Just to be clear, if Ds hang onto either house, we are calling it a victory.

[Deep13]

If Ds hang onto both Houses, we are calling it a complete rejection of the R. point of view.

Right?

[ClassWarrior]

1. Wow. The unrec patrol never fails to astonish me.

NGU.

[druidity33]

25. wow

the amount of times i see someone complain about Unrecs as the first reply within 3 minutes of the OP posting never fails to astonish me...


:eyes:

[Vincardog]

2. a complete rejection of the R. point of view YES

[seabeyond]

3. a teabaggin FAIL. nt

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

4. If the R's win a house back, they will call it a victory too...

Both sides can't really be victorious.
Just sayin.

So are the R's not victorious if they gain back a house?

[Deep13]

7. Yeah, but based on the expectations of a R. blow-out...

...and all the cash they spent on this, I'm thinking our ability to hang onto either house in an effort to stop a R take-over can legitimately be called a victory.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. They will call it a "victory"

and it will be (for them), albeit IMHO a Pyrrhic (and temporary) one ultimately. I think that them capturing the Senate is going to be a far less likely outcome. O'Donnell's primary election victory pretty much closed THAT door for them- it would likely be considered "icing on the cake" if they win it but no big deal if they don't. Of course, neither side is likely to get anything substantive accomplished during the next two years regardless of the outcome IMHO.

[Uben]

5. If we survive "Media-geddon"!

Can I coin that term?

[Coexist]

6. "the republican wave has apparently ebbed, and failed to capture both houses"

this is obviously a complete rejection of their extremist agenda.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. Yup

That would make my day.

I'd actually be able to sit back and enjoy watching the Republican Tea Party machine tear itself apart in the aftermath of such a failure. Let's make it happen!!!

:nuke: :popcorn:

[GSLevel9]

9. HELL YES! That'd be a GREAT victory.

Very few predict a fall in the Senate.

[Codeine]

10. Of course it's a victory.

Midterms are always a bitch for the Administration's party, and quadruply so in a time of deep economic crisis. Add in all the right wing corporate money that the Citizens United decision unleashed on these races and the general tenor of the election and I would posit that by maintaining our control of the Senate we've done as well as could be hoped.

Next -- onward to 2012 and a new opportunity.

[jgraz]

11. Also, if the Rangers score a run tonight, we'll say they won the Series

You'll pardon me if I stick with the reality-based community. :eyes:

[Deep13]

16. When I was a defense attorney...

...a verdict that came back with less liability than the prosecutor's best offer was a victory. I think the Ds holding off the predicted R landslide will be a victory in reality.

[jgraz]

19. Well, in your expert opinion as a defense attorney...

what would you call it when you practically sweep a party off the map, elect a hugely popular president with a historic mandate and give him both houses of Congress with the largest majorities in a generation... and then piss that all away in just two years?

[treestar]

26. The OP was about spinning it

and it appears you're going with the Republicans.

[jgraz]

29. Do you ever get tired of posting nonsense?

Ever?

[walldude]

30. "Spinning it"

yeah a euphemism for "fooling yourself". How hard is it for Democrats to say that if they lost it might just be because they didn't do a good enough job? Wait I know the answer... IT'S TOO FUCKING HARD. It'll be easier to blame the gays.

[jgraz]

31. Facing reality == helping the Republicans

What part of that don't you understand?????


(yes, :sarcasm:)

[hughee99]

12. As long as we hold on to the presidency

we'll call it a victory regardless of outcome. The more expectations are raised for the repukes, the easier it will be to paint this as a "victory" for us.

[xchrom]

14. Anything less than a landslide is a loss for the repuke party. Nt

[Javaman]

15. It makes no difference what we say or think. The media and their right wing owners will dictate the

message.

They will spin it as such: "the Democratic Left squeaked by tonight, losing big in both the house and the senate. While the right wing has made up a huge amount of ground. While the Dems still control both houses, tonight will be looked upon as a huge loss for them".

The whole "we still control both houses" will be lost in the right wing talking point machine.

[NoNothing]

20. You mean we control both houses now?

Could have fooled me...

[Javaman]

22. You know what I mean. nt

[Glimmer of Hope]

17. I am with you!

[Change Happens]

18. Yes, we are............nt

[blondeatlast]

21. Accidentally unrecced--mea culpa. nt

[EFerrari]

28. rec'd, it's a wash. n/t

[dhpgetsit]

23. Not many Senate seats are up for grabs.

Bur losing the house will not be seen as any kind of victory for yours truly.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

24. If the Thugs don't win the House even while picking up a bunch of seats....

....they won't be able to keep their disappointment in check. They expect a 70 seat wave.

[TheKentuckian]

27. Fully onboard with scenario #2. Scenario #1 I can't really agree with but your spin is strong!

[B Calm]

32. Damn right it would be a victory! CAN'T WAIT TO RUB IT IN!

[jillan]

33. Yes!!! We are suppose to lose big tomorrow, if we don't we win!

Great thinking Deep13.

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[Canuckistanian]

35. Agreed.

And I'll look forward to many victories in the House and Senate.

[Initech]

36. Allow me to play devil's advocate here for a minute.

Suppose we lose at least one house. The simple fact of the matter is that no matter what, this Congress will be run by and for the best interests of Fox News - not the people, make no mistake about it. With a huge majority pushing the interests of this piece of shit network, I seriously hope their policies fail big fucking time, and it shows the world that the network should not, cannot, and will not run America. If America listens to this piece of shit network and votes with only its interests in mind, it will blow up in their faces big time.

[michaelslomo]

37. True victory would be maintianing or increasing numbers in each house

Losing ground is not a victory.

Let's go for victory.

[neverforget]

38. Well if they do hold on to the majority, they'll beat expectations in the media

which isn't saying a lot our media.

[struggle4progress]

39. gotv

[tomp]

40. no, in either case.

the excuse the dems have been using for their 2 years of failure is that they didn't have enough votes in the senate. by their own standard, not extending that majority can only mean 2 more years of failure. the dems have to be held accountable for allowing the right to gain any ground at all, when all they had to do to achieve that was BE PROGRESSIVE instead of conciliatory.

one party, two branches.

[Time for change]

41. It will be a victory if we hold on to both houses

How can holding on to the Senate be a victory? The Dems would have to lose 10 of 19 currently Dem seats up for re-election, plus every Republican seat in order to lose the Senate. They're expected to lose a net of 7 seats in the Senate. A loss of 7-9 Senate seats in one election is huge. Why call that a victory?

I think that a much better approach if we lose the House would be to admit defeat, evaluate the cause of it, and consider what to do about it.

[whathehell]

42. After the propaganda the M$M has been spewing?..Keeping both houses would be a victory, Yes!!

[Balbus]

43. How is ending up with less than you started with be considered a victory?

:shrug:

[Lexwasp]

44. Uhhh...no.

If the Dems lose 75 House seats and hang on ot the Senate by a 51-49 margin, that will NOT be a victory.

Personally, in that instance, I'd rather give them both houses. Otherwise, their lack of control in the Senate will give them something to hang their hat on for 2012.