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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:25 AM
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The election outcome is mostly Obama's fault.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 12:18 PM by Renew Deal
Obama made some significant mistakes in his first two years.

1. He did not focus on jobs. He should have been talking about jobs day and night. Talk jobs, pass health care. Talk jobs, pass the fair pay act. Spend every moment talking about jobs. Obama did not do this, so health care and other issues overshadowed jobs.

2. His people miscalculated the economy. Here's a quote from Biden: "The truth is, we and everyone else misread the economy," Biden said. "The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures in most of the blue chip indexes out there. ... And so the truth is, there was a misreading of just how bad an economy we inherited. Now, that doesn't — I'm not laying — it's now our responsibility. So the second question becomes, did the economic package we put in place, including the Recovery Act, is it the right package given the circumstances we're in? And we believe it is the right package given the circumstances we're in."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/09/eric-cantor/Cantor-and-other-republicans-say-obama-promised-s

That makes no sense. We were wrong about the problem, but the solution is still correct. That's BS. Obama figured out we needed a second stimulus, but congress people weren't on board for that.

And unfortunately he miscalculated the economy in a very big way. "Back in early January, when Barack Obama was still President-elect, two of his chief economic advisers — leading proponents of a stimulus bill — predicted that the passage of a large economic-aid package would boost the economy and keep the unemployment rate below 8%. It hasn't quite worked out that way. Last month, the jobless rate in the U.S. hit 9.5%, the highest level it has reached since 1983."

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html

3. He brought people on board that were antithetical to his campaign. Summers is, was, and always will be bad news. But Rahm is the real kicker. There are good things about Rahm like his heavy handedness and understanding of the job. But he was a Clintonite that we just spent months arguing was part of the problem.

4. He set himself up for failure with the "bipartisanship" bullshit. It was easy for the republicans to beat him there. All they had to do was not play ball. This was their first real victory. Obama promised to "change the tone." It was a promise he really couldn't control. And the republicans made it a promise that wasn't kept.

5. He did almost nothing to sell his accomplishments. Obama should have spent all of September and October on the campaign trail working for Democrats. Instead he spent it at home. This is HUGE MISCALCULATION! He had people running around all over the country talking about how terrible he is and he didn't defend himself. Now compare that with JFK:

"As the 1962 election campaign started, early indications were that the year would be a good one for Republicans. Although Democrats held a strong majority in both houses, the Kennedy administration could not count on a working majority on many of the major domestic legislative issues it sought, ranging from Medicare to a farm bill and Civil Rights legislation. Southern Conservative Democrats--especially influential committee chairs in the House--could not be counted on to share and support the administration's agenda. Seeking a more reliable majority, Kennedy urged voters to give the Democrats just a few more seats, arguing that it could make the difference for passage of controversial legislation on social issues like Medicare, public works, and mass transit. Echoing arguments he had made forcefully during his own election campaign two years previously, at a July 23 press conference, Kennedy painted Congressional Republicans as negative and unimaginative on domestic issues. But as the campaign progressed, prospects for the Democrats were widely seen as improving, raising the prospect of bucking the traditional midterm Congressional losses for the party that held the White House."


http://whitehousetapes.net/exhibit/jfk-lbj-midterm-elections-1962-and-1966

I cannot overstate how much of a mistake it was for Obama not to follow the same path. Obama chose a more distanced, apathetic, strategy. Obama has gotten too comfortable in the WH. He doesn't want to be on the campaign trail and I understand that, but it was at the cost of his Democratic majorities.

6. Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! Obama and his people should have spent every moment talking about jobs. EVERY FUCKING MOMENT! Am I repeating myself? Yes. Get it now?

There's more blame to go around. The republicans also deserve credit for taking advantage of the power vacuum that Obama left.

So what is Obama going to do now? Based on yesterdays press conference it sounds like Obama is going to spend the next year getting punched in the face until he pulls a Harry Reid and fights back for HIMSELF. The republicans are not his friend. He should concentrate on jobs and smashing them. People don't care about "bi-partisanship" and filibusters. They care about winning. It's time to figure that out! :argh:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:26 AM
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1. 1994 was worse
Interested in hearing if THAT was Clinton's fault.

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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:32 AM
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2. won't recommend
there are faults all around but I place a huge part of the issue at the "money is free speech" Supreme Court decision.

This election was approaching $4 billion dollars.
Outside money supporting the GOP was twice the amount supporting the Democrats.
We sure as hell better find ways to communicate better cheaper because the money is going to continue to flow to the GOP.
Luckily the younger generation if they were so inclined to vote is less affected by mass media.
But unless we can connect with them, its going to get worse and worse.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:33 AM
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3. Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!
Please let me know if I need to speak louder:

THE JOBS ARE GONE! THERE. ARE. NO. JOBS!



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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:35 AM
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5. So support the Chamber of Commerce because they fully support jobs
Only not in this country....That is why Republicans were elected wasn't it, to support jobs in India?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:42 AM
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10. They were elected because of "change"
Peoples living conditions didn't get better, so they wanted further change.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:41 AM
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9. Which takes us back to point 2.
Miscalulating the economy and making promises that weren't kept.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:34 AM
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4. It was Dean's fault. His 50 state strategy elected too many blue dogs.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:37 AM
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7. Thats a REALLY GOOD ONE!
ANYTHING but recognize its the power-mongering repugs! How brain-washed can we be?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:43 AM
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11. Can you ever really have too many Democrats in congress?
Those "Blue Dogs" won in republican districts and got us Speaker Pelosi (and lots of votes for her agenda). Who's the speaker now that they're gone?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:45 AM
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13. lol
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 11:46 AM by HughMoran
That's kinda funny and ironic and has a ring of truth to it that would absolutely infuriate those who complain about Blue Dogs on one hand, wax poetic about how great it would be if Dean was back as DNC chair.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:13 PM
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23. Heh.
:thumbsup:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:35 AM
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6. STOP!
The election outcome is 'citizens united' fault! 'They' have all the money and media! Potus did huge things, but the POWER-mongers will have none of it, and they're so successful in their propaganda that they've got us HERE suggesting that these losses are Prez O's fault! WHAT B.S.!!! WAKE UP!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:37 AM
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8. It was the Blue Dogs fault. n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:44 AM
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12. So which one of my points do you disagree with?
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 11:45 AM by Renew Deal
I agree that Citizens United also had an affect, but all it did was allow the republicans to take point out an opening that Obama left.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:52 AM
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15. It allowed them to blast their lies, 24/7. Facts DON'T MATTER,
and pointing out an 'opening' of no consequence, if there were one. They 'appeal' to brain-washed, who over-breed, obviously.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:54 AM
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17. So we agree
It's mostly Obama's fault and Citizens United was a factor too.

BTW, what do you mean by "over-breed?"
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:04 PM
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21. We do not agree, NOT Prez O's fault, NO fault there,
he's done a stupendous job in hugely difficult circumstances, and $ has done us all in and will continue to do so. Think about Russ and Grayson's situations, for example: ALL money.

'Over-breed' kind of sarcastic, but refers to those 'others' who voted.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:05 PM
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22. I agree that Obama has done a stupendous job.
I just think he could have done more and differently.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:53 AM
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16. All of it
The electorate is for the most part made up of people that make their political decisions based on comercials. I would be willing to bet you big money the majority of the people that voted dont know a damn thing about any one of your points.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:55 AM
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19. Point 5 covers that one.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 12:04 PM by Renew Deal
Damn I'm good. ;)
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:47 AM
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14. this place was great at fereting out propaganda
When shrub was in power,as soon as obama took office for some reason a large portion of DU all of a sudden decided the media could be trusted...Very strange.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:55 AM
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18. Not strange at all. Indeed, it's typical. n/t
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:56 AM
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20. Good lord. This place is totally fucked up.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:14 PM
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24. K&R. Clear, well-written analysis.
I'll need some time to chew on it before I can agree with all the points you make, but you make them well. :thumbsup:
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kratos2012 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:16 PM
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25. I can no longer disagree with blaming Obama
He tried to compromise, the Repukes painted him as an extremist anyway.

Most of all I blame him for not understanding what the right is about and the lengths they will go to decieve, he never seemed to understand this and now it's too late.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:31 PM
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26. This election was the result of piss-poor communication.
It falls on pretty much all Democrats.

Republicans seized the message. Healthcare reform was no longer about the things that actually helped the average voter: protection from being dropped for a pre-existing condition, etc. It was about the government "takeover" of healthcare. The bailout bill, which Bush pushed for, got blamed on us. The stimulus bill wasn't big enough so it was a massive government "failure".

The Republicans used their media machine effectively. We did not.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:33 PM
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27. What was he supposed to do in that regard? Stop greedy old men from being greedy?
Force CEOs to stop loving money and profit? Challenge the MIC, put a stop to the illegal invasions, magically free up money and set up a new WPA? Like it's "just that easy"?

You can talk about "jobs jobs jobs" all you want . . . doesn't mean you're going to get more. Can't really get what's not there to be had.

Cheap labor conservatives run everything, like it or not. Our government isn't in charge of our government anymore; they haven't been since 1963. Unions are defanged; even most that support them brush them off as if "they served their purpose, but aren't needed anymore". :eyes:

Most politicians don't think like we do. They have been indoctrinated in this Chi-school free-market poison in every economics class they've been in. It's so poisonous and cult-like, they've manage to convince millions of working class voters that it would never benefit (and really, steal from) to go along with this crapcake of a plan.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Corporatists and the wealthy are the ones that fucking suck, not the president. I knew this was going to be inevitable - the toxic Free Trade agreements and the "New Economy" have literally not yielded one net new job since they've been in effect. Bewsh's gatekeeping of this theft by the wealthy was the ultimate example of Kick-The-Can Timebomb economics . . . let's party now! Paying off an enormous debt's gonna build our children's character!!

And yes, as long as nobody does a damned thing to stop them, this nation really doesn't have much of a future. At least not one that was better than our parents had it.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 12:37 PM
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28. WTF?
You make it sound like he sat on his ass watching TV and eating chips instead of stumping for candidates.

Maybe he had, I don't know...WORK to do?

And did you sleep through his campaign appearances? Not liking to do it wasn't the vibe one got from him.

Oh, wait...maybe the fact the the MSM was busy trying to sniff Palin's skirt rather than cover appearances by the President helped give you the impression that he just wasn't doing enough.

I'm sure they would've been happy to tout his accomplishments far and wide had he only said something. They are so very objective, aren't they?

:eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 02:41 PM
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29. K&R
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