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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:03 AM Original message |
Elections are the art emotioneering, and we can use a refresher course |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
1. Recommended. |
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speppin (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
2. Need the WH to stop calling Dems effing retards will be a good start. Gibbs |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. it's not just the insult, either -- it's the strategy. |
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speppin (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. yes, and heartbreaking is the ideal word to use. Thanks |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Now here is an example of ignorance leading to emotional reasoning |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. right -- and the "ideas" are the moral core, so by insulting/dismissing them, they had nothing to |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. It's very strange to hear the left claiming "morality" |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. i'm not sure i understand -- did "he" (i assume Obama) disagree with HCR? |
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speppin (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. I know he |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Your ideas are retarded |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
4. No, we should quit catering to that and try to get people to think more |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. actually -- that's not the case. we won 2008 with emotioneering. we lost 2010 without it. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. If it were that easy, we'd have done it |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. you can characterize successful electioneer as "indulging" emotions if you want |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. You are leaving voters out of the equation. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. on the contrary, it's condescending to tout "stimulus" when what voters need are JOBS. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. It's called putting it into a context people can relate to. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. holy crap -- i had no idea the party turned down Lakoff. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. I believe you're selling the importance of emotion short, it's required for every activity |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. for example, shampoo is sold as you want to "experience the healthy clean" -- that's much different |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. People are irrational by nature. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. the very best messaging is that which "is just the way it is." |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
9. K & R !! |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'm not sure that emotional sensibility and moral center are synonymous. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. it's really as easy as saying "jobs and tax cuts" instead of "stimulus" |
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MrModerate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Two words: Rahm Emmanuel. Worst.Advisor.Ever n/t |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. couldn't agree more. |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-05-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. What did you think when he was first appointed? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
14. I agree. This is why Manchin won in WV. Progressivism didn't lose last night. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. the GOP and CoC were able to target Grayson with Big $$ b/c the party abandoned him |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Didn't help his district is a ridiculous Republican gerrymander, either. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. yep -- here's the map |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. shit, i didn't realize The Fightin' Eighth goes down into Osceola...see that little nib? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Orlando's a metro, the rest are increasingly rural, low-density areas. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. i think this is where the churches really stepped-up for Webster. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
15. Well said. The blue dog flame-out speaks to the failure of walking softly and carrying no stick. |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
17. +1 |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
18. "Healthcare reform is about...your right to have a doctor" --That's not what we got though |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. quite true -- but, you sell the shit you brung. the GOP isn't going to rid the world of socialism... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. The problem becomes circular. It's difficult to sell bad policy. nt |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. absolutely. you can't run on your moral core and then govern from the back room. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. need to add... without moral standard bearers like Grayson, we'll never get real moral policy |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R As usual, you nailed it, Nashville_Brook. n/t |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. :) -- thanky! |
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CommonSensePLZ (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
25. Somewhat disagree, but recommended |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. we should mistake running on our moral core, with the moral bashing the GOP/TEA practices |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
28. K & R for NB nt |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
29. K&R for an interesting OP with interesting responses. - n/t |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. messaging is my business -- i could talk about talking all day!! |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
32. Sorry Brook |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. emotioneering is the "tip of the spear" of smashmouth politics |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
33. Kicked and recommended. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
46. DA feets DA feets, we just got DA feets! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R. That's a big reason he Republiks are the default party. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
50. K&R |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-03-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
51. kicking for visibility |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-10 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
55. morning kickee |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-10 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
56. K&R - more Democrats need to take Lakoff to heart |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-04-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
59. k&r |
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