m$nbc bullshit: Poll suggests Dems will face 'hurricane winds'

[spanone]

can you believe this shit? nice headline

Republicans remain on course to make
substantial midterm gains across the country
and to win control of at least one chamber of
Congress, according to the final NBC
News/Wall Street Journal poll before Tuesday’
s elections.

Nearly 50 percent of likely voters prefer a
GOP-controlled Congress, which is virtually
unchanged from the poll taken two weeks ago;
a plurality of all registered voters say it would
be a “good thing” if Republicans were in
charge of both the U.S. House and U.S. Senate;
and almost two-thirds — including about half
of Democrats — want to see a significant
amount of change in the way President Barack
Obama has been leading the country.

“This is a devastating set of data for the
incumbent party,” says GOP pollster Bill
McInturff, who conducted the survey with
Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. “It is a
rebuke to the last two years.”

On Election Day, Hart adds, “The Democrats
are about to feel the force of hurricane winds.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39940472/ns/politics-decision_08/#

[DaveJ]

1. No Poll has ever contacted me

Maybe I just don't fit into any demographic, unless there is one for outcasts. Maybe there will be a surge in outcast turnout tomorrow. :shrug:

[spanone]

2. the only person quoted in this article is a republican pollster...fair and balanced

[golddigger]

6. Same here. I have been registered to vote since

1976. Not once in all those years have I been contacted by a poll outfit. As a matter of fact I have not known anyone who has in all those years.

[spanone]

7. polls are easily manipulated...there are no rules

[RandomThoughts]

3. The exact opposite of what I been posting.

So lets see, if the Republicans win seats, they can then say I was wrong and they were right, and if the Democrats win they would say my comments supported the Republicans.

Sounds like a game.

:shrug: The arguments from the democrats, assuming the news stories and interviews are correct, are better. Although that assumes they are doing what I assume they are.

However neither have corrected the beer and travel money situation, so one day is not going to make a huge difference.

Furthermore, the news seems to have attached my comments to the Republicans which also makes no sense.

There is humor in it though.

[whathehell]

4. A concerted and relentless effort to supress the Democratic Vote

I was phonebanking last night and talked to an elderly woman (81 years old).

She was a lifelong democrat and told me how much it bothers her to hear the constant drumbeat of "Democrats will lose".

[adigal]

5. I don't believe any of this

I really don't think the Repubs are going to take the House. I think it is all wishful thinking and bad polling. And I also think many Dems will wake up and get out to vote, and many Independents will have second thoughts before voting for the party of Loons and Orange Men.

[CC]

8. They are all trying hard to make

sure the GOP wins. They make money off the fighting and are looking at how much more they can make with an even more divided political atmosphere.


We can help stop them from getting their way. Call 10 friends today and remind them how important it is to vote and why who they vote for is so important.

[CoffeeCat]

9. Yes, we're probably going to be slaughtered...

..but let's remember that this is typical for these off-year elections. The party
out of power almost always makes significant gains.

There is a lot of anger out there. Naturally, people want to make some kind of change.

The Dems had Congress and the White House for the past two years. Now, the people want to try
something different. It's not the end of the freakin' world.

Every poll I heard last night (and I was in the car for three hours listening to news
and talk radio, so I heard a shit-ton) is very, very bad news for the Dems.

It's difficult to see this happen, but we must remember that if the Republicans win
big on Tuesday, this is not an endorsement of the radical, sociopathic agenda of
the tea party and the rest of the crazies in that party. This is an angry vote for
something other than what we've got now.

And if the Republicans misread their wins and go off half cocked, sprinting into the
future with their crazy, bizarro-world, Fascist agenda--they will be kicked to the curb.

Anyone else remember the 1994 "Gingrich Revolution" and how the Republicans hoarked that
up beyond repair? They won overwhelmingly, then proceeded to ram through their radical
"Contract With America" that Americans overwhelmingly rejected. And Bill Clinton won
the next election, in part as a rejection of that Republican miscalculation and radicalism.

This will all work out. We all still have to vote and I'm confident we'll prevail in many
races and I predict that Harry Reid will win.

(edited to change error)

[spanone]

10. don't buy into the b.s.

[CoffeeCat]

11. I am willing to concede that some of it...

...is BS. Gallup and a few other polls are worthless propaganda.

However, we can't ignore every poll.

And I certainly don't allow polls to dictate my behavior. I'm voting, making
phone calls for my party today and I'll take many people to the polls with me.

I'm interested. Do you believe that most of the polls are bunk? I noticed that
my Sunday paper front page was brimming with article after article about the
probably Dem losses come Tuesday. My husband said, "If I didn't know any better, I'd
say someone was attempting to demoralize the Dems and convince them that the election
is over and to just forget about voting."

I had to agree with him. But then again, I haven't seen one poll that shows significant
Dem gains. So, what to believe?

I'm interested in your thoughts tho.

[TZ]

14. I have a relative who is a political scientist that consults with Pew

and is probably the most truly fair and balanced person I know when it comes to politics he says Dems lose House, keep Senate. And that Repubs will NOT have enough to override any veto Obama gives, so while the Republicans will have control and make alot of noise, they won't accomplish much (the only thing he can see them doing is making a deal with Obama on tax cuts).
You can take this prediction to the bank..this person is right far more often then they are wrong.

[CoffeeCat]

18. That sounds reasonable...

...and I appreciate that you shared the info from the political scientist. One
of the reasons I love DU--there's so much GREAT information out there.

I agree that they won't accomplish very much. Even if they did gain larger majorities,
I don't think they could accomplish their radical agenda. There just isn't the support
for it.

Republicans will use any gains to suggest that America loves the tea party.

I will enjoy reading Free Republic in the coming weeks and months. They're going
to be on such a high after the election--and they're not going to get a damn thing
they want.

We think the tea baggers are angry now--just wait until their own party pops their
balloon. Oy vey!

[spanone]

17. i think the polling system is obsolete.

cell phones are the main form of communication and pollsters do not poll them.

so how can you have a consensus of voters when you poll through an antiquated system.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-political-polls-cell-proliferate-lines.html

[KharmaTrain]

12. The Hyperbole...Sheesh...

Will the Democrats lose seats tomorrow? Probably. Does the party in power usually lose seats in the first mid terms...especially after two very succesful elections? It's due. The numbers speak different. There'll be 435 seats up for grabs tomorrow...of that, all but 50 are considered contested (polling, if available under 10 points)...so the idea that there's going to be some massive change is bullshit. From all predictions the Senate will remain in Democratic hands and to my knowledge there's still a Democrat in the White House. What could change are enough seats for the GOTB to squeak out a small majority at the expense of the Blue Dogs.

The real "tsunami" awaits the GOTB after the elections as the teabaggers and the "establishment" either take credit or pass the blame on one another.

[CoffeeCat]

16. You said it best...

...and this should be an OP. Seriously.

What a good reminder---that there are "435 seats up for grabs tomorrow...of that, all but
50 are considered contested...so the idea that there's going to be some massive change is
bullshit."

So TRUE!

But the media has to make this "win" out to be America's colossal smack down of the Democrats
and Obama. The Republicans did this very thing in 1994. They won big, miscalculated what
that win meant, and then proceeded to tear down the highway with their Fascist "Contract
on America" which was wholly rejected by everyone except the 10 percent radical fringe
in the Republican party.

I do think, as you said, that Republican gains are part of the natural political ebb and
flow. But Republicans are stupid. They'll be cocky and brash--and then the fun starts.

When the tea partiers see that their agenda won't be advanced, and when America rejects
them--that's what I'm waiting for. Sometimes, unfortunately, their agenda needs to be
front-and-center before this can happen.

[KharmaTrain]

20. Very Well Said...

Just wanted to add that in '94 the rushpublicans took both the House (for the first time in 40 years) and the Senate. I don't see that happening tomorrow. We may see that majority down to 52 or 53, but having 59/60 didn't seem to make the earth move...and the Democrats will still control the agenda there.

As for the House, much of what was done there either died for fear of a Senate filibuster or was watered down. I expect anything the GOTB tries to push to meet a similar fate...mostly posturing and a lot of gridlock. The cocky and brash will do them in as the fighting and rhetoric should remind many who are now suffering amnesia how inept and corrupt the GOTB is. Yes...we may just need their agenda in the light to show how disastrous it is for any long term recovery.

No matter how much people may be fed up with the Democrats, polls constantly show they trust the rushpublican less...and this means they'll be on a short leash.

Cheers...

:hi:

[Hepburn]

13. I am an early riser and have a TV in the kitchen. Turned on MSNBC...

...and turned it off when I heard the bullshit.

I am soooooooooooooooo sick of this crap. Ya think those who would have voted Dem "knowing" we are gonna lose might decide NOT to vote???

:mad:

[whathehell]

21. Yup....Same here. n/t

[still_one]

15. This is what has been parading across the networks for months now. What bothers me the most is the

one-sided "consensus" of these so-called analysts, even to the degree that they are just regurgitating repuke talking points

[boomerbust]

19. And that stooge

Evan Bayh was on Morning Joe saying the same thing.