BREAKING: Cheney's Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair

[stopbush]

BREAKING: Cheney's Handwritten Notes Implicate Bush in Plame Affair
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013107Z.shtml
Copies of handwritten notes by Vice President Dick Cheney, introduced at
trial by defense attorneys for former White House staffer I. Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, would appear to implicate George W. Bush in the Plame
CIA Leak case.



Hadn't seen this anywhere. Thoughts?

[LynzM]

1. Oh, do I hope this is true.

Well, yes and no. If they go down for this, does that prevent all the other shit they've done from ever truly being exposed?

*fingers crossed*

[Proud2BAmurkin]

55. Um, it's JASON LEOPOLD. LEOPOLD ALERT

LEOPOLD ALERT

[Ghost in the Machine]

66. The baby jesus forgives thieves, robbers and mass murderers

all the time. Can't you forgive someone for getting one story wrong?

Jeez, give it a rest already and quit stirring the pot.

[Maven]

73. The story is based on gov't exhibits this time

not "anonymous sources." So while normally I'd agree with you, it appears legit this time around.

[2008]

89. ooh, this would be sweet

:bounce:

[Dems Will Win]

77. Here is the actual note:

Bush is GUILTY and Fitz knows it. He's establishing the beginnings of a case against Bush himself.

[Pab Sungenis]

81. Dammit.

The "meat grinder" reference came a week too late. I played Mark Silverman's "Don't Stick Your Dick In A Blender" last week, and this would have been the perfect tie-in for playing it.

Leave it to Cheney to use such descriptive terms. Little does he know it's HIS dick that's in the meat grinder now.

[sofa king]

90. Fitz isn't doing anything except not prosecuting anyone else.

This document was submitted by Scooter Libby's defense team. It's not admissible evidence in any other case at this time because there is nobody else charged with a crime.

At this point, if Fitzgerald really does entertain the thought of prosecuting someone else there's only a remote possibility that the person would have to appear in court even in the final months of the Bush Administration.

That's it. They got away with it. The only remaining question is whether they all got away with it, or all minus one.

[BR_Parkway]

94. Shouldn't it be marked Defense Exhibit instead of Government if

it was put in by Libby's lawyers?

[Spazito]

98. Exactly, it is listed as Government Exhibit GX 532

Fitzgerald has referred to this note repeatedly, as recently as this morning in discussions between the judge, himself, and the defense. It has been part of Fitzgerald's argument in trying to get clips of Scottie's press briefings showing, first, that only Rove was being defended and, later, after prodding by Libby/Cheney, to defend both Libby and Rove.

The defense used to Government exhibit to point out the crossed-out words (the/this Pres.) and have Addington confirm that was his reading of them as well.

Interestingly, the note is being used by both the prosecution and the defense; the prosecution to show Libby's state of mind, how focused he was on this, etc; the defense to show Libby was being "scapegoated" in order to protect Rove.

[sofa king]

99. Ah, then I stand corrected.

I was confusing this entry into the evidence with previous revelations, with all of the more interesting ones recently (except this) coming from Scooter's defense team.

Good for them.

[yardwork]

100. That note does seem to say "the Pres," which is then crossed out

The wheels of truth and justice turn very very slowly, but eventually I think that the majority of people will know that President(?) George W. Bush* revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent working on terrorism during a war on terrorism that was killing thousands of American soldiers, soldiers from other countries, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians.

I'm just afraid that it will take years before people realize this.

[hippiechick]

2. discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x90018


and there was one yesterday I'm not able to track down at the moment.

[cynatnite]

11. Here, too...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x85018

[helderheid]

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[rumpel]

7. Ooga Booga Smooga Wooga

for sure

[xultar]

12. ditto

[caseycoon]

15. SAME HERE! n/t

[butterfly77]

25. Yes,Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes....

and please let there be more...

[ourbluenation]

36. as usual - what she said. it's what I've suspected all along, the bastids.

[H2O Man]

44. You can

say that again.

[global1]

4. What Was It * Said Of The Leak? ......

Something about if someone in the WH is behind it - they will not longer work there. Anybody have a link to that quote?

[Virginia Dare]

16. He said they would be taken care of...

If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.

"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."

He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

[Tin Man]

46. LMAO right now... It hadn't occurred to me before, but "taken care of" has TWO very diff. meanings

...LOL, damn this english language.

Yep, Rove is certainly being "taken care of" - as in WELL "taken care of"

[Virginia Dare]

65. He also said...

he didn't know of anybody in HIS administration, wouldn't necessarily apply to himself would it?

[BR_Parkway]

93. He said "classified" - by that point, he'd already de-classified it, retroactively

apparently

[colorado_ufo]

104. As in, "Heckuva job, Brownie"

[AikidoSoul]

84. Thank you. I needed to read those words again, to enjoy the deep, deep, deep

shit that is about to envelop this admin.

Hopefully


If the balls exist for doing what needs to be done.

[colorado_ufo]

105. Of course he didn't know anyone in his administration who

leaked classified information. He did it himself.

[Beelzebud]

5. Until I see it from a different source, it's in the junk pile...

Sorry it has to be that way, but at this point those two people reporting for Truthout are an unreliable source for this particular story.

[kansasblue]

54. Take a look at this: Washington Post referenced 'note'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/23/AR2007012300125.html

Libby, Wells said, told Cheney he feared "people in the White House are trying to set me up." Wells then showed the jury the text of a note Cheney had jotted that said: "Not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice the guy that was asked to stick his neck in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others."

[AikidoSoul]

85. Don't be an idiot. Look at the exhibits. For God's sake who are we to judge the timing of this

expose' which has timing issues.

Look at the Leopold articles as having timing issue regarding the "imminent" Rove indictment.

Fitzgerald is peeling back the layers to get to the rotten core.

And Rove may not be the center of rottenness... it might be that Fitzgerald sees something even darker and more rotten than Rove as he gets closer to the center of this mess.

That takes time.

I think Leopold did have a source.

A really good one.

Rove is going down.

Cheney is going down.

If really, really big cojones exist -- Bush will go down too.

I think the jugulars are now exposed and everyone is smelling blood.

[Captain Hilts]

6. Remember that the president and VP are claiming that they can unilaterally 'de-classify'...

anything they like, therefore, it is impossible for them to break this law?

[C_U_L8R]

18. Too much has passed for them to pull out that excuse

If that were true, they could've invoked it day one and
saved Scooter his job. (oh poor poor scooter) - I jest

[Ganja Ninja]

35. They can make all the claims they want.

But it's up to someone else to decide if it's legal or not. What it comes down to is if these guys want to hold on to power they better start kissing ass in the senate. They don't have to be convicted in a criminal court to be impeached.

[cool user name]

67. They conceded their guilt ...

... by saying they would go after the leakers.

Their "declassify" excuse won't wash.

[Captain Hilts]

69. But other 'leakers' are not the P and VP, who, they claim, have the right to de-classify on the spot

The two of them have special rights when it comes to the power to de-classify information. Or so they say.

[cool user name]

71. They can say they are fried chickens ...

... and metaphorically, they'd be correct.

Reality, on the other hand ...

:D

Anyway, what they say doesn't amount to a hill of beans ...

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Is this the note that has "this Pres" marked through? Or is this a new note?

Before I go to the link.;)

edited to fix quote.

[poverlay]

20. It's the same one. It is pretty conclusive though. I hope it gains enough traction so we can

at least watch the administration flounder around trying to explain it though. Maybe Fitzy has more. Sweet sweet Fitzy.

This whole thing is really quite delicious.
I love watching the bastards twist and it looks like Fitzgerald is just slowly pushing the knife in ... bit by bit.

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. : ) It DOES bring a smile to my face! Fitz has the goods on this cabal

and me thinks they're all in a shitload of trouble.:7

[jaksavage]

103. Slashing more than stabbing

He has wowed me with quickly cutting right to the top levels. Go Fitz Go

[saltpoint]

9. Don't know how this will play out, but there would be precious little

weeping at my house if this president were found to be involved in an act of treason against Valerie Plame.

As near as I can tell, she was a dutiful American citizen doing her job. There ought not to be a penalty for that.

As near as I can tell, her husband told the truth about the yellow cake scare out of Nigeria. He ought not to have been the subject of petty retaliation and dangerous treason for that.

If a U.S. president lies about a blowjob, I'm not terribly concerned. If it's not my dick it's none of my business.

If a U.S. president subverts the safety of a CIA operative for ANY reason, nevermind no better one than petty revenge, I think corresponding articles of impeachment should be introduced against him.

[cynatnite]

10. Isn't this what we've been talking about here at DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x85018

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Yes. It is. I just went to Truthout and it's the same story. n/t

[cynatnite]

19. I just looked, too. Thanks! n/t

[Tin Man]

32. Core of TO story is very similar to DU brainstorming re Cheney memo.

Since the time it was posted to the DOJ website yesterday, I'm sure lots of folks have examined the Cheney memo very carefully. Several brainstorming discussions on DU examined the content of the Cheney's memo, and came to the same conclusion written in today's TO article.

[bryant69]

13. Well it's Jason Leopold - but looks pretty concrete

We'll have to see if it gets picked up.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[C_U_L8R]

14. Shazaaam !

be still my heart... could it be the bloody glove ?

[fooj]

21. My theory...

Fitz is going all the way to the TOP!

[Cobalt Violet]

22. Is it treason yet? n/t

[orleans]

72. yes. randi rhodes is reporting this: telling us bush was behind this

(look at the cheney note that says "this pres" scratched out)

[dogday]

23. Man oh mighty holy freaking way

I always knew that there was more to this story... I still believe more is to come...

[tabasco]

24. Surprise, surprise ! Not.

They thought they were dictators when they controlled the Congress too.

This treasonous activity, this breach of national security, THESE TRAITORS must be punished!

RULE OF LAW ! Where have we heard that before?

[AndyA]

26. Obstruction of justice?

* acted like he knew nothing of the nasty Plame outing. Had no idea who, if anyone, in his admin could be involved in such a thing. And while he was speaking those words to a camera, recording them for all time, he in fact did know all about it. He was apparently up to his butthole in it.

Knowing that an active investigation was underway, I would say that's obstruction of justice. And I do believe that would also be a felony.

Can you say I M P E A C H M E N T ?

[Drifter]

27. This also establishes ...

the AWOL cowboys "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" moment.

That was when he came out and said that he did not know which senior WH official leaked. He even downplayed the likelyhood of finding the leaker because there were a lot of senior officials in his administration.
He did know, it was all of them (conspiracy), and he lied about it.

Cheers
Drifter

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. can a president fire himself?

berto? Yo, dude. Mr. Torture! Can I fire myself?

[DRoseDARs]

29. Altogether now in your best Scooby-Doo voice, "Ruhroh..." n/t

[bdamomma]

30. what, off with their heads.

geez, Fitz is working very hard, I think this is what the Dems want, get them both out with one fast swoop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or is darth cheney going to say this is "hogwash" also. I want to see these guys be served their just dues.

[ClintonTyree]

33. White House lawyers would pick that apart in minutes....

insinuating that's why Cheney crossed it out, because Bush WASN'T involved. I can't see this implicating Bush in any cover-up, as much as I'd like to. They'll need stronger evidence than that. It IS damning evidence against Cheney though and when viewed as a whole it certainly gives one the suspicion that everyone in the White House was involved, including Bush. But alas, suspicion isn't enough to nail the bastard's ass.

[dogday]

42. And the citizens in America given this information

will also make up their minds and if they are anything like I think they are, they will say it does look very similar.....


Won't matter what the lawyers do legally, when the American people get a view of this, it will be worth a second look.... Try tearing that apart...

[ClintonTyree]

56. The American people?

the same ones who care more about voting on "American Idol" than they do in a Presidential election? Americans are notoriously slow to react to anything. Look how long it took them to wise up to the fact that Bush is a complete imbecile. Granted, they are doing better now but with a corporate media that remains steadfastly behind Bush they have to actually HEAR about it before they can react to it. A majority of Americans believe what someone tells them to believe. Sad, but true.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to believe that Bush and Co. will get what's coming to them but I don't share your confidence in the average American doing what's right. I've been disappointed in them far too many times for that.

[dogday]

58. They did in November and

his popularity is in the crapper... We know it is about public opinion and I believe public opinion will be high on this.... Don't sell the American people short, that is always the first mistake...

[Joe Chi Minh]

80. How do you know? Circumstantial evidence comes down to opinion.

It could be viewed as unpersuasive, persuasive or totally compelling to all but an idiot - as in the case of the creep who murdered his wife and told his girl-friend on the phone they wouldn't have long to wait, and left a trail of other indicators, in their totality, utterly compelling! Or as in the case of the Republican electoral fraud and otherwise inexplicable obscurantism. They wouldn't let the sniffer dogs near their luggage, as Ernest Partridge put it! "Stop it! Stop it! Get those damn dogs away!"

[sabra]

34. Does Leopold read DU? :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=90018&mesg_id=90018

[Marie26]

39. Betcha he does. nt

[Tin Man]

41. There's at least a remote possibility...

:rofl:

Honestly, there's gotta be alot of people scrutinizing Cheney's memo right now. Shouldn't be too surprising that at least several people interpret it the same way.

[Cameron27]

43. I saw your thread Tin Man,

don't be surprised if you turn up as an unnamed source somewhere .....:rofl:

[Marie26]

45. No, it's a logical conclusion.

And hey, even if it came from the DU thread, that's more exposure for your analysis. I like how Fitzgerald is just releasing all this info for liberal bloggers to investigate. He's trying to silently chip away at the wall of secrecy the Administration has built - and that's more valuable than a perjury conviction, IMO.

[0007]

101. I'd think so!

[Hav]

37. .

Worst Administration ever? And not even in a close race?
Yeah, their war on terror obviously also means war for political reasons against those whose job is to find out about potential WMDs that could be used against the US. Good job.

[Marie26]

38. There was a DU thread on this

yesterday. Tin Man, Spazito & others pointed out that the scribbled "this Pres" seemed to refer to Bush.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x85018#86917

[Virginia Dare]

40. Bush and Cheney hatched the plan together...

and sent their minions Libby and Rove out to "make it happen".

Bush "decided" to throw Libby under the bus to protect Karl, and thus, himself. Cheney can't be too happy about this.

Remember that early on in the investigation, both Bush and Cheney retained counsel, highly unusual, so quite obviously they were both involved, finding the proof however, will be difficult.

[rodeodance]

49. the Decider decided.

[Lugnut]

47. Beeyooteeful.

Can we get him impeached now?

[cool user name]

48. Holy shit .. this is "Hugh!!11!"

[helderheid]

50. They're screwn!

[cool user name]

60. Do you feel dirty when you type like them?

I sure do.

:D

[helderheid]

62. Heheheh!

A little! :rofl:

[Initech]

51. If that ain't treasonous, then what is?

:shrug:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

82. lying about a blow job is obviously much worse.

I always thought that Clinton's two major crimes were
a) picking ugly women
b) relying on polls to decide policy.

Cheney is actively involved in having people killed. 100,000 Iraqis, at the very least. 3000+ soldiers from the US. until they changed the parameters, even the DOD noted that 73,000 US soldiers were seriously injured, either mentally or physically, so far. On edit, they went back to the lower number, redefined to exclude those not injured in an actual battle, whatever that means.

[Oleladylib]

52. whisper the good news in Molly's ear...we WILL get him!!!

[tritsofme]

53. More details to be released in 24 business hours...

I have no incentive to ever click on a link to that website again.

It will be picked up by legitimate sources if anything ever comes to fruition.

[Jack Rabbit]

57. Pelosi for President in 2007

:popcorn:

[WillyT]

88. Hey Jack...

I made a bet with a conservative buddy of mine last summer, that the Dems would take back both the House and the Senate. He thought I was batshit crazy, took the bet and lost.

A week ago I saw him and offered a new bet to make his money back. I was willing to bet him that by this time next year it would be President Pelosi.

He shook his head, and refused the bet, LOL!!!

Guess we got 'em shaken up a bit, eh?

:hi:

[Jack Rabbit]

91. It sounds like your friend is a fast learner

I'd put my money (such as it is) on Bush and Cheney being ousted by Christmas.

[colorado_ufo]

107. I would not bet against this, and neither would Pelosi.

She is already prepping herself by tours abroad, both to familiarize herself and have leaders get to know her - who she is and how she is - in case she is thrust into office. Pelosi is laying a foundation.

If she is in office by the next election, Clinton will lose to her. Clinton is smart and capable, but Pelosi knows better how to connect better with voters and comes with no baggage.

[dysfunctional press]

59. gee...cheney wouldn't do anything that might result in him becoming... gulp ...president...?

would he...?

if it brings down one- hopefully it can bring down BOTH.

[Recursion]

61. Leopold has gotten our hopes up before

Take this with a grain of salt

[helderheid]

63. I wouldn't worry - DU came up with this info before it popped up on Truthout.

[H2O Man]

64. Right.

The TO report is fine. More, the documents listed are actual Court Exhibits. We've linked to them on the Plame Threads.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Hmm that explains the drums on Iran

cornered rats and all that

Ah watergate in the morning... quite a smell... err stench

[lovuian]

70. I have always known if Cheney goes down so will Bush

they are joined at the hip

[Nimrod2005]

74. I TOLD YOU SO............

[Cocoa]

75. the note proves Cheney is a Freeper

he spells ridiculous "rediculous."

[paparush]

76. In light of this - Look for Iran Rhetoric to reach Shock and Awe Levels..nt

[SalmonChantedEvening]

78. Only a Real Decider could make this kinda Decidificaton

Right bunnypants?

:freak:

[BulletproofLandshark]

79. If legit, then it's time to arrest him for treason.

No more political expediancy. No more fucking around.

[AikidoSoul]

83. The plot thickens. Pop the popcorn!!

:popcorn:

[lonestarnot]

86. Woodamnwhoo!

heh!

[Mick Knox]

87. MSM Can't Ignore this!!! This is the begining of the end!

Whooo hoo

Hard Evidence!

Thank you truthout!

[ChiciB1]

92. Okay, I'll Be The One To Rain On the Parade!! Does Anyone REALLY

think ANYTHING will actually come of this???

Never has yet, they have squirmed out of every single thing so far, and there has been a GREAT DEAL to Squirm out of!!!

I really don't mean to put the CABASH on things, but I won't believe anything until it ACTUALLY happens. I've gotten my hopes up far too many times, so I won't start blowing up any balloons now just so I have to pop them later!

They'll probably just say this is some sort of MIS-DEE-MEAN-OR!

[dethl]

95. It never rains.....but pours.....keep it coming Fitz!!!

eom

[IWantAChange]

96. Even if chances of Bushco going down are tiny this is FABULOUS......

Fitzgerald seems to be building an awful lot of momentum in this case and MSM coverage just continues to increase.

[ima_sinnic]

97. Treasonous Act #417 -- yet he is still sitting in the WH issuing

"executive orders" and "signing statements"

so, whatever ...

[jaybeat]

102. I'd like to seem them try to squirm out of this one.

Bush: Based on Cheney's note, Bush asked Libby to take the fall for the administration's ham-fisted and security-sacrificing attempts to retaliate against Wilson. (The fact that they were trying to tarnish Wilson for telling the *truth* is icing on the cake.) So Bush asked Libby to obstruct justice to protect Rove.

Cheney: Asked WH press secretary to obstruct justice to protect Libby as well as Rove. (Not wanting Libby *or* Rove--or himself or Bush--to take the fall.

Obstruction of justice = High crimes and misdemeanors.

Done deal. End of story. Take it to the bank.

Other impeachment counts will follow like an avalanche. They will be buried.


Pelosi for President in 2007!

[IDemo]

106. "George didn't lie. Signed, Horshack's mother" n/t