They have fucking declared war on Obama - McConnell right this minute is

[gateley]

giving a speech saying the same shit, reiterating that job #1 is to get rid of Obama (we have to put someone in the WH who will not veto our moves), the WH is saying they are open to extending the Bush tax cuts? WTF? They're saying, again, "I got your compromise right here". They are saying there IS no compromise.

What can we do to get him to fight back?

[lonestarnot]

1. Pugs before America the new goal for Grand ol Party of Perverts.

Don't they fight their own faces on its face?

[LiberalEsto]

2. Step 1: Switch his brain with Howard Dean's brain

Step 2: Stand back and watch the fur fly

[BeyondGeography]

3. It's a dumbassed speech for a dumbassed country

And makes it pretty easy for Obama to treat the next two years as his reelection campaign.

[elleng]

39. GOOD ONE! in fact, FORCED to treat next 2 years as re-elect campaign!

[jgraz]

4. They declared war on Obama the day he won the nomination.

Obama has yet to notice. :banghead:

[gateley]

31. I know! But after the loss of the House and Obama's speech to say he wants to

work WITH them (as opposed to saying - just try to get something signed, assholes) -then they reiterate this and the WH is willing to consider extending the tax cuts? It's fucking surreal.

If someone treated his wife or daughters like they're treating him he'd go for the jugular.

[alfredo]

87. If Obama didn't say he is willing to work with them, they

could accuse him as the obstructionist, not them. Grab the high ground and do not relinquish it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. With his help. Did Obama state that if his policies failed or failed to pass, he wouldn't seek

a second term? I think he helped in that regard.

[Overseas]

85. That's why I am thinking I must be naive-- Dems must have wanted to lose.

Millions of Americans crossed party lines in 2008 to vote for the Party of FDR because they knew how badly the GOP had destroyed our country.

Democrats surely knew that frightened people want a strong team to defend them. Dems surely knew that the GOP would have come storming in, not compromising one iota, if they had a mandate like the Dems had in 2008.

The GOP has feared FDR for ages because his programs and policies helped rebalance the economy and put people back to work and reigned in the reckless big finance boys of his time. They hated FDR and tried for years to undo all his work and yet MILLIONS voted for the party of FDR. They wanted help. They needed help.

We were counting on the Democrats storming in to insist on "Medicare for All because our people are suffering the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression! We can't have them evicted from their homes and bankrupted by medical expenses in these times of national crisis! We will not let that happen!"

And instead we got capitulation-- we got compromise-- we got begging for votes from the idiots who had crashed our economy.

And while the begging was going on, the rabid right billionaires funded fake grass roots teabagging to crush any attempts at compromise.

We knew Republicans would not compromise. So I must have been really naive thinking the Democrats wanted to regain power for generations to come by putting our country on a more solid, compassionate long term course. They must have been hoping they'd get mountains of campaign cash by compromising, even though we know that compromising with bullies just empowers them to hold out for even more power.

[tomp]

5. presidential veto has no relevance....

...if dems in the senate hold together, because there will be no bill to veto if dems in the senate hold together.

prediction: they won't.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Well that depends on how progressive/liberal.......

what's left of the Senate Dems are. That might be one advantage to losing so many seats. The ones that are left might BE left.

[luckyleftyme2]

6. use the power of the veto

the fact is the senators that are democrat need to just say no when it comes to giving the rich more tax breaks!they need to close ranks behind the president!
that's how the repugs got the vote! they stuck together! and for those democrats that think they won't lose their seats if they don't back Obama! they will lose their seats! in two years time if the republicans don't produce they are gone!
it worked for them ! they don't have the votes to override a veto! I for one will not vote for anyone that doesn't back the president!
hey bossman USE THE VETO!

[gateley]

33. I totally back him -- I think so highly of him, but I swear I want to give him a

good talking to and say - fight back! Kick ass! Stop being so REASONABLE!

[LiberalCatholic]

7. We need to start referring to it as what it is...

political lynching. Never in my life (42 years but I remember 7 presidencies due to my very politically active parents- 1 Dem & 1 Republican)have I seen such vitriolic hatred for a president. This is because the black guy should be cleaning the oval office floor, not sitting at the desk. I am disgusted and it is high time that we start calling the bigots out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. We have

Clinton

This is the same hate, for other reasons, but chiefly, he had a D behind his name

[gateley]

35. I often think they wouldn't have the balls to go as far as they have if he were White.

Although they WERE horrific with Clinton, they have extra outrage because Obama is Black. I totally agree. At first I didn't believe it was racism. After all, we elected him and I think all people feel as I do, but more and more it became obvious. Now I see racism behind just about every attack or statement.

[Hydra]

70. It's not racism

Racism is a form of ignorance and fear.

This is a nest of vipers coming out for dinner. This is cold, calculated, and will be deadly...even as they whip up the stupid who ARE racist or think he's a Muslim(Hello! He's as acidly Christian as the people accusing him).

[gateley]

74. I honestly think several of those educated, experienced vipers ARE racist and

that just fuels their venom.

[Hydra]

97. Elitist? Definitely

Hateful? Also definitely. Hate Obama because black? Not so much.

In fact, I don't think they hate him at all. He does all of these silly triangulations to get Corp support, and not only does he do things the Republicans wish they could pull off(HRC), the Grand old Perverts get to say they defended the country against it AND they still get the corp donations!

From their perspective, "With enemies like him, who needs friends?"

[kwolf68]

98. Part of me agrees and disagrees

Anyone remember how John Kerry was treated?

While I don't deny there is a racist element to it,

These people DESPISE Democrats. They believe Obama and his ilk (black or white) are traitors and should be stopped at any costs.

I also think playing the race card muddies the issue that these people are generally psychotic and inordinately inane. They border on being a danger to their fellow citizens and this President.

[EnviroBat]

36. I have been saying that for almost two years now...

Agreed 100% This is no longer a government that represent the people. It's a high-school football game. It sucks, and we should be rioting in the streets and arresting Congressmen.

[Fruittree]

48. This is what my family and I have been thinking too but..

what can we do? I want to do something because I'm so disgusted but I don't know what to do..

[Dappleganger]

8. Get a big box of black sharpies

to keep on Obama's desk.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. But but, he still wants to compromise!!!!!

He'd better get it through his head. These people are his ENEMIES... and you do not invite your ENEMIES for dinner.

Sadly I don't expect it.

And this is why they say Lib'ruls (and he is not) have no spine.

[Spike89]

16. He's saying he's open to compromise...

Hopefully he understands that there will be none. What else can he say at this time? If he comes off all defiant and vows to shut down government, well, that didn't work out well for the Gingrich repubs back in the 90s. I've got to believe he's positioning himself to look like the reasonable one and letting the frothing mad dogs come off as the no-answer losers that they are.

[kentuck]

19. I hope you are right.

We will know soon enough. If not, the President is about to lose the support of most of the progressives in his Party and he cannot win without them.

[RobinA]

26. Except That...

He's been positioning himself to look like the reasonable one for two years now and it hasn't worked. As a former boss told me when I complained to him that no matter what I and my fellow social workers did everyone complained that we didn't do something else, "That makes you free to do what you think is right." Obama needs to realize this. Which is not easy, believe me.

[glitch]

88. "That makes you free to do what you think is right." Good advice.

The sooner people get to that point in their lives, the happier (and more effective) they are.

[malaise]

12. To fight back is to bombard M$Greedia with

the increasing gap between rich and poor and to declare that Democrats are on the side of the poor.

To fight back is to state clearly that you will not compromise to continue the failed Bush tax cuts because of the so called deficits that supposedly mattered to RETHUGS only when they were out of office.

To fight back is to bombard M$Greedia with blogs showing why government's role in the economy is necessary

TO fight back is to stand up for ideological principles that once mattered to Democrats including workers' rights.

Put simply Dems have to be as aggressive regarding their principles as ReTHUGS are for power and money.

[OhioBlue]

15. great points!! n/t

[Poboy]

20. Yes. He won't do any of that of course, but yes. -nt

[gateley]

38. +1! nt

[felix_numinous]

64. +1 Whoa, nice

:thumbsup:

[malaise]

68. Thanks

Love your username :hi:

[no_hypocrisy]

13. Obama could publicly support 100% of the republican programs and McConnell

would still want to waste time getting him out of the WH by 2012 or sooner.

[malaise]

17. McConnell has not only said it publicly

but defended his position that the #1 goal of the ReTHUG party is making him a one term president.

Obama should state publicly that Dems have already achieved one of their goals - keeping the Senate and ensuring that Mitch remains minority leader.

[newspeak]

89. isn't Mcconnell the one that had the little meeting

with Chase and Goldman Sachs. It seems the big boys want no regulation so they can do their little ponzi schemes again and we can foot the bill, again. What a great heist at the expense of the taxpayers. Hey teabaggers, how you liking a more "free" wall street so they can screw you again?

Oh wait, they want to privatize social security so their little greedy immoral friends can use even more of our money to burn.

[gateley]

40. You are absolutely 100% correct. No matter what we give them, it will never

be enough or the right thing.

[stellanoir]

14. hmmm

If there *must* be some kind of compromise on the tax cut

with these selfish-short-sighted dolts they maybe could settle on a 500 grand cap.

Doubling it is more than enough.

Quadrupling it to a million is a complete and total over reach and maybe it's someone else's turn to get humbled.

sheesh

posted that on another thread and got this response. . .

"Extend the Bush Tax Cut to the Bottom 99 Percent, But Not The Top 1 Percent

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3, 2010

Expect the President to be under more pressure to give in to Republican demands that the Bush tax cut be extended to everyone — not just the bottom 98 percent but also the the top 2 percent, earning over $250K.

He should respond by offering this olive branch: Extend the Bush tax cuts to the bottom 99 percent — to families earning less than half a million dollars.

But not to the top 1 percent.

The top 1 percent now gets almost a quarter of the nation’s total income — a larger share than at any time since the 1920s. The top 1 percent have also received about 40 percent of the benefits of the Bush tax cuts.

The “Not for the Top 1 Percent” olive branch will draw a clear line in the sand. If Republicans won’t accept the offer, let them threaten to raise everyone else’s taxes in order to get a sweet deal for their patrons at the very top."

http://robertreich.org/post/1471662081

[kentuck]

18. I disagree.

The top 1% cannot pay for the needs of this government. 250K is too high. No taxes equals no government. It is simply going along with the Repubs in their pursuit to drown or destroy our government.

[malaise]

22. You are absolutely correct

:hi:

[Lance_Boyle]

25. 'Not for the top 1 percent' is capitulation, not compromise.

$250K is the "clear line in the sand" and has been since 2008. What is anyone supposed to do with two clear lines in the sand?

[gateley]

41. I love how that is framed -- who on earth could find fault with that? nt

[BrklynLiberal]

21. More compromise is the only answer I have heard from the WHite House.

:puke:

Kind of like an abused child still wanting the love of the abusing parent.

[Marr]

32. Yep. And that means basically pushing more Republican/corporate legislation.

Of course, that brand of policy will only make things worse for the great majority of the country while enriching the few at the top, and in two years, the Republicans will point at the results of *their own* policies and say Obama needs to be removed for it.

Unfortunately, Team Obama painted themselves into a corner with all their too-clever-by-half triangulation, and we all get to pay the price for their craven political maneuvering. They can either continue selling out and assure that Obama is a one-term president, or they can dig in their heels, get nothing done for the next two years, and spend all their time blaming the country's woes on obstructionist Republicans. Those are their choices. Either way, the majority in this country gets screwed.

[BrklynLiberal]

60. You hit the nail right on the head. ...Sadly.

[w8liftinglady]

23. hmmm...maybe show him this?WARNING

...from stormfront on the election

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t753477/

Is the era of White guilt finally over?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm starting to have hope that the era of White guilt which began in the mid 60's may finally becoming to an end. This may be the only good thing about Obama's election in 2008. Europeans Americans now solidly oppose immigration legal and illegal. Tommorow I predict 60% plus percent of Whites will vote against the government. The rapid growth of Stormfront since 2005 has also been telling. I know WN's who still won't join because they think Stormfront is a Jewish CIA front believe it or not.

MUCH more at site.

[AndrewP]

24. I'd say let's hit him on the chin, but he doesn't have one

[GSLevel9]

27. Why is everyone so butt-hurt?

This is politics, business as usual. So you want to know why the Pubs are acting like John Wayne on the Hill? Because that's what the voters that just put them there really want. So there they are on TV grandstanding and throwing red meat to their base.

There's nothing new here, one party rule is unheard of... So get used to the mouthy little fucks.

[leeroysphitz]

28. Step 1: Primaries.

Step 2: Primaries.
Step 3: Primaries.
etc...

You will never get what you want from your elected officials until you refuse to vote for people that GO OUT OF THEIR fucking way to do the wrong thing.

[Qutzupalotl]

29. Obama has an easier target now.

Before, when we "controlled" the Senate, it was hard to point out the filibustering (that rule takes time to explain). Now that Boehner will be expected to put forth sensible legislation (ha!), Obama can point to Republican *ideas* and pick them apart. I expect that he can do that well, and make his case well.

[Kalyke]

30. What do we do to fight him back? LET HIM SPEAK!

The American people - the majority of them, anyway - didn't sign up for this shit. They want a Congress to do SOMETHING for THEM.

They don't want endless impeachment hearings or nuanced policy bickering. They want jobs, they want affordable health care - or access to it, they want the rich to pay more taxes and they want to see something GOOD come out of the taxes they pay.

If Turtleman wants to start a penis-measuring contest, let him. The public will just dump on him in 2 to 4 years.

[mfcorey1]

37. Prez needs to operate like he does not give a damn about another four years and go after these

minions like white on rice.

[Jester Messiah]

42. Yeah, this site has declared war on him, too.

Maybe McConnell can come here and get some ammo.

[gateley]

46. Disagree. There are many of us who defend him and trust him regardless

of some decisions we don't agree with. I'm one of them and I'm not alone. Perhaps you're only seeing what you want to see..

[Jester Messiah]

51. Or perhaps I'm sick of the never-enough brigade's constant mewling

Seriously, it's like half the people here can't see the forest for their own particular tree. Yes, the man isn't perfect, and yes he should be more aggressive, but for fuck's sake! A random passerby would think this place was overrun with paid agitators, and maybe it is.

[gateley]

58. Yeah, it's discouraging and makes me angry. They seem to view everything

as all or nothing, and that's not real life. But there are SO MANY who support this man and we make our voices heard, too.

It seems as those hurling the "Obama apologist" crap are fewer these days.

You put it perfectly -- can't see the forest for their own particular tree.

[walldude]

84. Come back and talk when you don't have the right to serve

in the military. When you don't have protection against discrimination or when you can't get married.

It's pretty easy to sit there and talk shit when it's not your rights on the fucking table.

Tell me are you happy with Obama's speech? Issa is running around with a handful of subpoena's laughing maniacally and McConnell is all over the news saying the number one priority is to take down Obama.

Obama's response? I want to reach across the isle and work with Republicans... Yeah the sign of a true leader, cave in before the fight even starts.

I'm part of the "Never Enough" brigade and I'd much rather be there then the "it's ok as long as it's a Democrat fucking us over" brigade.

[Jester Messiah]

90. yeah yeah yeah... I'm not facing your problems so I don't get to comment?

Not happening. I'll "talk shit" all I please. If not for your incapability to see beyond your own set of issues (valid though they are) we might have been unified going into this bloodbath.

[Ganja Ninja]

43. Tough luck for Mr Bipartisanship.

I'm not going to shed any tears if they take him down.

[gateley]

49. I am. The guy is trying to do what's right. He's learning and I'm giving him

the benefit of the doubt. I trust him, I believe in him, and I'm still hopeful he'll see the light.

Despite thing things he does that disappoint me or piss me off, I think he's brought a lot to this country. I just want him to say "enough!"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. What can we do to get him to fight back?

Help the president bring down unemployment below eight percent by 1/12 or McConnell's prediction will become prophecy.

[gateley]

57. First I have to bring back the jobs that went overseas, have the big corporations

actually use some of the money they're sitting on to hire Americans, then we've got it licked. Simple. :shrug:

If you know how to do it, then tell us how we can help.

[Bitwit1234]

45. DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO DO THIS LISTEN ....

McConnell got thrown out of the military because he was caught with his hands down the pants of a fellow service man. Why don't we send emails and letters to the press, and just ask them if they know why McConnell got drummed out of the military. Tell them we do. And we should also send him a letter and tell him we all know why he got drummed out of the military and that we are going to start our own campaign. To make sure Obama gets a second term and that everybody in America knows why he got kicked out of the military....think that will shut his filthy mouth. BUT THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU PEOPLE WILL PUT YOU ACTIONS WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS. You accuse the Democrats in congress of not having a spine well DO YOU>???????????????????

[gateley]

53. I'd be more than happy to get behind that (no pun intended) -- if it's true.

I'm not willing to help create an uproar if it can be proven false. It's too bad to create a diversion, but if it's true we should go after him like they went after Clinton.

So, what do you have?

[JustAnotherGen]

80. I just used 'the google'

As Lil Bush would say. I see a lot of blog posts. Could we use the Freedom of Info Act to get that information? I have an ezine, it's a business. As an editor/publisher - I'm wondering if I could get hold of that . . . .

[Individualist]

47. DLC/NDC doesn't fight neocons; they appease them.

[gateley]

54. Well, then. Let's just give up. nt

[old mark]

50. Why should the GOP change their policies now that they have won the biggest

majority since the 1930's? They know what they have been doing costs them nothing and makes the Democrats and the President look stupid and cowardly. The GOPers have been successful doing this for 2 years, and they only have 2 more years to go. They don't care about anything but winning and destroying the Democratic Party and we have been foolish enough to help them do it.

I believe they will control it all after 2012, and we have not seen even the beginning of their craziness, violence or evil yet.

mark

[gateley]

55. I don't expect them to change, I think WE need to. Obama ran on being tough,

not "compromise". He did the pragmatic approach, ideally we would like government to run more like it did in days past, but It. Didn't. Work. Time for a new approach.

[old mark]

66. Time for a new liberal party - the Democrats are no longer for us.....nt

[Skidmore]

52. I just got a letter from Grassley, directly addressing one I sent to him

a month or so ago taking him to task for being a fully fledged member of the faction of NO in the Senate. He wrote me back telling me how bipartisan he has been, citing his work with Baucus on health care as the only example. I'm writing him back to ask him if he plans to be bipartisan in this congress or if he plans to spend all of his energy trying to help McConnell take the President out.

[gateley]

56. Well I must give him credit for actually addressing your letter, but that's a

pretty weak point of proof.

The irony of them saying that Obama has been partisan is beyond belief. I don't know how they can say it with straight faces, or if they've convinced themselves of that.

[we can do it]

59. We Should Just Be Nice To the Repubs At All Times

someday they will come to their senses and work with us. Also, we need to make sure not to offend the independents who can't make up their damn minds wtf they want.

[WinkyDink]

61. Surprise!

[grahamhgreen]

62. Shockers - this happened the day he was elected!

[pnorman]

63. Here's a recent DU thread that might be relevant here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x507338

[madville]

65. That's why they were elected

A majority of people in their districts and states wanted the repugs to obstruct and say no to everything our Democrats do, that's the repugs mandate, they won't be doing their jobs if they compromise. If they compromise or give in to the Democrats on anything they know they can kiss 2012 goodbye, they won't get their base to turnout, just like what happened to us a few days ago.

[B Calm]

67. I was hoping Obama would morph into a FDR, but I think there's no hope of that!

[McCamy Taylor]

69. Remember how high Clinton's approval ratings were in Oct. 2008?

Americans recognize a witch hunt when they see one. I am hoping that the GOP's rabid, racist base sends them so many inflammatory emails that they just kind of lose touch with the rest of America.

[Naturyl]

71. Well, this is the inevitable outcome of appeasement.

We all warned, and they didn't listen. Now it's piper-paying time.

[Iggo]

72. I haven't been able to get him to fight for anything.

I like the guy. He's better than what we've had recently, and better than anyone the reps can scrounge up.

I voted for him in '08, and if he's the nominee on '12, I'll vote for him again.

But I'm not fooling myself. He don't listen to me.

[Bryn]

73. Well, we don't know what they do behind the curtains

For all we know ..in front of us they pretend to fight, but in the back they're patting each other's back. They're One Same Party anyway since they all are the Corporate's servants. I know many of you hate this, but it's true.

[gateley]

75. I think that's how it may have been in the past, but this particular group is different.

They have more at stake than before -- more $$$, specifically.

I was thinking today he gives them hell at their meeting -- and that Biden is there with him!

[laughingliberal]

76. Now, now! We're supposed to be all compromisy with them.

:sarcasm:

[True_Blue]

77. So has the GOP revealed their plans yet to bring millions of jobs to America?

What happened to all their rhetoric about jobs, the economy ... etc.? 48 hrs after the election and the GOP haven't mentioned one word about job creation. Get ready for these fiscal conservatives to waste a lot tax payer money on frivolous investigations.

[AnArmyVeteran]

78. Arrrruuugggggghhhh! Frustrated at non-action & not fighting back.

[Name removed]

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[AsahinaKimi]

81. Republican Bullies need to be treated like most bullies...

Whatever it takes, to knock them down a peg.

[Initech]

82. Using facts against them is the only way to do it.

[AsahinaKimi]

83. as i said...

Whatever it takes.

[deacon]

86. Hey it's what the independents wanted. They voted for it, they got it. n/t

[ificandream]

91. If Obama was Christ, they wouldn't be happy

They will fight everything he does tooth and nail like squealing pigs. Then point up the fact he wasn't able to get anything done. (Because you wouldn't work with him, you dumb jerks.)

[Name removed]

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[inna]

93. Bread and circuses.

At least, the Romans used to get bread. :shrug:

[The Uncola]

94. I'll fight just as hard for Obama...

.. as he has for me and mine.

[NJmaverick]

95. K & R!

[CrispyQ]

96. The president isn't a fighter.

He makes pretty speeches & he goes along to get along.

This is what pisses me off so much about this guy - he doesn't fight. Everyone says that single payer wouldn't have passed, but how do we know when he never fought for it? He capitulated & compromised from the beginning & then basically remained silent all summer ('09)while the teabaggers took control of the message with their "gonna kill grandma" bullshit.

We have an orator, not a fighter, for president. Too bad. We needed a fighter.