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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:05 AM
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Aravosis nails it...

or at least he's put into words the reply i've wanted to make every time some ----------- here tells me the best way to be a good Democrat is to not criticize our President.

Check out this nugget in a story about whether Howard Dean might challenge Obama in 2012:

"But the big issue is compromise. Obama actually wants to get things done. Which means he has to compromise with Republicans and has to risk angering and losing his liberal base. That makes him vulnerable to attack from the left, which is where Dean now stands."

Just stop it. Seriously. Stop it.

No one, and I mean no one, is saying that compromise is unnecessary, evil, or unacceptable. What we are saying, what we have been saying all along, is that President Obama has this thing about giving away the shop as his opening move in a negotiation, and then when the Republicans don't budge, he gives away some more until his proposal is a shell of its former self, then the Republicans all vote against it anyway.

Let me repeat, Mr. Simon. The big issue isn't compromise. It's weakness. It's the notion that appeasement works. The naive idea that when negotiating in politics, the best thing to do, right out the gate, is to cave. It's not. Sometimes you can fight for things and actually win. And finally, if you find you really can't win by fighting alone, then you compromise. But you don't unilaterally disarm and expect the other guy to do the same out of some bizarre sense of genteel reciprocity. That's what the President does, and that is why so many of us are so annoyed with him.



My wife was a Union President and negotiator and the Health Care debacle made her cringe. Unfortunately this "negotiating technique" has saddled most of our legislation. Ineptitude all around.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:28 AM
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1. Ding Ding Ding
Hit the nail on the head indeed.
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:13 PM
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2. Yes, this is what I have been trying to say..thanks for the words ...
that make sense.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:14 PM
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3. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:14 PM
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4. Exactly.
K&R
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:19 PM
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5. Simple as this.. if you are a Democrat with a complaint.. good deal
If you are not Democrat and you are pushing a primary the President.. that goes no where.

Democrats gather together as a Party..We have a party platform..

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 01:18 PM
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6. not trying to Primary him...
i just want him to listen to his supporters.

:shrug:

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