Nearly a third of gays voted for GOP

[letterwriter]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/exit-poll-nearly-a-third-of-gays-voted-for-gop

My guess is that Obama appealing the DADT decision cost the Dems a number of close races. Those are the gays that voted. This doesn't include the gays who decided not to vote.

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[AtomicKitten]

9. +1

[jonnyblitz]

18. yeah, thank fucking gawd teh gays have the DEMS!1 nt

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. There ARE third parties out there

If there were a 10-15% vote for a left-leaning third party, maybe Dems would start to get the picture. Voting for Repubs just convinces the idiots who run Dem election strategies that "gee, the American people must WANT ultra-conservative policy!"

[readmoreoften]

97. +1

[Dawgs]

19. [phone]

[slackmaster]

2. Or maybe "gays" are actually a diverse group of people with varied values, beliefs, and opinions

As are many identifiable groups.

[mike_c]

16. +1

It's silly to suggest that any group that large and varied is monolithic on any issue. Besides, how many times do any of us cast a vote for anyone SOLELY as a consequence of our sexual orientations? I mean, I'm a straight male-- does anyone really think that I chose candidates based on that criteria somehow? I don't mean choosing other straight males, I mean does anyone think that WHATEVER choice I make is dependent upon prior consideration of my sexual orientation? And if straight males don't always vote with their gonads, what makes anyone think that gays do?

[Dawgs]

23. Spin it all you want. They are voting against gay marriage, DADT, and any other gay rights.

You know that many Republicans think that gays are full of sin, immoral, and should be shunned from society, right?

[slackmaster]

28. Your post in no way contradicts any part of in my previous reply

:hi:

People aren't always logical. Self-loathing exists in some.

[thelordofhell]

45. Log Cabin

I'm sorry, are we to believe that there are no gay republicans?

:eyes:

[slackmaster]

47. I personally know several gay Republicans

One of them is a semi-retired Roman Catholic priest.

[Canuckistanian]

105. Wait, whoa there

Gay Republican "semi-retired Roman Catholic priest"????

Are you sure this person is sane and on his proper medication?

[slackmaster]

119. He's part of a generation most of us have never encountered

He and his partner have been in a monogamous relationship since 1970.

They're both opposed to same-sex marriage. (Of course they couldn't marry even if it was legal, because one of them is a Catholic priest.) ;-)

[Gaedel]

38. What are the numbers?

Someone posted in DU that GLBT is 4% of the electorate.

Of that 4%, how many are interested in DADT except as an abstract concept? What percentage of GLBT hanker after a military career?

[slackmaster]

46. You have barely scratched the surface of questions that could be asked about them

Human behavior is complex, nuanced, and often unpredictable.

[Gaedel]

54. Yes, and people have a variety of interests

Economic
Foreign policy
Social

A lot of people here in DU do not recognize that there is a several dimensional spectrum of motivations and beliefs.

A blue collar Catholic Dem of European descent might respond to different political stimuli than an affluent and educated gay Dem.

Yet, they are both Democrats.

[dsc]

63. according to exit polls we are 3% of the electorate on Nov 2

we were 4% of the electorate on election day in 06 and 08. In 08 we broke 70 to 25 in favor of Obama and about 80 to 20 in favor of a Democratic Congress. In 10 we broke 68 to 30 for a Democratic Congress.

[NMMNG]

73. Wasn't it just yesterday

people were telling you "we don't blame bad election results on Teh Gays...why would you say something like that"?

Riiiight.

[CreekDog]

62. so are black people, but their voting indicates they know which party doesn't seem to like them

:shrug:

[Brickbat]

3. Oh, thank Maude. I was afraid we were going to get through this week without a thread blaming it on

Teh Gays.

[SidDithers]

4. Interesting....nt

Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

36. About half of all Heterosexuals are Repulicans full time

And as the article says "Even with the shift, gay voters remain among the top five demographic groups that vote Democratic."
Straight white men are the group that votes the least Democratic, by the way. Interesting....

[uponit7771]

5. I don't believe gay people want things to get worse and stay that way. Obama can be worked with whil

...the GOP will condemn

[MrScorpio]

6. Payback for Prop 8, maybe? nt

As if Obama was responsible for Prop 8... Yeah, I know.

[closeupready]

7. The blame for this lies with multiple parties.

And yes, not the least of which is those who actually decided to vote GOP.

But it does reflect an uncomfortable fact that gays feel that they DO have some place else to go.

You can't beat them and expect them to stay.

[we can do it]

8. WOW this morning I heard it was the blacks fault, now its the gays

[bobbolink]

22. Wrong on all counts. The fault lies squarely on homeless people.

[we can do it]

53. Especially Homeless Female Illegal Immigrants On Social Security

[bobbolink]

55. Well, if they are "illegal" (what a nasty term!), they wouldn't be on Social Security, so how 'bout

adding "lesbian" instead?

The combination of all those negatives would spell certain death. :cry:

[we can do it]

66. Just Regurgitating the Pukes "hated classes"

forgot sarcasm thingy ( thought you got where I was going with this :hi: )

[bobbolink]

70. We're on different tracks, then... I am repeating the Dems dismissals.

Dismissing us has worked out really well for them.

[we can do it]

71. Just Trying To Laugh (Its Hard with Fried Brain and Tired Feet)

[readmoreoften]

95. WRONG: Homeless Female Transgender Illegal Immigrants On Social Security

[we can do it]

99. with pre-existing conditions

[Bucky]

122. The point is, I'm white, I'm male, and I'm off the hook for this one.

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[emulatorloo]

11. Hate to break it to you, but there are Gay Republicans. Just like there are straight ones.

[TheWraith]

12. I call bullshit.

No way that that is accurate.

[NorthCarolina]

87. I do too, but whats the use..... nt

[Politicub]

13. Pure ignorance and shortsightedness

GLBT folk who voted for the GOP as a protest vote must be way off in the head. I think it's more about greed and selfishness -- which are traits that afflict some people in all demographic groups, sadly.

[Number23]

117. +1 These numbers can't possibly be right. And if they are, well that's just fucking insanity

[pgodbold]

14. I think they should blame it on us gays because we are used to it. Shovel it on boys! We're bad! nt

[joeybee12]

15. Sorry, but even today, not everyone who is gay is going to admit that to a pollster...

results like this have to be considered very suspect.

[blondeatlast]

49. I was hoping someone would point out what ought to be obvious.

Took a little more time to get to that than I'm comfortable with, though.

[MuseRider]

17. So?

All people are allowed to vote their conscience. It should be without threat of belittling but apparently it is not. Again I ask you, SO? If they felt displeasure with the Democrats then they voted or not voted the way they chose to vote. So we should blame them? How about trying to bring them back or is that too damned much for "liberals" to consider?

I don't think this is necessary and after everything that has been happening I would think most people here would have better sense and more empathy than to post crap like this.

[bobbolink]

27. " How about trying to bring them back or is that too damned much for "liberals" to consider? "

:applause:
The principle of politics is... meet peoples' needs, and they will vote for you. Keep meeting their needs, and they will remain loyal.

Somehow, since the DLC took over, that principle has been tossed overboard, and the demand that the party is OWED our votes has been the standard.

So far, we have tolerated it.

Will we continue to do so?

[treestar]

43. LOL. And the Republicans win.

We have to be on this constant merry go round trying to meet people's needs? Why don't the republicans have to do that. Or, why don't they have to meet my needs? I need Democrats in office so the country i live in won't go down the toilet.

[MuseRider]

69. "We have to be on this constant merry go round trying to meet people's needs?"

Yes. OR at least not throwing them away as if they were not important. You really answered your own question here but it may not be something you are willing to understand.

[MuseRider]

51. I think the answer may lie

with reports like this. I don't know if this report is correct or if it is the usual "teh gays did it" blame and finger pointing but these things should worry the party that is losing votes. So far I have not seen anyone care much about any group that has left or threatened to leave. The "where else are you going to go?" and the ever popular "so you think so and so would be better?" are wearing thin and I think people have decided to do something other than what has not worked. It does not work to vote for a party who considers you expendable except for the wedge issue, work and money they can use you for.

The party may be Green, or Independent or even a write in vote. It may be they left some of them blank but it is obvious, if this data is to be believed, that they are doing something other than voting for those that throw them under the bus time and time again. Personally I think this is the only way that it can be changed now. Working within the party has not worked for any of us who are not middle line D's or party first people.

[bobbolink]

59. While I completely agree with you, I see no indication that the party has any intention

of ever listening to those it takes for granted.

Clearly, all these losses haven't penetrated, so I can't imagine what else would?

A mass protest at the White House? doubt it.

They are convinced they are right and we are useless....

All I can figure out is that win or lose, they actually win, so it no longer matters.

"Fool me once......."

Its all to :cry:

[MuseRider]

68. In reality

I agree with you totally. I think they have a path that they wish to follow and those that want to come may come but the big tent is gone. They play at being big tent occasionally thinking, I guess, that we won't notice that nothing ever really gets done except an occasional cookie thrown our way. The traditional party is no longer and that is the part that so many of us miss and want back. When I told the DNC 4 years or so ago during one of their calls for money that I was no longer a Democrat and why they laughed at me, so you are in Kansas? We don't need you anyway. I learned right then what my place was.

Nothing works anymore because the things that matter to the party can't be dented by protests, mail, email, meetings, non voting, phone calls nor can they be dented by doing what you usually do for a party you believe in...donate time and money, walk door to door, phone bank, stuff envelopes, work campaigns. I am at a loss as to what can be done at this point but you are correct, they don't seem to miss any of us.

Do I care? Not really, not anymore. The part of me that does care is the part of me that loves to work for something I believe in. I have found that but it certainly is not a party issue. I miss that part of being a part of a large party working to do good things for all people.

[Naturyl]

111. I won't.

That's why I stayed home Tuesday and don't regret it. My vote isn't granted, or a given. It has to be earned.

Will I stay home in the future? No - provided the left is represented on the ballot. Will we be? Time will tell.

[catgirl]

20. What a complete joke this "poll" is

Exist polling the gays! Sure, "Hi, are you gay? bi? How did you vote?" A complete joke. These people
are beyond pathetic.

[Bluebear]

33. Thank you.

[donco6]

67. No kidding

But we knew it would have to happen eventually.

[David Zephyr]

93. Thank you. It's bullshit and it was designed to divide. Clearly it worked.

LGBT Americans who openly identify themselves and who are not closeted vote heavily Democratic.

Thank you catgirl for calling this as it is: a complete joke.

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[Bluebear]

24. Thank heavens, I was wondering when we were going to get the blame. I see "ignored" is all over here

Thanks for posting, you made a lot of ignoreds happy lol!

[QC]

50. Many, though not all, of the usual suspects are here.

Give the others a minute or two and they are certain to show up.

[bobbolink]

61. The "Ignored" party wins big!

:hi:

I expected to see them out in force yesterday, but I guess the shock was profound enough to keep it a bit down.

However, today they are ORGANIZED! YIPPEE!!11!!

[Ron Green]

25. If that's true, my guess is that they're gay billionaires and gay morons,

because I just can't imagine the gay religiously insane.

[Cheap_Trick]

26. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.... nt

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[Evasporque]

30. 1/3 of DEMs voted Republican....or stayed home....nt

[Puregonzo1188]

32. And how does this compare to past elections?

Is this a new trend? I know I've heard some of the "Gay Republican" groups make the claim that more gay people vote for Republicans than African-Americans or Jewish individuals, so is this necessarily new?

I mean I feel like that would be more useful information to have before we start scapegoating teh gays.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. And about 50% of all heterosexuals are registered Republicans

What's your point? Hmmmmmm? Gay people are not clones, as you suggest. In 08 it was 75% Democratic, this year a few down, if you believe polls taken in States where people can be fired or evicted for being gay.
But really. What is with the huge percentage of straights who are Republicans? Especially the white straight people. What's the deal with the Straight Community and all that Republican voting? Please explain you community's devotion to the GOP.

[MuseRider]

56. :-)

GREAT point and one that should have been obvious but sadly is not.

[readmoreoften]

96. +1

[TriMera]

35. Unrec. If anybody cares to read

the article, that conclusion was based on 110 respondents. But, if you would like to judge an entire community on that, have at it.

[slackmaster]

44. The article says there were 3,700 respondents

Would you care to show us your calculation of the p-value for the stated result?

[TriMera]

48. 110 of whom identified as LGB.

Quote from the article:

"Hunter College Professor Ken Sherrill, who studies the gay electorate, tells The Upshot that the sample size was small, so the magnitude of gays' shift toward the GOP may be less pronounced than it appears. (About 110 respondents of the 3,700 included in the cable exit polls identified as gay, lesbian or bisexual, representing about 3 percent of all voters.)"

[slackmaster]

84. You suggested that the sample size is too small for the result to be meaningful

The math is pretty straightforward. Show your work.

[David Zephyr]

94. Thank you TriMera. This "poll" is simply false.

+1

[slackmaster]

120. Saying the numbers are wrong doesn't make it so

The math for calculating a p-value is not complex. Show your work.

(This video explains what a p-value is and why it matters, but not how to compute it.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFXy_UdlQJg

[Bluenorthwest]

39. Or 68% for Democrats, which, had the Straights done the same

would have made Tuesday a whole different routine. So what's wrong with you straight folks?

[WilliamPitt]

40. (facepalm)

[Love Bug]

41. Gee, I thought it was the 99er's fault

Sure, there are gay republicans but one third? I doubt that.

[treestar]

42. Your guess has to be wrong, since, if they voted R

they voted against all of those issues.

[Lucky 13]

52. How was this "exit poll" conducted? Excuse me sir/ma'am, are you queer? Care to take a survey?

Sheesh. :eyes:

[dsc]

65. actually pretty much like that

except it is burried in with a bunch of other questions such as race, religion, how often you attend church, income, age, etc. The gay question has existed at least since 92 on our exit polls.

[CJCRANE]

57. Who did the straights vote for?

:shrug:

[cbdo2007]

58. Well then they're dumbasses.

As is everyone else who voted GOP.

[mitchum]

60. See...you can never be too old to be a rent boy

[HughMoran]

64. Is that higher than usual?

It sounds like it to me.

[Egnever]

72. Sorry despite the large gay influence on DU

The portion of the population in the US is not significant enough for them to swing elections the way you are trying to imply.

Pure stupidity of any gay to vote GOP IMHO but the idea they can be blamed for election loses is silly.

[readmoreoften]

100. "Despite the large gay influence on DU"?

IT'S FLOODED WITH TEH GAY!
RUN & TAKE COVER!

Where do you get your statistics? AFA?

[JoePhilly]

74. letterwriter drops a letter bomb, and then does not reply to any one who comments???

Hummm ... and only 71 prior posts ...

I'm not suggesting anything ... just making an observation.

[Starry Messenger]

75. They must have convinced all of those straight people to vote GOP too.

Those dasterdly gays. :sarcasm:

[HillWilliam]

76. Unrec

for a wholly offensive and asinine "let's blame Teh Gays" post. My partner and I both voted straight (okay, entirely gaily) Democratic.

Bite me.

[NeedleCast]

77. So You Think that 1/3 of gays voted Republican to Punish Democrtas?

If so, that's truly a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[donco6]

78. Post and run to stir up trouble.

Asshole.

[racaulk]

79. See, that's the problem.

If you feed stray cats, they'll never stop coming around.

[donco6]

82. Ahh - and I've heard stray cats can sometimes go feral.

So that makes sense.

[QC]

83. I hear that stray elephants can also be nuisances.

Always sticking their trunks where they don't belong.

[racaulk]

85. They also like to shit on things, leave, and never return to clean up the mess.

Damn stray elephants! Nuisances, they are.

:eyes:

[QC]

113. Oh, that's true. I've seen it many times with my own eyes. n/t

[Codeine]

80. Why are we shocked by conservative gays?

Not all gays are interested in fighting for gay marriage any more than all women are pro-choice or feminist. People are rarely that easily pigeonholed.

[KittyWampus]

81. So OVER TWO-THIRDS of gay voters went for Democrats!

[KharmaTrain]

86. I Was Expecting This Post Yesterday...

Ya know its teh gay that did all the damage...epsecially in losing that Senate seat in North Dakota :sarcasm:

I'm in a district where the race still isn't decided...550 or so votes. If the Democrat loses is it "teh gays" fault for that too? How about a poorly run campaign by a Blue Dog who wasn't rushpublican lite enough for the rushpublicans turned "independent".

As was pointed out to me years ago, most LGBT votes (as recognized) are in deep blue areas and not as much a factor in red and purple areas. But it sure seems to be a nice way to flamebait.

[QC]

88. I can't believe it took so long. n/t

[terrya]

89. And it starts. We're being blamed for the election.

Just like 2004. Same goddamned motherfucking thing.

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[Creideiki]

91. Maybe, maybe not

There's no accounting for splitting tickets (people in a democracy are generally allowed to split their ticket, you know?)

So if they ask on one specific candidate, they may have gone Republican, Libertarian, or Green while going Democratic on other races. If they assume that that means they voted that party straight down, then there's a flaw in the exit poll.

And then there's the issue with extremely small sampling that can lead to misconstructions like the African American vote on Prop 8.

Basically, the point is take the exit polling (especially for small minority groups) with a huge grain of salt. Roughly the size of the Rock of Gibraltar. (Yes, I'm playing way too much Civ 5. Sue me.)

[David Zephyr]

92. This poll is bullshit. Look at how easily it divided here, which was the intention.

I don't know one single LBGT person who voted Republican and I have friends all over the nation.

This is just utter bullshit.

[dsc]

115. I do know some gay republicans

the one I know very well voted libertarian in the Senate race here and I have no idea who he voted for for Congress. But I know of no one who voted Democratic before but Republican this time. To the extent that there was a higher percentage of GOP voting gays my guess is that it was Democratic voting gays staying home, not more gays voting GOP. But such a small poll is hard to make any real judgement from.

[Fire1]

98. Real smart move.

:eyes:

[readmoreoften]

102. Yeah fuck those stupid gays! Obviously the Democrats have so much to offer!

So much that they DIDN'T NOTICE.

:eyes: yourself.

[Fire1]

106. And the GOP offers more for gays? Since when?

[letterwriter]

110. The election is over

Time to look at what happened and learn.

[BzaDem]

101. I hope those that voted for the GOP are real happy with the consequences of their actions.

That goes for everyone who voted GOP or enabled them in any way.

[readmoreoften]

103. I don't think it'll play out any differently than voting for Democrats.

How many straight people voted for Republicans?

[Jamastiene]

104. Thank you, Sir. Can I have another?

But, OF COURSE, it is our fault. It is ALWAYS our fault.

[Naturyl]

107. Wow... I could undersatnd staying home, but actually voting GOP?

That's like cutting off your face to spite your nose.

And yes, that reversal of the quip is intentional.

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[and-justice-for-all]

109. Sadly, I know a couple of Gay repukes....

Never understood it and never will.

[FreeState]

112. Statistically that data is meaningless

Exit poll has a margin of error of 3% - the totall of the LGBT vote meaning there is not enough sample to even get meaningful data - it's crap.

[slackmaster]

121. Show your work

If the result is not statistically significant, you should be able to demonstrate that mathematically.

[Peacetrain]

114. What the hell was the point of this?

If you are straight and voted republican you are a butt head.

If you are gay and voted republican ..you are a butt head.

Republicans are butt heads trying to return us to the 18th century..

A butt head is a Butt Head

[donco6]

118. And that is something upon which we have perfect agreement. n/t

[Plantaganet]

116. What happened to

"...we don't differentiate between them and us. It's just us."

It wasn't that long ago.