Why Prop 19 will never pass.

[MiddleFingerMom]

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And, yes I do think it's a fundamental no-brainer issue that should
have been resolved with legalization fucking DECADES ago.
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But... here's while it will never pass.
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It may never pass... but why don't you stop Bogartin' 'em and pass those Doritos? ... ... ... Dude.
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[exboyfil]

1. I think the pot growers lobby against it

Reduce their cash crop if everyone was growing it legally in their back yard.

By the way, I think it should be legal. I personally have only took a couple of puffs in my life (did inhale) when I was in my early teens, but my dad grew it for years. I think he had some crazy notion about getting rich off it. I am really not sure what he did with it. I didn't know what it was until my brother pointed it out, and my dad was growing it on land not his own when we lived in the South.

In California it would be easy for folks to grow it in their backyards or on their balconies.

[Cleita]

5. You are right there and the

clinics that provide Med. MJ letters.

[flamingdem]

13. I know they lobby against it cuz it would cut into their profit nt

[leftstreet]

2. LOL

[Naturyl]

3. LOL... kind of sterotyped, though.

I've known weed smokers who were like that - and ones who weren't. There were just as many hyperactive, "git'r'done" weed smokers as the stereotypical "munch Cheetos" ones. I've even known weed smokers who got mean and semi-violent when high. It does happen.

[HopeHoops]

10. To be fair, I DID take all of my college finals while totally shitfaced, graduated Magna Cum Laude..

I also took all of the Fall semester finals wearing a Santa hat and all of my Spring finals wearing some other weird hat - last semester it was a Goofy hat (ears and everything). It at least introduced some comic relief.

One thing pot does is to make you very focused on whatever you are doing. That is good if it is important work like finals, but not so good if it is trying to stack as many beer bottle caps as possible on the cat while it is sleeping - especially if you really should be doing something productive. It sort of cuts both ways.

I was often the only one to solve the more challenging math problems on our homework (400 level courses) and while I probably would have done it anyway, five or six bong hits sort of put me in "the zone" and all that existed was the problem to be solved. One of the Complex Analysis problems took three blackboards of fairly tiny print to present to the class - I was the only one who found the solution. It only took like ten hours to solve (for one fucking problem). By comparison (obviously relative to the material), the other problems on the assignment were simple shit.

[Dappleganger]

16. Wrote some of my best papers in the cloud...

when I read them today I have absolutely no idea where that creativity went!

[HopeHoops]

28. Hell, I can't even UNDERSTAND some of the papers I wrote back then.

I still got top marks on them. If you read them carefully, you can actually tell what's going on, but the material is fading without my notes and text books - which are mostly in a box in the basement. I was into some pretty technical shit back then.

[MiddleFingerMom]

11. I used to know a lot of smokers...

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...but only two who were high pretty much 24/7 who were hyperactive,
"git-r-done" types... and both were successful artists - one a painter, one
worked in stained glass(?!?!?!?!). And BOTH were extremely, EXTREMELY
nice people (imagine that).
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The vast majority of the smokers I knew were pretty-much fully functional
and productive -- but pot tended to make them less so than they probably
would have been... although that wasn't necessarily a BAD thing (much more
healthy level of stress and anxiety as a whole).
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I know some people still have the capacity for meanness and violence when
stoned... but they were almost certainly mean and violent at their core,
anyway. I think your term 'semi-violent' is appropriate -- probably LESS
violent than they would have been without it. I've NEVER seen pot do to
people what some (usually) hard liquors like whiskey or tequila do to some
folks (who would be much better off, as would those around them) not
drinking at ALL) in bringing out their hidden angers and general assholishness.
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[Dappleganger]

17. You last paragraph is most definitely true...

as my mother used to say, "Ain't nothing you see in a drunk today that wasn't in his sober self yesterday."

[musiclawyer]

29. In CA virtually everyone uses cannabis

I can name two doctors, two lawyers besides me, cops, etc.. I can then get two friends to put together their own list and...........in matter of minutes the three of us can come up with 50 names of able bodied, high functioning professionals who like bud.... Why?

Because it's not heavy, caloric, and judgment impairing like alcohol and it makes sex better, not worse like alcohol..... That's one vantage point. There are many others.

Can I list a few stoners who are not high functioning and work wage jobs? Yes. But I'd rather have them home eating doritos than out in bar and then getting into a car.

It will be legal. It's inevitable

[Rex]

4. Ah yes, the 'potheads are lethargic, slobbish

umm...what where we talking about again? :smoke:

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6. LOL!

[HopeHoops]

7. K&R

[HopeHoops]

8. The Prop 19 supporters should have set up tables with free Oreos and Doritos.

That would have worked! :smoke: :hippie:

[SammyWinstonJack]

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[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. can you see your brain when you roll your eyes like that?

:shrug:

:smoke:

[Le Taz Hot]

14. The first time I heard that "joke"

I laughed so hard I almost knocked the slats out of my crib. :eyes: Seriously, there are several reasons it didn't pass -- none of which have anything to do with your sophomoric and juvenile post.

[MiddleFingerMom]

20. I'm sorry, Dad... I won't do it again. Consider me well and properly chastised. I, um... promise.

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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To paraphrase Robin Williams in "Good Morning, Vietnam":
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You are in more dire need of a joint than any person in history.
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[Le Taz Hot]

24. I've had my breakfast roll already

today but thanks anyway. Oh, yeah, and last I checked? No hangy downy thingy between the legs. See how utterly wrong you can be?

[MiddleFingerMom]

25. uh... again... you've chastised me. you've chastised me REAL good.

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A bit cranky for having had a, what was that juvenile and sophomoric term you used, a "breakfast roll"?
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I like you. You're cool. Hip, even.
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Go ahead. CRUSH me now. I'm baked... um... done. You'll get no more backtalk from me... Mom.
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[Le Taz Hot]

26. You call that chastisement?

You're new, aren't you? (Ask around.)

May you live long enough to acquire the wisdom we all deserve from you. :evilgrin:

[MiddleFingerMom]

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[montanto]

15. Another problem is the myth that

stoners sit around watching southpark and eating doritos instead of going out to vote. I know a lot of stoners. I don't know any unproductive, irresponsible stoners however (unless I count 16 year olds, who can't vote anyway).

The reason prop 19 didn't pass is because it was a bad. I voted for it, but I had to put down my remote and my bag of chips and hold my stoned nose to do so.

[JackRiddler]

18. One or the other: Marijuana legal, or a Mexican civil war with spillover into the States.

[Occulus]

23. I personally am hoping for the latter.

It is the ONLY thing that will force the former.

We have tried reason.

We have tried statistics.

We have tried appeals to industry.

We have tried appeals to common sense.

We have tried appeals to the legal authorities.

We have tried appeals to basic sanity.

None of that has worked.

As with the airline and auto industries, the ONLY thing that will make cannabis legal and regulated is if American citizens start dying due to lack of regulation.

Our entire country has had a severe and deeply sadistic graveyard mentality across all its industries throughout its history. Nothing ever gets done until people start dying. Once American citizens begin being killed in masses by Mexican drug cartels, we will regulate cannabis to break their backs, but that regulation will not happen until scores, or hundreds, of American citizens die at the hands of those same cartels.

I hate to put it that way, but it's the only way cannabis legalization will ever happen. The 60% profits from cannabis the cartels currently enjoy will never be an issue until American deaths force it to be seriously discussed in Congress.

[lonestarnot]

19. It will not pass because there is an entire economy based on imprisoning anyone having anything to

do with it.

[Rex]

21. +1 x100

Nailed it.

[MiddleFingerMom]

22. BINGO! The sad thing is there could be a much more positive, BIGGER economy based on its use. n/t