I'm a Democrat. And Barack Obama is my President. I'm stickin'...

[Aristus]

Any friend of mine who suggests the President should receive a primary challenge will be de-friended.

I'm stickin'.

I am an old Abrams tanker. And we do not stop moving forward just because we run into opposition.

I'm stickin'.

I am a liberal. And liberals do not give up simply because the bad guys have an illusion of superiority.

I'm stickin'.

I am a Christian. And we do not run from evil.

I'm stickin'.

Who's with me? Because we cannot do it alone...

[Drale]

1. What I want is a democratic party that is united

[csziggy]

5. Uh, check out my sig line - Democrats are not by nature united

:rofl: I had a typo of "untied" instead of "united".

[readmoreoften]

11. I want one that has a recognizable platform that opposes the right.

[Egnever]

37. Never gonna happen

Dems embrace and recognize their diversity and it is impossible to get such diversity to march in lockstep.

[BlueDemKev]

2. +1

I'm with you....100% behind President Obama.

[nosmokes]

3. can't be a liberal and a democrat. not these days.

[thecrow]

4. He IS our President and needs our support

and that includes RESPECT from the pundits like KKKarl.
I heard him on the tv last night saying our President "needed to be stopped".
What kind of respect is that? I saw it as treason.

[Drale]

6. Republicans have never hesitated to use terms like traitor

and I think its time we start as well because Rove is clearly a traitor and I think Rand Paul is one as well.

[kelly1mm]

8. Did you support Bush when he was President? I think lots of things

Bush did needed to be stopped and I don't think many here respected Bush when he was in office.

[CommonSensePLZ]

17. Bush didn't support anyone here

I honestly believe he HATES liberals, remember the debates with John Kerry?

He was a divisive bully, who along with Rove, Cheney and Fox News played divide and conquer games ruthlessly, calling people un-American, shouting down opposition, no respect for gay rights, strongly Democrat versus Republican, the concept of bi-partisanship might as well have been a fairy tale. I didn't respect him, don't respect him now.

In fact I saw that clip of that guy throwing shoes at him and it's STILL funny!

[thecrow]

35. No, I did not Support Bush

But I waited for 2008 without saying he should be overthrown.... without racial slurs and allusions
to impeachment. I think that he is now a war criminal who should be sent to answer to the Hague.

That's my point. We live today in a very divided country.
Is it's up to the Teabaggers we should have a civil war!
I just want there to be civil discourse, because the American citizen is suffering.

[emilyg]

10. Same respect that we

gave Bush.

[readmoreoften]

12. +1. If he wants to move even further to the right. I'll give him the respect I give to the right.

Zero.

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. My President, Right or Wrong?

Would that apply to all pResidents?

[CakeGrrl]

7. I'm there. I'm not shouting "primary" at the drop of a hat.

[Rex]

9. Actually you done walked out and are now neck deep in quicksand.

Your illusion of a'sticken is a'sinkin fast. If someone offers a BETTER CHOICE then Obama, I am obviously going to go for that person. To say otherwise is stupid, lockstep Tom-foolery.

[nosmokes]

13. really! WTF is up w/ politician worship? not a GD single one of 'em is

worth pissin on if s/he's on fire. even the ones i like would sell their mother out for higher office. and the only interests they have at heart are their own. truly.

[Rex]

14. Dunno, I've never worshiped any politician and think most are

worthless once they reach the national level. At one time, people expected politicians to impress them - not the other way around.

[gkhouston]

27. To abandon the President within a few days of the midterms is equally foolish.

If I see a better choice, I'll take it. But let's be realistic: we've just hit a bad place in the road, one that we saw coming and expected, but a bad place nonetheless. The sensible thing to do is not react emotionally in the immediate aftermath of that event. There's time yet to see how the President handles the challenge of dealing with a Republican House and I don't see any viable challengers declaring themselves. That the President appeared to be thinking about what had happened in his presser yesterday puts him light years beyond a lot of politicians in my estimation. The lessons he takes away from the midterms and how he chooses to act on them will make all the difference.

[walldude]

38. +1

IF Obama spends the next two years trying to work with Republicans who are out to Impeach him, then I would rather see Dean or Hillary on our ballot.

[Scurrilous]

15. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Number23]

19. +1

:thumbsup:

[Scurrilous]

31. ...

:hi:

[applegrove]

16. I noticed that this thread has many unrecs. No doubt our freeper/troll/gop friends

who want to see the democrats eat their own.

[donheld]

20. Or Democrats who don't see the President supporting us.

Where suppose to support him while he fucks us over.

[applegrove]

39. I guess.

[CommonSensePLZ]

18. I don't believe in being owned by a party

I'm independent, which for the price of not getting to vote in primaries allows me to criticize any politician who's full of it. Party loyalty can be abused like the republicans have to defend crooks because you have a political affiliation in common, which essential can make political parties like gangs. I'm mad the the 2 main ones also.

I think Obama's better than anyone likely to be selected by the republicans, I think the republicans are selfish, unconcerned with the people and care more about their money than they care about protecting "the more perfect union" Franklin and Jefferson tried to make, so I do generally support Obama, but the democrats need to decide if we are going to support him or pick someone else to support, all this whining's not gonna get us anywhere.

[tiptoe]

22. K&R!

[oldlib]

23. President Obama

has my support because he is the only Democratic President that we have, there are no other options.

[Fruittree]

24. Agreed and with you 100%!!

[Aristus]

25. I see understandable dissention in this thread.

I can sympathize, if not necessarily agree.

President Obama is not the unabashed liberal we would all like him to be. But he is by far the most progressive President since Jimmy Carter. And the republican party he is dealing with today is far more reactionary, far more greedy, far less intelligent, and far more prone to use violent rhetoric against their opponents than the republicans Carter had to deal with.

Pride in the things the President has accomplished so far is not worshipfulness. It is not blindness. It is a recognition of the fact that he is smart, capable, patient, rational, and subtle.

I'm stickin' with a President like that. I won't take my toys and go home. And I won't prop up an orthodox liberal who has no chance whatsoever to get elected and foster profound change.

Anti-Obama Democrats, I understand you. But I don't agree with you.

I'm stickin'.

[jillan]

26. I'm with you.

[ourbluenation]

32. me too. oh hell yes. n/t

[Peacetrain]

28. Loving that!! I am with you

[onpatrol98]

29. Primary would be disastrous...

A primary would be disastrous. Who in their right mind would expect to win by primarying (sp) the first black president of the United States of America? Not only would the opponent lose AND LOSE BADLY...but the rift it would create within the democratic party would be horrible. During the last legitimate primary, a rift between Clinton and Obama supporters created the Pumas. Could you imagine what would happen if the current sitting president had a primary challenger?

What democrat would want that nightmare? President Obama is still a popular president. Some of his policies have not been popular. Who would primary a popular president?

After Tuesday's disastrous showing, the country would perceive a primary challenge as a party in disarray. We would essentially be handing over the presidency to republicans by weakening our president AND THE CHALLENGER.

What ONE reason would we give for even wanting a primary challenger? Which reason would be big enough to justify a primary challenge? We don't like "some" of his policies.

I don't think a primary challenge would be wise at all. Of course, I didn't think spending two years on healthcare and the 1200 pg. bill was wise, while Americans were saying, we need jobs. But, I really think the quicker the media stops suggesting the possibility of primary challengers, the better for our party.

What constituency would support this primary challenge beyond DU? I'm in utter belief that anyone thinks this has any chance of succeeding to do anything but getting democrats thrown out of the White House. Not to mention...every democrat up for election next time would be asked...Which democrat do you support?

Disastrous, disastrous, disastrous...

[hfojvt]

30. you know me

I am almost always reminded of an old song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwNVJIcg7k&ob=av2e

[Ignis]

33. "I am a Christian. And we do not run from evil."

So...towards it, rather? :shrug:

Which religions, exactly, do "run from evil?"

[Aristus]

34. Nowhere in my OP did I say "All other religions run toward evil."

Go on. Read it. Read my OP. It's okay.

I said that about Christianity because that is my religion. I wasn't being exclusionary. But something tells me you know actually know that. Trying to stir up trouble, I suppose.

I will stand side-by-side with my Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, and atheist brothers to defeat the evil represented by the repukes. You are welcome to join me. But don't post crap when you knew exactly what I was saying. (See how I am crediting you with intelligence and perception there?)

[Ignis]

36. Read it? Hell, I quoted from it.

But thanks for the insulting implication. I'm sure it's what Jesus would do. :eyes:

You've made the assertion that Christians don't run from evil. That's the point I'm addressing. You're welcome to tilt against windmills strawmen if you like, but I haven't claimed you said that all other religions do anything.

It's quite facile to claim now that you weren't "being exclusionary," and that the fault lies with the reader. But that abdication of all responsibility conveniently overlooks the reality that it's painfully easy to infer exclusion from your words.

Let's try a few examples, shall we?

"I'm a man. And we don't blubber like babies when we don't get our way."
-- You might not mean to imply that women do, but that's how it reads.

"I'm an American. And we don't torture our prisoners of war."
-- You might not mean to imply that other nations do, but that's how it reads.

Look, it's quite easy to write poorly (or at least opaquely) when one is writing on an emotional topic. What's difficult is learning to take criticism of one's writing without taking the criticism personally and lashing out at anyone who dares to point out one's imperfections.

Best of luck. :hi:

[AndrewP]

40. Actually, this thread is an example of why I love being a Democrat

Getting us all on the same page is like herding cats. LOL.

I support the President at this time, and I don't think it's a good idea to run a primary challenge against him.


BUT....

He does need to actually be a Democrat and fight back.

I'm loyal to the party as long as their is a home for liberals in it.

[adnelson60087]

41. I've been a Democrat since the days of Jimmy Carter

and I feel Obama is not the man for the job. He doesn't fight for us and all of those who have no to speak for them. He'll get my support when he shows me something. If not, we need someone who can get the job done.

[HipChick]

42. Primary the President, and guarantee a Republican Presidency