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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:02 AM
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I think many DUers have conveniently forgotten that
THIS HAPPENS EVERY MIDTERM. The party in power loses seats and sometimes control of Congress.

Damn, people, it could have been SO much worse than this.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:04 AM
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1. Last night was the biggest House swing since 1948.
It was pretty bad.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:04 AM
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30. Which means what?
So it was a big swing. That doesn't change the fact that we still have the Senate.

If we lost the majority by one seat rather than a few dozen, it would amount to the same thing. They aren't veto-proof, so we're okay.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:07 AM
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33. More significant
the Senate and House have spilt and that hasn't happened since 1914.
I think it's not as bad as most people seem to think.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:10 AM
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36. Yep. nt
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:05 AM
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2. I often conveniently forget things that are nonsense
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:06 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I forget the world is flat. I forget that my home in infested with unicorns. And yes, I have conveniently forgotten that this was a normal mid-term election.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:12 AM
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38. You're right. It WASN'T normal.
We didn't lose the Senate this time. It's so much better than before.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:05 AM
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3. I am mourning the loss of my 30-plus-year Farmer-Labor congressman. It's bad here.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:08 AM by Brickbat
And the GOP holds my state house and senate for the first time in a long time.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:07 AM
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4. West, Rubio and Scott (and Grayson losing) is pretty damned bad.
Hardly imaginable, but Florida is going to get worse. :(



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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:08 AM
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5. Worst ever
Nice way to minimize the worst loss ever.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:10 AM
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9. WORST EVER? WE STILL HAVE THE SENATE
Were you alive in 1994?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:21 AM
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15. Yes
And as many have pointed out, you need 60 to have a majority in the senate.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:43 AM
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22. Yes
And that cuts both ways.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:15 AM
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11. Worst loss ever? 2000 was MUCH worse.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:20 AM
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14. 2000 wasn't a mid term
We're talking mid terms here.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:20 AM
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13. Republicans needed to win veto-proof majority in House. And win the Senate. They didn't do either.
Sure it is bad. It has been worse.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:21 AM
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16. Which mid term do you represent as "worse"?
I'm really curious because on the house side, this is worse that '94.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:42 AM
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21. 1994. Republicans got control of the House AND Senate
It is difficult to claim that losing the house and keeping the senate is "worse" than losing both chambers.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:46 AM
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23. The loss in the House is bigger
The final numbers on the senate aren't in yet. But we haven't had at "controlling majority" in the senate at all.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:06 AM
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32. The size of the loss doesn't matter if
they didn't get a veto-proof majority. You're making a mistake thinking the size of the swing really means anything. It doesn't.

And we'll be FINE in the senate. It's virtually impossible to get a controlling majority there anymore. Unless the rules change.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:31 AM
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40. We'll get nothing passed
The size "matters". The greater the majority, the less than any one member can screw around with things. It empowers the leadership.

But keep whistling past the grave yard.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:09 AM
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6. I agree
But it is like this here every election so far.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:09 AM
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7. None of what you folks have said
Negates my point. In 2006 and 2008, the Repugs thought their world had ended. Oh, the horror of it all. Now they're working their way back. Just as WE will.

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:10 AM
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8. It did not happen in 2002, nor 2004
:shrug: and such a HUGE loss of seats has some meaning besides just off setting Power...
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:12 AM
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10. The Dems made gains then
And winning a single house -- the weaker of the two -- doesn't mean as much as the doomsayers are suggesting.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:17 AM
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12. Look at the people who got elected. Look at some of those who lost.
It couldn't be much worse.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:01 AM
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26. It could be a HELL OF A LOT worse
and then some.

We had eight years or much, much, much worse and we survived.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:23 AM
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17. These are the most disgusting republicans ever
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 10:23 AM by niceypoo
They are fueled by paranoia and cowardice. They are total assholes. They will be trying to impeach him for 'healthcare' and 'bailouts'. America gets what it deserves.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:01 AM
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27. More disgusting the Joe McCarthy? I don't think so. nt
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:46 AM
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41. Joe McCarthy was one guy
This is the WHOLE GOP

Do the math...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:24 AM
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18. This was a curb stomping not seen since 1948.
Please don't minimize this disaster.

This was not merely "party in power loses midterm seats."
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:02 AM
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28. In ONE House. ONE. The curb stomping of 1994 was much more brutal. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:03 AM
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29. No, it wasn't. Ignoring known facts doesn't help your position.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-10 11:04 AM by TexasObserver
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:08 AM
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34. Known facts:
IN 1994, we lost control of both houses. Both houses.

How is that not worse that losing one house? Especially when that loss does not include a veto-proof majority?

Damn, the pessimism here is staggering. No wonder we lost.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:14 AM
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39. The House loss was the worst since 1948. That's a fact.
What makes it worse is this: President Obama is no Truman, and he's no Clinton. Obama has unemployment at nearly 10%. In 1994, the economy was much more solid than now.

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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 12:22 PM
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42. Oh, please
We gave back what we gained in 2006 and 2008. Obama inherited a MESS and he's done pretty well so far in starting to clean it up.

There are no miracles. Name one person who could be doing a better job right now. Realistically. Someone who could have gotten the cooperation of both parties, both houses, and the public at the same time.

Obama is doing just about as well as can be expected. And he now has a scapegoat if things get worse.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 12:35 PM
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43. Oh, bullshit.
The president spent the past two years making unnecessary concessions to the GOP and alienating his constituents. When we needed a second stim package and another jobs program, we got a cat food aka deficit commission, instead.

He gave away his mandate by being indecisive and weak. If he had been strong enough to push through his agenda, instead of allowing the GOP to set the agenda, we would not have suffered such huge losses. This is HIS loss. He did this. People who voted for him two years ago repudiated the party he heads.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:15 PM
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45. I find it funny that
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 10:16 PM by LawnLover
you blame the President for GOP stonewalling and Blue Dog chicanery. HE DID NOT HAVE THE VOTES to do what he wanted to do, yet he managed to squeeze them out for some historic legislation.

Jesus, what were you expecting? That he'd wave a magic wand and suddenly make Washington work differently?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:32 AM
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19. Dude, we lost to BATSHIT CRAZY.
That takes a "talent" of a special kind. Imagine of the GOPers'd had more sane candidates -- the loss would have been even larger.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:59 AM
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24. The GOP has been batshit crazy for as long as I can remember
So what else is new?

We got a few teabaggers, yeah, but they'll be relegated to the back of the bus, pronto.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:06 AM
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31. Well, we'll never know for sure. One thing though...
is that there are a LOT of batshit crazy people out there. I have 2 teabagger sisters and 1 teabagger fundamentalist preacher brother who uses his megachurch (that comes with preschool through college) to spread the teabagger word.

But I get your horrifying point. :hi:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 10:37 AM
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20. It could have been so much better...
If Obama crushed the repugs under his heel while they were down instead of nursing them back to health with his ignorant quest for bipartisanship.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:00 AM
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25. Yep. Thanks for saying it. K&R
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:09 AM
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35. We can't win every time. I have a feeling after two years of
a Republican house, 2012 will be our year again. I hold on to that thought...
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 11:11 AM
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37. Absolutely. nt.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 02:35 PM
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44. ...
:thumbsup:
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