I guess this administration has absolutely no idea what the definition of compromise is

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/40007621

Obama Open to Discussing Tax Cut Extension For All

President Barack Obama is open to the idea of discussing an extension of Bush-era tax cuts for all income levels, the White House said on Thursday.

Two days after congressional elections, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs signalled that Obama might consider a compromise with Republicans that would keep tax breaks not only for the middle-class but for wealthier Americans as well.

Hey, Mr. President. It is not a compromise when you give them exactly what they want and get absolutely nothing in return.

But I guess this is why they wanted to wait until after the elections to tackle this eventhough the majority of this country supports letting Bush Tax cuts on the top 2% expire. They didn't want to piss on the base any more until after we voted.

[emulatorloo]

1. Where does the story say Obama is giving them everything they want?

"Obama is open to the idea of discussing"

Why shouldn't he be "Open to the Idea of Discussing"?

Point one of his side of the discussion may be "Are you guys serious about deficit reduction? If you extend the tax cuts for the rich, you aren't"

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2. What is he requesting in return?

[Angry Dragon]

3. Nothing

[Skidmore]

4. And y'all know this how????

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6. Because Gibbs didn't say he would request anything in return.

This stupid game of "oh, we dont know what he will do" is absolutely horseshit. Before the elections when Obama said they wouldn't tackle taxes until after people like you were mkaing the same exact bullshit argument. Relax, we don't know their plan. Yes, we knew their plan, that they would extend them for everyone. And we were just proven right.

So stop pretending that you aren't smart enough to figure out their game, you know better.

[emulatorloo]

5. Tax cuts for the middle class and deficit reduction

Obama is setting himself up as the "reasonable" one. When the Republicans become unreasonable (putting a big whole in the deficit they claim they are trying to reduce) then they have been painted into the corner as NOT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT THE VOTERS.

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8. He is setting himself to be the reasonable one by giving in? What the hell is new about that?

That's been this administration's policy since the begining.

And if you are saying that republicans dont' want middle class tax cuts you don't think that's a winning issue? The fact is the republicans want the tax cuts extended. Not just the tax cuts for the rich but for everyone. The president is giving them exactly what they want, asking for nothing in return, and then calling this a compromise.

[emulatorloo]

11. Did you read my post?

In what point did I say he was "giving in" - I said the opposite.

In what part of the Reuters article says he is "giving in"

In what way does "Open to the Idea Of Discussing" mean giving in?

If he gives in I will be pissed. that is at "if" status right now, no matter what you might say or think.

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16. Ok, I look forward to your angry posts when they give in. Because you and I know

he will give in.

This is why they waited until after the elections. Social security is next.

[emulatorloo]

21. I know nothing of the sort and neither do you,

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24. Will you be angry at this administration when they give in? How angry?

Yes, you and I know. You are pretending that you don't because you want to spray perfume on a big pile of shit.

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7. i heard on cnbc that the thought was permanent cuts below $250k; the rich get temporary cuts.

i think it's silly to have to give the rich ANYTHING, their taxes are already ridiculously low, but under the circumstances this is not the worst outcome, PROVIDED that obama gets re-elected.

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9. If he won't fight now for letting the cuts for the rich expire

what makes you think he will fight for it later?

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. No and giving the rich an extension while going after SS/Medicare is disgusting!

Just who is responsible for the cat food commission?

Just who appointed the haters of SS/Medicare on that commission?

That's all anyone needs to know about Obama and his compromise BS.


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[RaleighNCDUer]

34. And in all the talking heads expounding on the 'problem' of SS

I have yet to hear a single one - just ONE - propose raising the cap from the current 110k.

Here's a real compromise I could live with - let the rich keep their cuts over 250k - but raise the payroll tax cap to 400k - while lowering the contribution rate to 5% from the current 7.6%. We'd still do much, much better overall (I think - I haven't really sussed out the numbers).

[Rex]

10. I guess he is giving up and letting the GOP call the shots?

I kid, he would never do that.

[subterranean]

12. Under Obama's plan, EVERYONE would get tax cuts.

Even billionaires would get tax cuts on all their income up to $250,000. Their tax cuts would only expire for income over that amount. I think most Americans don't know that.

[emulatorloo]

13. good point about the first 250,000.

[lamp_shade]

14. More knee-jerk reaction to a misleading and incomplete article.

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17. Im gonna bookmark this thread and get back to you when they give in

you wanna give me a preiview of what your excuse will be once they do give in?

[lamp_shade]

20. You have no idea what Gibbs actually said, do you? Check either of these links > >

And read it PLEASE:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/04/gibbs-obama-will-listen-t_n_778864.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/127699-obama-moves-toward-gop-on-tax-cuts

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23. I read that article, Gibbs did not say what compromise they would demand from the GOP

and you know this.

So lets not play games. What do you think Obama should request in return for extending all tax cuts? And what will you think if he doesn't get anything in return but still extends those tax cuts (which you and I know is what is going to happen).

[lamp_shade]

27. He'll make NO suggestions and the ONLY demand he'll make is that they come up

an ACCEPTABLE solution. What's all this compromise talk? "Willing to discuss" is not the same as "will compromise". Get it?

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29. Tell me what he wants in return? You dont know what he wants?

Fine, what do you think he should request in return.

And what will you say if he gets nothing in return but still extends them anyway? Will you be pissed? How pissed?

[lamp_shade]

30. What did I just say? He said he's willing to DISCUSS whatever plan they have, and as you know

full well, any plan they present must be ACCEPTABLE, i.e. it must not add to the deficit or harm SS/Medicare in any way.

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31. SS/Medicare? What. We are talking about tax cuts. Why wont you answer my question?

What do you think they should ask for in return. And do you think under no circumstances they should accept extending the tax cuts without first getting something in return?

I keep asking this, you keep ignoring it. Why?

[lamp_shade]

36. "..... ask for in return". Haha. You're not listening, limit. We're not swapping marbles here.

Since you choose to "not understand" I'll not waste any more of my time.

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37. Yeah, your time is clearly way too valuable to answer a simple question

I don't understand people like you. Are you not allowed to hold your own opinions? You can only defend the administration after whatever action they happen to take?

All Im asking you is what you think Obama should get in return. And if he gets nothing if he should support an extension. And your reply is that you don't have time for this? You do realize how absolutely lame that is, right?

[treestar]

15. They would not get exactly what they want

They would want the middle class cuts to expire, too. It's the middle class they want to pay for the deficit.

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18. No, their public position is they want tax cuts to be extended for everyone

and Obama is giving them exactly what they want.

[emulatorloo]

22. Obama Tax plan was everybody gets a tax break on the first $250,000

even the rich people.

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25. Yes, and? That has nothing to do with what I asked the poster

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38. It's what we want, too

Since they will let them all expire, and will only let us keep the middle class one if the rich get to keep theirs. Elections have consequences. Here is your first one.

Had the Democrats won Congress again, this consequence would not be there.

[rucky]

26. Fuggit. Let 'em expire...

then Boehner can peddle his own plan for cutting taxes and balancing the budget. Let that plan get scored by the CBO. Make them compromise with the Senate and the President.

[Dappleganger]

28. A compromise in my view is when you agree to pick up the phone

when the opposition calls, before you tell them to kiss your shiny ass.

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[arthritisR_US]

33. now that's the kind of compromise I'd like to see! n/t

[arthritisR_US]

32. the democratic party is fast becoming the party of capitulation :-( n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

35. ......Here we go again....