This message of voters being "fed up" with Democrats doesn't add up.

[Atman]

Eugene Robinson is on teevee now, and those were his words; "the Democrats are fed up" and want something done. Okay, sure, I'll buy that. But how does that translate into a Republican landslide? Because the people who are truly "fed up" with the Democrats are THE DEMOCRATS! We voted for some serious change, and we got...well, some change. It didn't go far enough, and in some instances, didn't go at all. Sure, we're fed up.

The opposition was never "fed up," though. They hated Obama from the very beginning. They never were going to vote for him, no matter, no how. There aren't enough independents to make up the gap between GOP support and Democratic support, but we're supposed to believe that every Indi vote will lean Republican. Huh? Why? If Obama didn't go far enough for you as an independent, why would you decide to revert to the policies of the previous administration to make things better? How does it that make sense?

Further, where is there any logic in thinking ANY Democrat will now vote for the GOP just because Obama didn't give us each a pony? The whole meme doesn't make sense.

I know, I'm the eternal cynical optimist, and maybe still a little high on the Rally for Sanity experience, but I just have a gut feeling that we're going to hold on.

[beyurslf]

1. I think some I's just want to teach Dems a lesson and will vote R.

Remember these are voters who voted for Bush and then voted for Obama.They may be undecided until they get into the booth. Of course it does not make sense to those of of us who decided months ago who to vote for.

[kestrel91316]

2. Never confuse the "message" with the truth when it's coming from the

corporate lapdogs known as pollsters and the MSM.

[grahamhgreen]

3. We get 3x the number on the mall, but we're not motivated???

[Bitwit1234]

4. So the republicans have blocked every thing the Democrats

have tried to do to bring us out of the "DITCH" so to speak. And of course the Democrats acted wishy washy and didn't do to much to stop them, BUT they did get some bills passed. Now the republicans are running on fixing the things that Bush and they, because they enabled him, caused. They are getting the message that this mess is a Democrat one. And the Democrats because they lack the steel spine to do something, are letting them. I for one think we are going to get thru this, loose some seats maybe because the Democrats did win in a lot of conservative districts in 2008. These will probably go back to the republicans, but they won't take over.

The Democrats are going to get a second chance and they better damn sight get their butt in gear and plow ahead instead of kow towing to every republican whim.

Why are we letting the media and the republicans herd us out of the voting booth. Today on MSNBC I was surfing thru trying to find something to watch and on a show called Jansen and Company this woman, who must have been Jansen was showing Van Hollen saying we were not going to loose the House or the Senate. She gives a sarcastic laugh and says "Oh gee does HE know something that we in the media don't know". So we know what the media is pushing and WHY are they the ones who are correct.

[tridim]

5. I'd like to see Gene slap some sense into Chucky Toad some day.

[Andy823]

6. He is right!

I don't buy it either. Sure people are upset, but anyone with half a brain will realize that putting the republicans back in charge isn't going to change at thing, but only bring back the same BS we had for 8 years of Bush! As for the media going all "crazy" over the tea party crowd, these are people who never voted for Obama in the first place, and many of them have changed from republicans to "independents" to try and make it look like they are not just the same old angry, crazy republicans from years past!

Now I do think we will lose some seats, but getting the voter out will be the key to show them all they were full of crap come tomorrow! I really think the democrats have a better GOTV plan than republicans, and I still think in some states the ones sitting home and "NOT" voting will be angry republicans that just won't vote for the crazy teabagger candidates they have running in their state! The idea the right has been putting out that will be a "landslide" may backfire on them and keep the more moderate republicans from taking the time to vote!

[Naturyl]

14. But the catch here is "anyone with half a brain."

We're talking about media-indoctrinated American voters here. That's awfully optimistic.

[glitch]

7. If they really thought the Dems were going to lose they wouldn't grind their wurlitzer so loudly

and continuously. They wouldn't need to. Just like if they really thought the Dems were "unenthusiastic" (we haven't been enthusiastic in years but we still vote and they know it) they wouldn't have needed CU and their ad blitz. They are gaming the ref because they fear the Dems will win again.

And as always, deliberately faulty polls and their mighty wurlitzer provide cover for election theft.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. It doesn't make any sense to me either

If people are upset that Democrats haven't done enough (though they have been very productive during this Congress), the obvious solution is to get out and elect MORE Democrats, not sulk at home and refuse to vote ultimately enabling the Republicans to slide back in.

However, I don't think that that's as much of a problem as the fact that, at least according to the pundits and the Republican (Tea) Party, a lot of people supposedly believe that President Obama and the Democrats have, in fact, been "too liberal" and that more Republicans need to be elected so that they can ride in on their white horses and stop/reverse their evil "Socialist" agenda and, of course, to repeal the much hated "Obamacare". :eyes:

Sometimes, you just can't fix stupid.

:banghead:

[sleekgreek]

9. should i vote?

I have been reading and coming here for awhile, I just signed up to respond to this post. I am an independent, that leans heavy to the left, except I love guns, I have a huge problem with illegals( I live in a sanctuary city btw), and I hate that I have to pay for free cell phones, when the majority of recipients are capable of working and instead opt for welfare.

I have no problem saying that I absolutely hate the teabaggers, the bush brigades, organized religion..... I would have no problem knocking a king street patriot out in the middle of the polling center for trying to stand behind me or bother me in any way, hell I wouldnt have a problem getting out of my truck at a stop sign and getting down with a teabagger.

Ok, thats me thats how I feel. I'm 35 and have always been politically thoughtful. But I don't know that I am going to vote yet, I have today and tomorrow to decide. My wife is undecided, my father-inlaw (a viet combat vet turned hippie turned enviromental scientist) is undecided, several other people I know and work with undecided. All dems btw. And why? Because the dems have done nothing but let the right walk all over them since taking majority. Look at the healthcare debacle, what a joke it became. Alan Grayson had balls to stand up to the right, in front of the media,and I think alot of us thought it was a turning point, it wasnt. Why is Rove still causing so much headache, instead of sitting in jail? This take the higher road stance has done nothing to help this country. I have a governor that wont even go and debate and noone of the left seems to care, WHY SHOULD I THEN? So why should I go vote? Maybe some of these crazy teabaggers should get elected, maybe once the country gets screwed up alittle more by these ass clowns, maybe then we will get some serious people to want office. Not to mention there is so much money thrown around in there today, can change ever really happen? Will any of them actually bite the hands that feed them? I think alot of us have simply become jaded, while the other side has simply worked their minions up into a frenzy, something the left should be doing. Facts, all they have to do is stand up to them in public, with facts, Obama had the balls to do it, so why not the rest of them? He cant give us all a pony anyway, in fact he cant do anything without the support from his senate and congress, and they have left him out in the cold, while they play politically correct games,, so why should I go vote?

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Let me just tackle one topic: illegal immigration

To be honest neither party is particularly good on the issue but the Republicans are absolutely lying hypocritical shitweasels about it. When Reagan's amnesty happened in 1986, he handed the big farms who helped him get elected CA Gov. and then President a valentine in the form of stopping enforcement at the employer level. In the 24 ensuing years employers have known that they face practically no consequences for hiring illegal workers. As a result the use of illegal labor has exploded in certain sectors. Meanwhile GOP politicians preen and demagogue on this issue and occasionally pass a meaningless (in the sense that it doesn't actually do anything to fix illegal immigration) law like SB1070.

[sleekgreek]

11. agree

On the federal and state level, yes nothing will be done. These commercials between rick perry and bill white here in texas are ridiculous. Perry has done nothing and neither has white, yet they are both tough on immigration. My disagreeance is with the left in general. People like Bill Maher that think illegals just clean house and pick strawberries. And if you dont love them then you're a racist. Its simply not true. Theres no fields in houston. I'm a pipewelder, I have seen many illegals take jobs from americans, I've seen 7-8 that were sharing the same social, working for a double time company,at the same time, in turn taking work from americans. I have mexican and salvadorian and colombian friends that hate illegals, because it costs us all money and jobs. I'm american-greek, and I dont want millions of illegal greeks coming over here either. Also I was working in arizona when the whole rancher thing went down, I applaud their governor. If I am pulled over in houston and I dont have proper ID, I will go to jail. So asking that someone with papers for ID carry them is very just, its not racist at all.

[Hello_Kitty]

12. There is nothing to applaud about Jan Brewer

Just like every other GOP politician, she's a toady for Big Bizness. She does not want illegal immigration to go away at all. It's a profit center for rich Republican businessmen and the private prisons.

[JonLP24]

22. You seriously applaud Brewer?

The accidental luckiest Governor in the US?

She was unpopular with her own party because she raised taxes. She was struggling early in the campaign against businessman Buzz Mills. Now racist, Neo-Nazi endorser Russell Pearce authors a bill that you are referring to which was also co-authored by a member of FAIR which is a racially motivated organization. She happen to sign the bill which boosted her popularity where she was very unpopular in her base. Help her get Buzz Mills and others to drop out right away. I actually agreed with Mill's message even though he was far right conservative. He said something along the lines of the discussion is all about illegal immigration and not about jobs and budget deficits.

It also helped her blow out Terry Goddard. She is truly an awful person, worse than Palin.

[Naturyl]

15. Tell you what

I'll call you on my free welfare cell phone and we can talk about it.

But really, the question is you are going to let the fact that I have a free cell phone convince you to vote Republican and side with the teabaggers, fundies, and other crazies. Is it really that bothersome to you? Same goes for illegals and guns.

You mentioned three issues. Are those three issues really worth throwing your lot in with the people who have turned this country into the laughing stock of the world? Think about it.

[sleekgreek]

17. @Naturyl

We are already the laughing stock of the world...... The phone, illegals and guns have nothing to do with my indecision about voting. I stated I lean heavy to the left, those were just a few things that keep me centered. I just dont know if it's worth voting for them this time, or more so, if they deserve my vote this time. They've let the crazy fringe become an actual party. Maybe they should sleep in the beds THEY made, until they grow some balls and decide to stand up and make some actual changes. The fact that the right has maintained power while having none is ridiculous at best. We cared and was pumped when Obama took office, and the dems have just stood by through quiet fillabusters and fearmongering from the right.

As for your phone, if your elderly or disabled, then I dont mind paying for it. But if you just sit around and collect welfare for a living, then yes, I hope it gives you a brain tumor, really soon.

[Naturyl]

19. Thanks so much.

I'm disabled but I'll go ahead and accept the brain tumor wishes anyway, since I totally oppose economic slavery imposed by people like you who preach "work or starve."

Always nice to be reminded that there are many who claim the "left" but want others to die for refusing to share their values.

[sleekgreek]

20. work or starve?

First off, I have no problems with social programs, for those that need them. I grew up 2 blocks from the projects, my mother worked her ass off to keep us that 2 blocks away. I know first hand many people simply do not want to work, while they are perfectly capable. I bust my ass, i'm 35 have a bad disc in my back already and still work 10-12 hour days welding for what I have. I was for public option, and know that many people need social programs, which I have no problem being taxed for. My problem lies in paying for free loaders, if your feelings are hurt by that, then so be it. I'm bothered by people like you that would think there is nothing wrong with free loading. If you weren't disabled would you work, or at least look for it? I shouldn't have to work so lazy people dont have to, or is that your idea of america? Theres no "values" in lazy and mooching. Btw, personally, I dont think disability/ssi pays enough to those that need it, but I'm a scumbag so what does that matter.....

[Naturyl]

13. I agree to some extent.

It's crazy to think that people who voted Democratic because they wanted substantial progressive change might go Republican because they didn't get it.

Then again, this is America, so who knows what kind of illogical things might lurk in the minds of voters.

[timtom]

16. I admit, I got discouraged over the past several months.

But, by GOD, I'm not gonna stand by and watch a flock of idiots get elected to positions beyond their intelligence and abilities!

Straight Democratic ticket for me.

[Generic Other]

18. I may be mad and yell and rant about wishy washy Democrats

but I'll be damned if that means I will vote for evil dirty Scumpublicans! Somebody is seriously nuts if they think that's what I'm thinking!!

We may bicker among ourselves, but we are family. They are wolves at the door!!!

[beforeyoureyes]

21. They stay home. They don't donate. They give up. They fail to see the point.

It isn't so much wanting a Republican win, but believing it makes little to no difference.