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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:33 PM Original message |
Here is an idea!! Let's open our borders not just to Mexico but to every country in the world. |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. it's a way to stick a knife thru the heart of social security ("how can we possibly |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Social Security, Medicare, and the middle class are gone if we allow this to happen |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Oddly enough a flood of new (young!) workers |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. How about new young workers on minimum wage and their parents on welfare |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Well I have to admit that is at least a novel argument. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Chain immigration. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
67. "I've seen more and more of this" |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. I believe that the economist Borjas has, at least with respect to those |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. New immigrants can not get social security. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. And Pay Taxes... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
62. But they aren't the "right kind" of young workers. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. Um, the best thing you can do for Social Security |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
75. You can also raise the wages for those at the bottom, and extend |
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wildhorses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. ~~ |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't agree (of course)......but you can be sure that there are a few... |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. May I applaud your analogy? |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Thank You!....That's nice to hear...Especially after being raked.... |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. I find this interesting. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
49. And how they view the treatment of their ancestors |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. I agree free trade and free labor. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. Anyone who opposes your idea must be a racist. |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Racism is more about me than others.....ask them if you don't agree |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No wait I'm rubber and you're glue! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. The U.S. already leads the world in (legal) immigration ... three times as many as #2. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Well that doesn't really answer the question. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Government of the people, for the people and by the people |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I have some bad news for you. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. And your plan is to give over what remains? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I do not view a planetary social democracy as a bad thing. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I view it as, at best, a pipedream. A foolish one at that. |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Amen bro... the WTO, "free trade" etc. - a strategy to break the back of labor |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Our best chance is to sway the Dems back to their roots. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Thank-you Warren...beautiful post...n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-19-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's worked up to now |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Your hotel analogy is good except |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Few immigration restrictions until early 1900s. |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Horse bleep |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. No NAFTA is a steaming pile of shit |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. We agree on NAFTA, but I suspect for different reasons. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Silly, don't confuse with facts. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Strange. When I attend immigration rallies |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Do you actually expect the captains of finance and industry to |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Prove that they finance it. n/t |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Maldef and La Raza get a lot of support from foundations like |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. That's proven by the posts of some ....... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Thank you for your support. |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Corporatist elites versus middle class Americans |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. I'm far from being a libertarian myself. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. Odd isn't? |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I see families, too. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. They won't all live here. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I'm well aware of outsourcing and the problems of free trade. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Who cares about being the most powerful? |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
23. something tells me you're being sarcastic |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. I guess you could say that about the title, however |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
25. Labor rights are so 1940s. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. How are labor rights and immigration rights mutually exclusive? |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Yes! Open the borders to all! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You didn't answer my question. |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. LOL! What supply? What labor? |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. Bush Progressive ...I agree and know what you mean |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Theoretically.no. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I don't believe the WTO can interfere with domestic labor regulations. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
26. Works for me. The United States was built because of open borders and immigrants. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. you fogot the dreaded coocaracha nt. |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Actually, stopping unlimited immigration in the 20's was |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. In answer. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. I'd question that |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Great post! Proof positive that people refuse to learn from history. nt |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. People learn from history when it suits their purposes. |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
84. That is if one is a politician, the rest get screwed - NT |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
55. Look around you. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. The same was even more true when the other waves of immigrants came here. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. When the great wave of immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. If I had to make a guess......, |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
30. The US pushes for NAFTA type agreements that allow... |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Thank you |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
56. Isn't that already being done? And why is it about 'competitiveness'? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. Isn't that already being done? And why is it about 'competitiveness'? |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
58. Wonderful Idea! Where Do I Sign The Petition? |
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Robson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. You didn't catch the sarcasm...sorry |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
64. This OP sure is chalk full of xenophobia |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. The OP needs to change his sig to "Liberty & Justice for Some! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Yup |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. Wow |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
71. Here's a crazy idea: |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. Here's another crazy idea |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
79. Can anyone guess |
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hansberrym (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. It was racism pure and simple. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Odoacer deposing the last (western) Roman Emperor? |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. This is more symbolic |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 07:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I read that book. It was the Rhine and it was Germans who poured into Gaul |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 05:26 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Thanks! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-20-07 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
93. Then we'd be back to where we were at the turn of the last century |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 05:32 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Woohoo! Let's enjoy the prosperity the Jurgis Rudkus got to experience! |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-21-07 06:03 AM Response to Original message |
96. Why don't we |
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