Why is Jon getting all this crap?

[EC]

Wasn't the film montage Steven's? For his fear representation? And the clips I remember of Ed and Keith were of them telling the right to tell the truth...

[mysticalchick]

1. because they all have to find something to bitch about ...

.... really.

[LaurenG]

22. +1 nt

[Coexist]

25. +100

[Scuba]

26. +1,000

[laughingliberal]

36. -2102 eom

[WolverineDG]

39. +1,500,652

I couldn't believe what folks were whining about on Saturday after the rally. If I hadn't watched the rally on TV or talked with people who *ACTUALLY WERE THERE*, I would have the impression that it was a colossal failure---too many white people, no Mexican music, blah blah blah....

dg

[proteus_lives]

44. +infinity.

[uponit7771]

60. I'm going to start a TP bitching about this reply dammit!!! /sarcasm......too funny

[lukasahero]

65. I think they have to find someone to blame

... but you could be right, too. :)

[NC_Nurse]

2. He knew he would and said so repeatedly. There's a bunch of thin-skinned

Media types out there. Can give it but not take it.

[EC]

3. Yeah,

he did say he was sure he'd hear all about it on Mon.

[Atman]

4. I was at the rally, and I'm pissed at the negative posts.

THE RALLY was the point...not just the words Jon Stewart said at the end, as eloquent as they were. You have to take the whole "stage show" in context. Every time Jon tried go positive, Colbert's O'Reilly character tried to shut him down. Maybe this whole enterprise was above too many heads. Stewart played reason against Colbert's paranoia. Come on people...if they can't convince US, what's the point?

[EFerrari]

8. Sometimes raising a question is in itself more valuable

than getting agreement. It's pretty easy to get agreement if that's what you're looking for.

[madfloridian]

12. It wasn't his words as much as his video clips.

It was not necessary.

[flamingdem]

34. His rally is step one, but without step two it lacks critical thinking and intent nt

[Aramchek]

5. Jon should have had the balls to get off the fence and take a side

He played it like he was completely objective and that all sides were equal in wrongdoing.

He knows damn well there is nowhere near the level of malevolence and ignorance on the left as there is on the right.

Jon could have taken the chance to call the nuts out on the National Stage.
Instead, he gave them ammunition because now they have support for their claims that we are as bad as they are.

[Dappleganger]

7. If you watch his shows you know he takes a side...

and pulls no punches. But then again, you'd have to be paying attention to notice. ;)

[Aramchek]

16. I know. He is obviously liberal. Why did he play-act like he was an Independent?

Why not just tell the truth that >90% of the problem is with the Right Wing?

[arcane1]

23. Colbert's very presence as co-host, with his "fear" co-rally...

is the means by which that truth was told.

As a rally for fans of their shows, it worked perfectly. Colbert made fools of the right, and Stewart won him over with reason.

[Odin2005]

32. Because he would not get the audience he does if he was too obvious.

The BS narratives spewed by the MSM means that conservatives (real conservatives that can be reasoned with, not the fascist wacko nuts) reactively ignore or lash out against good arguments they would find correct and sensible just because they are labeled "liberal". That is what Jon is talking about, people have been habituated into reacting to labels instead of content.

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. Maybe Jon is among a lot of us who see the line between the "sides"

getting more blurred each and every damned day.

[Aramchek]

17. so there's no difference between the parties, huh Ralph?

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. My name is Laura.

Nice to meet you. :hi:

[Orsino]

66. Let's say rather that the line is getting hard to see...

...what with all the TV cameras pointing elsewhere.

[arcane1]

21. Colbert represented the "nuts", just like he always does...

and Jon called him out. Seriously, this rally was co-hosted by a character whose sole purpose is to parody the right wing.

Was there a liberal parody version of Colbert on the stage, to show that "both sides do it"?

No, there wasn't.

[ecstatic]

6. Good. A taste of his own medicine nt

[walldude]

9. For being successful..

;)

[southernyankeebelle]

10. Am disappointed in Keith O. none of the press get it. They are to damn close to the issue.

[gkhouston]

11. They make their ratings off of ant flambee. Are you truly surprised? n/t

[EC]

13. Ant flambee...very good...

I loved the metaphor of the magnifying glass...

[SargeUNN]

15. I have been waiting for someone to correct the OP

The piece he is referring to was done by Stewart and he is confusing it with the one Colbert did. For whatever reason nobody seems to want to give the correct info and that alone says something to me. Hero worship is alive and well here at DU

[aikoaiko]

18. I blame it on liberal arts education where one learns every idea must be subverted.

or at least bloodied.

I keed.

[Barack_America]

19. Because the truth isn't always popular.

And the truth is that Ed and Keith ARE overly dramatic loudmouths and they DO contribute to the media noise. They are a part of the problem. The argument in favor of them is that they are the only such noise shouting on behalf of liberals and that if they were to "take it down a notch", the noise would still be deafening, just one-sided. That's hardly an improvement.

I don't watch them because their antics stress me out, but I do recognize the purpose they serve.

[SargeUNN]

24. if you don't watch them then

how do you know other than by pieces of video you might see? Seems you might be favoring a biasness of your own.

[Barack_America]

43. I used to.

Before I went a while without cable and realized how much more relaxed I felt.

[TheKentuckian]

27. Because he bought it and I think of Stewart as a literal American hero.

It was their show and Jon is the top dog.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. The entire event was about how each side sees the other

And yet this montage with the dual viewpoints has been framed as Jon "saying Keith is morally equal to Beck" which is nonsense of course.
I just heard the angry Ed tell me he was late for work, will not be here Friday so he can go kill deer, his podcast is $25 and month, and then he lashed out at Jon Stewart over material he had not even seen. Wounded macho shouter. To me, he is a loud, obnoxious straight man who invests his patriotic money in Canada during a recession. That's Ed. Podcasts $25 a month.
He asked if Stewart know right from wrong. What a stooge this deer shooter is. Tough guy, kill deer for sport, lives in Manhattan, makes millions, going to kill a deer for fun. That is Ed.

[Soral]

29. JEALOUSLY.

JEALOUSLY

[KharmaTrain]

30. This Wasn't The Progressive/Liberal Woodstock...

...that some were hoping. Even before the rally Jon was getting criticized cause he wasn't going to speak about this cause or that one...or that he wasn't telling people to go out and vote. That's not his job. He's a comedian and satirist...the entire rally was a parody on Dreck's dog and pony show and used to point out how poisonous our corporate media has made political discourse in this country. It was to point out that not everyone finds the polarization and triangulation games of the media to be "fun"...and how over-the-top some have gone to rise above the growing noise. It wasn't to play the equivelency game...far and away his biggest cuts were at faux and his views on that network are on display many nights, but it's also about the entire tone of the media that has turned politics into a bloodsport.

As usual people read their own agendas into these events...

[arcane1]

31. well-put! nt

[Quixote1818]

51. I agree. It most certainly did more good than bad. nt

[bettyellen]

55. it's made me realize that their are a lot of juvenile people on our side who enjoy the mid slinging

more then they do anything else about politics. it;s their chance to flail and feel self righteous. i just saw some totally random and pointless joke about Palin's crotch on another thread, and I was like whaaat? I mean it's great we can count them as a vote, but damn, some on our side are just and ignorant, just as brain dead, itching for a fight and not much more.

[Odin2005]

33. Some people are apparently scared by the fact that Americans agree more than they disagree.

[Bucky]

35. I believe the "false equivalency" will be the latest meme.

I prefer Stewart's style to Olbermann's, but Keith is right. The wingnuts can only be out-shouted. They can't be reasoned with. Stewart's politics are stuck in 1986. I think we should hammer them with facts, more than name calling, but we have to hammer hammer hammer.

The next two years of disruption and obstructionism are gonna be horrible for the country.

[KT2000]

37. I don't get it

It was a wonderful event that called upon all Americans to calm down. If equating the left's activities with the right's is the high crime, that is ridiculous.
Last week there was a woman who could very well have had her neck snapped by an idiot reveling in the current atmosphere of hate. Let Stewart remind us of our humanity and leave the scorecard to others. He did a great job.
The trashing of Jon shows the left's weak side.

[gkhouston]

48. +1000. n/t

[Pisces]

38. People don't like the glare from the hand mirror Stewart presented.

The righties don't have the market cornered on arrogance and ignorance.

[DeschutesRiver]

40. One reason is because they got their monkey slapped for doing their bit to gin up hysteria at times

The second I'm guessing is that it takes a quick mind and wit to do news commentary in satire in real time - on a daily basis. A talent that Stewart possesses and uses, that the rest do not and it bothers them. Of course, lumping them in with Fox in the way they generate hysteria and fear at times has completely sent them over the edge. Sounds like the shoe fit way too well.

There is a place for Ed, etc and what they deliver; there is a place for what Jon delivers. But this is sheer pettiness that they were "criticized" in any way - more what I'd expect from Fox than these guys.

I listened to Chris Matthews (against my better judgment, as I rarely turn his show on but wanted to see what he said about Jon's rally). Paraphrasing, he told Ariana that he figures people went to this rally, and get their news from Stewart, because they aren't capable of understanding the hard news that he provides - as thought it is so deep and complicated it requires too much effort - instead, those not capable of handing his superior product go to a show like Stewarts because it is "candy."

What a fucking dope; told dh and he said "not just a dope, matthews is terminally stupid and frighteningly arrogant." No kidding. I couldn't believe he said only people incapable of the hard news he delivers would chose candy like Stewart's show because it is easier for them to grasp.

[EC]

41. He is a bit dense.

Anyone who watches TDS and Colbert has to already KNOW the real news in order to "get" the Jon news...

[gkhouston]

49. And far too much of Tweety's "news" is panel discussion that Tweety talks over,

anyway. :eyes:

If I want "hard" news, I go to Rachel, but it's amazing and a little scary how much of the news of the day can be simultaneously summarized and satirized in the first 10 minutes of The Daily Show. That shows you how little is often being said on the 24-hour "news" channels.

[McCamy Taylor]

42. Stewart looked like a dumb shit when he said Tea Baggers are not racist.

Unless what he really meant was "They do not actually despise members of other races. They only pretend to in order to divide and conquer the working class for the financial benefit of their corporate masters." But you know? A guy who pretends elections in this country are fair when Blacks keep getting stripped from voting rolls probably does not have a tremendous fund of political knowledge.

[proteus_lives]

45. To many here, he failed his purity test.

[AngryOldDem]

46. You really have to ask? Because he's telling the truth.

Both the Right and the Left are yelling at each other. It's a perpetual echo chamber.

Bill yells; Keith yells back; Ed gets into it; Hannity responds...and so it goes. On and on and on. Meanwhile, nothing gets accomplished because they're all preaching (or screeching) to their own respective choirs.

[donheld]

47. Facepalm.

Why is it every time we get someone to speak for us, the progressive, our own shoot them down?

[gkhouston]

50. Getting into a pissing content with the Fox newsdroids doesn't "speak for us".

It wastes air time that could be spent exploring the issues that are important to us. Rachel Maddow seems to have figured this out.

[AngryOldDem]

61. I stand by what I said.

There is noisy shit being slung on both sides.

In the end, they all cancel each other out.

[Skittles]

52. CORRECT

[donheld]

53. Bullshit

[Skittles]

54. no, it's the TRUTH

they're just screaming crap at each other; there is no real debate, no real discussion of SERIOUS PROBLEMS - just a whole lot of CRAP

[donheld]

57. You're right, telling the truth fighting for the little guy is crap.

:eyes:

[Skittles]

58. you're not getting it

it's not about repukes lying and Dems in return screaming the truth - it's about the METHOD it is done - it's a HUGE turnoff to people who want problems discussed and analyzed, not shouted in hysterical soundbites

[donheld]

59. What is the right method then, singing "it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood?"

I get it fine.

[Skittles]

64. no, you do not get it - not at all

[AngryOldDem]

62. No, he's not.

Maybe this thread will help: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9435322

[awoke_in_2003]

56. because there is still...

room under the bus.

[JVS]

63. Because he dished it out.

Now it's his turn to take it.