4 Americans killed in Mexican border town

[Liberal_in_LA]

4 Americans killed in Mexican border town
The victims are shot in separate attacks in Ciudad Juarez.

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Four U.S. citizens were shot to death in separate attacks in the border city of Ciudad Juarez, Mexican authorities said Monday.

Chihuahua state prosecutors' spokesman Arturo Sandoval said Edgar Lopez, 35, of El Paso, Texas, was killed Sunday along with two Mexican men when gunmen opened fire on a group standing outside a house.

On Saturday, a 26-year-old U.S. woman and an American boy were slain shortly after crossing an international bridge from El Paso. Giovanna Herrera and Luis Araiza, 15, were shot to death along with a Mexican man traveling with them just after 11 a.m., Sandoval said.

Sandoval said authorities also identified a 24-year-old woman killed Friday inside a tortilla shop as Lorena Izaguirre, a U.S. citizen and El Paso resident. A Mexican man was also found dead in the store

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-juarez-americans-20101102,0,6468662.story

[BlueCheese]

1. Geez.

By the way, has there been any news about the Hartley case?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Either these people were in the wrong place

or... the Cartels have broken the long standing don't touch tourists...

If this is the latter... not good.

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Seeing as how they are all Mexican Americans they didn't LOOK like

tourists. This is the flipside of Arizona's law - anyone who isn't Anglo is a potential target (come to think of it, though, that IS Arizona's anti-immigrant law).

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. On the border you really can tell

Having stood on revolution for many a shift I became very good at telling who's who in the zoo. It is something I cannot explain, but you can.

Mexican Americans have mannerisms that are different from the locals, just like Americans in general have a way of walking... is it perfect? No... do we at times miss it? Absolutely... me I can still pass as a local... I was born and raised there... but you can more or less tell I'd say 70% of the time... perhaps a little lower.

I'd like to know if they were in the "no touch" area of town... and the ones by the bridge probably were.

This is not good at many levels.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. I suppose you're right - I was raised as an army brat in Europe, and

I could tell, looking at a crowd in, say, London, who was English, who was American, who was a German tourist - even though all were, by appearance, the same.

Very disturbing, either way. I can't imagine. I knew someone once, a member of my synogogue back in 1990, thereabouts, who was Colombian and there was always an edge of sadness about her because of the ongoing war there between the cartels, FARC and the government. Hundreds dying every month. Now it's on our border and spilling over. It's heartwrenching.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. It already spilled

but for the most part it is kept quiet...

MS 13 is part of the spill over...

It will not end well, but that is my humble opinion. Why I voted for 19 today. I believe in decriminalizing this, because the war failed oh over a decade ago... at the latest.

[Wickerman]

3. So, the Mexicans aren't Americans?

Damn, I'll bet they were surprised to learn that.

They may not be U.S. citizens. Freaking LA Times.

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[Wickerman]

10. See if in the future, you can disagree with someone without name calling

I simply commented on a national newspaper to call people what they are, not disenfranchise 2 thirds of North Americans. No, instead, you disparage me and Canadians. Nice, very progressive.

[Lance_Boyle]

12. What 'franchise' would be denied anyone by recognizing that

Mexicans are citizens of Mexico?

BTW - "thick" is an adjective, not a name.

[Wickerman]

17. They are still Americans

American is not exclusive to the United States.

The "Franchise" is not the fact that Mexicans are called Mexicans. No problem with that. The disenfranchisement is that all citizens of the Americas are Americans. Folks residing in the United States are U.S. citzens.

Ok, from the beginning. Adjectives modify a noun. So, calling someone thick is a modification of a jname and thus is a personal attack. You get the point. It's against the rules and a really piss poor way to communicate on a message board.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. You might have a point if the citizens in ANY other new-world nation

called themselves "Americans" - from Tierra del Fuego to Baffin Island. They don't. Only citizens of the United States of America call themselves Americans.

Deal with it.

(edited for typo)

[Wickerman]

22. "Deal with it"

Sweet.

Fantastic etiquette on a progressive board.

Have you no other means of making a point than rude sarcasm? I pity you.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. OK, so DON'T deal with it.

Like I give a fuck.

[Wickerman]

24. lol

excellent come back.

Have a shitty day. :hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. I really don't expect to -

I predict we hold both houses, and that means this cannot, by definition, be a shitty day.

:hi:

[Wickerman]

26. Amen

much more of what I would rather be focusing on.

:party:

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Nope Mexicans ARE Mexicans

and very proud of it.

[Wickerman]

11. Yet they live in the Americas

When making direct contrast I have no problem with people being called Mexicans and U.S. Citizens. All Mexicans are not U.S. Citizens, All Americans are not Mexicans, but we are all Americans.

But, regardless of your take on the statements, thanks for being civil as always, nadinbrzezinski. :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Well here is a take from somebody who grew up

down there.

Mexicans get a little annoyed when Americans talk about North America as if it were just them... (I suspect like Canadians)

When talking of the CONTINENTS people use the term FROM THE AMERICAS... or from the American Continent. But people know Americans are them gringos...

Yes it gets complex...

[Wickerman]

20. I think you make a good point

but I personally refer to trips I've made to Europe and saying I was American and getting jumped on for saying that. I was told three times (until I learned, doh!) that I was from the US, not America...

Of course, that was the old Europe. :evilgrin: Nowadays I'd be from Canada. What? Minnesota is close to Canada! ;-)

[kenny blankenship]

7. I'd sooner hike through northern Iran than visit Juarez for any reason.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Don't know the local Juarez prison

has more amenities...

And they don't detain people just because on the wrong side of the border...

But I get it, that is a dangerous city...

[seabeyond]

14. my inlaws live in el paso. none of us go over the border anymore. bad stuff.

el paso though, is on of the safer big cities.

[KamaAina]

15. So now it's news -- because this time Americans were killed.

In Juarez -- right across the bridge from El Paso, TX -- this is just another day at the office. :cry:

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. wtf are you talking about? Mexican violence is in the news every day. nt