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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:23 PM Original message |
Poll question: When polled, did Americans support a robust public option as part of HCR? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think it was evenly split |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Reference? n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You think wrong. Overwhelmingly popular with the people. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. It ranged from 40 to 60% depending on the poll and the wording. |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Can you cite those polls? Which are you referring to? n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
54. that's nonsense |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Of course you do... and your Obama avatar fools no one. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:26 PM Original message |
a poll about a poll |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. Not really. n/t |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Here are a few |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. That's the evidence. |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Thanks. To be clear, some of those numbers are about *single payer*, right? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Right. Not all the questions go into exclusivity or precise form |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. Looks pretty much overwhelming to me. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. At the start of the debate , 69% wanted Single Payer.... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. +1 The truth. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. +2 |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. And I think it went even higher when it was described as |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. What staggering bullshit. |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I read it here: |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. It reports one poll which said 69% in freaking 1991! |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Be clear: you're talking about SINGLE PAYER, right? Seriously, what's your point |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. So I just used google. Apparently polls with low support are the ones that misrepresent the issue. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
61. Plus one! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. +1 |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yes, Americans wanted a robust, competitive public option. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. let me suggest a better research method... |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Like I said, I can google myself. But I hear conflicting messages on the subject. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. that one google tells you why Democrats are in trouble when they could be collecting all the marbles |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes, they did favor it in polling... |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I would hope that the whole HCR mess was not caused by the framing of one word. n/t |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. That one word matters a lot... |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. But what difference does that make? Was HCR held hostage because nobody |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
12. Yes. Some links here: |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. June 2009, Oct 2009, Dec 2009. What do the polls say now |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. HCR doesn't have it, and that's one reason it is not popular. |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. I understand that, but what about current polls |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Can you tell us, and tell us how you interpret those polls? n/t |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. They're worthless since they were conducted a year |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Are you serious? What are you suggesting? n/t |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I'm suggesting that they're worthless now if we want to know about current |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. There was a recent poll |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. That wasn't the OP's question. nt |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. And? What does that have to do with year old polling data? |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. The OP was asking if people DID support the public option prior to |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Well, that's all I really needed to know. Thanks for the response. |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. You're welcome. And if you happen to find any data about current |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. Of course they did. n/t |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. why cling to what could have been? how can you move forward when you can't let go? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 05:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
59. Forward = the whole shebang going down because of no cost controls n/t |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Forward = no one wants to campaign on this "great reform" that fell far to the right |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. As I recall, most polls showed a majority supported HCR with the public option |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. Why would someone unrec a question about the truth of the polls? Who is afraid of the truth? n/t |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Because it reminds people of how a mandate for serious change.... |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. But, hey, we got a new logo instead! nt |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Why would anyone care if a thread |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Why would anyone care if someone cares if a thread |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. My point (and I do have one!) |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. No public option, no HCR |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. +1 |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. democracy took a backseat to welfare for the already wealthy |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. K&R!! /nt |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. You're asking for opinions on facts? |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-03-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I'm asking what the objective truth *was*. That's why I'm asking people to cite polls. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
63. Here is a very significant poll. |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. You're right... there's a lot of important implications to that poll. The link you cited |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
66. Ok, folks. I still haven't seen cites to polls that show Americans did NOT want |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-04-10 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
67. What Americans wanted was irrelevant |
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