now " |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. point taken |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. Actually, you're forgetting the Chinese |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #100 |
126. No I was just over-simplifying. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
96. I disagree on several items you say |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. race has everything to do with it |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Pay is the factor |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. you are missing the point |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #114 |
171. Where I come from, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #105 |
224. The cleaning lady for my office building is a 35ish year old white woman |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
130. Well said... you'll fit in fine around here. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
189. Not so |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
6. ...and k&r...n/t |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. A Lot of Democrats |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. No one's falling for this. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Why do you have a problem with investing $700 million in Mexico? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Nice trick, trying to tie the Iraq debacle into the immigration debate! |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Granted capitalism IS the problem |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Capitalism in of itself is not the problem. DEREGULATED capitalism is. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
260. Little problem with the investment thing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. It might be a bit less than they put into subverting the last Mexican election. |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. How about we go with |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. What crap. |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Well in the end |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. What crap. |
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sanskritwarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
213. Your opinion........ |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
209. Yes - what crap trying to insert the racist crap like you are... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Not Just Crap double crap crapola crap-o-mighty... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. I have a feelling that most people think racism is a thing of the past |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Call Me Wacky |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. Why? Because it's embarrassing for "progressives" to be on the side of the racists. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Racism is a nonparitisan issue. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Excellent post |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
19. In my never very humbly stated opinion, the smartest thing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. We can't make common cause with brown people. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Especially if those "brown people" are "breaking our laws" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Back atcha, Cerridwen. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. More bullshit hyperbole and broad-brush smears. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. False premise. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That very presumption saturates the posts you've made. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. LOL! |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
166. You should research the mass deportations in the 20th century. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #166 |
210. If they're ILLEGAL - we should do it again. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #166 |
214. Are highway speed limits 'racist'? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #166 |
238. Returning illegal immigrants is a crime against humanity? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #238 |
253. Yes in general deporting millions of people is a crime |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Hence my point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Yep. The Mexicans are coming -- look over there. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. This is something I realized not too long ago. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #50 |
167. The fastest growing demographic and a potential |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #167 |
205. I've appreciated your posts on this topic this weekend. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
241. Congressional vote for amnesty depends on a simple assumption: |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. Or...All people have the same rights as Americans... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. In this country, US citizens ARE a special category of person. |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. Personally....I don't care who is here illegally. They are breaking our laws...... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Yes, they are breaking the law -- just like women who voted |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. You're talking about 2 (or three) entirely different subjects |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. No, Blue. I'm talking about laws that were just wrong. n/t |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. ...Oh...I agree....The people from other countries should be able to file... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. How can you call other human beings "illegals"? |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I suppose because if I sneaked into Denmark, I would be.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Right. Dehumanizing people is a progressive value. n/t |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I don't feel that it does. I don't associate Illegal with "Bad Person" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Then you need to try harder. n/t |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
132. If somebody breaks the law, they're an illegal. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Holy crap! |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #132 |
168. Can I get deported to amsterdam? nt. |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
201. The correct term is criminal |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. Exactly. Like Rosa Parks was a criminal for breaking Jim Crow. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #206 |
240. Hyperbole much? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #240 |
249. Had I committed that error, it wouldn't be hyperbole but false comparison. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Foreign and domestic workers are both victims of globalization. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Deleted sub-thread |
Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Yeah, they said that about runaway slaves in the South. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Oh, Cleita. I'm reading this stuff on DU. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
87. So, these people are fugitive slaves, now? 56% are fleeing slaves from Mexico? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. It is a hell hole for the poor indigenous people. |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
116. but this is really about illegal HIRING |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #116 |
227. It is also about no benfits and avoiding labor laws |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. That would be too honest. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Exactly! |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Okay, so Lieberman and the others for this so-called reform are opportunistic racists. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yes, and if you read the OP's opinion, this is a wedge issue |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
51. "...lowering wages for 'American' workers and accepting filthy living conditions..." |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. The more things change |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
91. And we never learn and we continually and literally pay |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:12 AM Response to Reply #74 |
160. How can being against Irish immigration be considered racist? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. Because at the time it happened, the Irish were portrayed as |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 04:08 AM Response to Reply #170 |
222. I realize that many refered the Irish as another "race", |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
113. yup. "Irish and Germans need not apply" |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
56. Because it's not just about illegal aliens from Mexico, many other nationalities are involved. n/t |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yeah, I knew a lot of European illegals who benefitted from the |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #58 |
197. Yes and yes. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Of course this is about Mexican nationals |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. In any way they can. And threatening their family |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
119. See my post #127. n/t |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
76. Not really. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #76 |
118. Mexicans 57%, Other Latin America 24%, Asia 9%, Europe/Canada 4% |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Because that ignores the main issue of illegal immigration |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. So then shouldn't we be bashing business instead of immigrants? |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. My God, you're making too much sense! |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
198. I keep getting asked to produce my documents. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Don't "bash" anyone |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
149. No!! Hate is cheaper and more appealing!!! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. You're right. That's crap. But we overlook the fact that our |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. I thought they did it to create a new, non-voting underclass of Dems. |
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Louie the XIV (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
77. Sadly the immigrants are just pawns |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. This is the bottom line |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I really resent the notion that they are exporting crime through |
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Louie the XIV (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. I'm not implying that all these people are criminals |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I don't know about exporting Triad and MS-13 members from other |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #102 |
146. And you can read all about it here... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
211. I can't disagree with that... |
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sheerjoy (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
79. Hello? "ILLEGAL" is the term |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. AND, if they get any kind of Visa, they should first be made to inform on |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Clue stick offense: in many cases taxes are in fact paid. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
104. Also, in fact, many use a legitimate SS # belonging to someone else |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. "My town is filled with em" |
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sheerjoy (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
107. I am speaking of the ILLEGALS |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #107 |
127. And it seems you can discern illegality by ethnicity. |
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sheerjoy (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #127 |
162. Yesl that was better; thank you |
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nadine_mn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. My town is filled with em? |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
101. I couldn't help notice your icon |
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sheerjoy (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:31 AM Response to Reply #101 |
161. Didn't say they weren't loved |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
92. How about the "Don't Let Them People Vote Act." |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. So are you in favor of letting non-citizens vote? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
123. That's an idea to consider if a very large percentage of the People are, but |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #108 |
150. Good idea!!! |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
106. Oh, racism. I thought it was about a sovereign country being able make laws... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. We know what our ducks look like. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. So why exactly should I be in favor of making it easier for big business to have access... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. And what makes you think I'm pro-amnesty? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #111 |
135. How is punishing workers pro Labor? |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #135 |
156. Exactly, how can the Democratic Party claim to be the party of the working class... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #156 |
180. So, the answer is to exclude workers, not to better working conditions? |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #180 |
188. "Not.", another example of your rapier wit. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. What crap #3. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #106 |
133. And more crap. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:03 AM Response to Reply #133 |
157. Why don't you try actually developing an argument... |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #157 |
235. Because it's easier for her |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
120. Well, the thing is |
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flaminbats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
121. why should we call it that? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
129. Because the defeats the point: for white folks to *hide* their racism. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
131. We should just call it the "avoid reality" debate |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
136. Because it would be simplistic and stupid. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #136 |
137. And everyone should have the right to seek that better life. |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #137 |
144. There are such advocates on DU, but I don't think they.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #144 |
153. Not only NAFTA but remember, Mexico elected a progressive |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #153 |
169. I won't argue with you, Pat.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. I say we revoke BushCo's citizenship, drop them off in the desert |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #175 |
218. Hmmmm. |
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Babel_17 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #144 |
163. Great post, you hit a lot of points |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #163 |
172. Thanks, Babel! |
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Zookeeper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #163 |
173. Thanks, Babel! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #163 |
176. So, level the field. Pitting workers against each other isn't the answer. |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Everyone is a racist |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Tell ya what. When HLS starts rounding up Swedes, call me. |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. How many illegal Swedes are there in this country? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #140 |
141. It's geting old? Apparently, not old enough. |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. So now you're calling me a racist. You call everyone a racist on DU who doesn't agree with you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #142 |
143. No, I didn't say that. I said it's easier for you to pin this on me than to |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #140 |
151. I knew quite a few of them. They came in on visitor's visas, |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. You need to start writing fiction novels. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #152 |
177. "You people". Boy, what a cop out. I know a bunch of |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #152 |
178. Because they liked the warm climate in Southern California. |
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unlawflcombatnt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:06 AM Response to Reply #138 |
158. Amen |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #158 |
181. If this isn't racial, I have a question to ask you. |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. Why don't you ask an honest question? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. It is an honest question and you can't answer it anymore than |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #185 |
190. My point is proven. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. See you finally answered it and I agree with you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #190 |
219. What is an illegal laborer? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #138 |
215. Indeed. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
145. Lets keep fighting over here... |
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sheerjoy (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
164. Yahoo group joins in - English only hehehe |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
182. No-Racism is the wedge issue. This is & should be solely about MONEY. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. Well said. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #182 |
187. It's union-busting and 'scabs' on a national scale. |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. Please tell me how regularizing the status of 12 million workers,,, |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Then what? |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:05 AM Response to Reply #199 |
232. Dividing workers fuels the rush to the bottom |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. They have it both ways. They incite racism when they need it |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
200. Investing in the infrastructure of Mexico? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #200 |
204. The ones that are still alive, anyway. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
208. "ILLEGAL" - it's about keeping and kicking out the "ILLEGALS" |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Didn't read the entire post, did you? |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
225. There are 2 reasons why we have so many illegal immigrants. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #225 |
230. Yes |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #230 |
234. About half of them are from the countries in Central America |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
226. I'm fucking sick of the race card. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 08:47 AM Response to Reply #226 |
231. Aren't you making that assumption too? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #231 |
239. Yes, in the UK it does include East Europaeans as well as non-white immigrants |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #239 |
248. Feel free |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #226 |
243. Of course I would |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #226 |
245. People keep getting dealt The Race Card... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #245 |
263. Similarly, people who have suffered racism may talk about it. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
236. Why? Because people don't like to think of themselves as racist. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
246. DING, DING, DING |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
247. self delete |
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Truthiness Inspector (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
256. Over the top |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
259. What part of "illegal" do you not get? nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-22-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #259 |
262. That part where "law" and "justice" aren't the same thing. |
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