The Cold Civil War...continues...*

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

Poll question: The Cold Civil War...continues...*

*Not a current representation, but damn close

[hfojvt]

1. you really think Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota

are part of the South?

And it is particularly insulting to call Kansas part of the south considering the blood that was spilled to keep it from becoming a slave state.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. No.

I think they're part of the Cold Civil War.

[GSLevel9]

2. that's a lot more than just the old CSA.

But it does illustrate the real threat for DEMS in today's climate.

Pennsylvania is becoming a redder shade of purple and the Upper Midwest is starting to elect some pubs...

But it looks like it's about the economy. It's really hard to be a warm hearted liberal when you have no job, house, food or future.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. ergo the "continues"

[handmade34]

7. ah, the irony

"...hard to be a warm hearted liberal when you have no job, house, food or future." from my vantage point, it's the liberals that want to help people with these things... :shrug:

[GSLevel9]

25. what I meant was...

when people have the necessities in life and maybe a luxury or two they start asking "what can they do?"

"I'd gladly pay an extra $.25 per gallon for gas if it'll reduce pollution. I'll gladly pay another $500 per year in Property Taxes if they build that new modern High School. I'll gladly pay an extra $1 for a head of lettuce if the workers are paid a living wage."

But when people are worrying about heir own skin... they care less about the "big picture" items. Progressive policies work best when people are working and there's money to spend.

[justanaverageguy]

5. I often see comments and threads here

about how people in the south are still bitter about the civil war and the like. As someone who has grown up in the south, educated in the south, comes from a HUGE redneck family, and is actually proud of his southern heritage, I can tell you that except for some VERY fringe elements and VERY few people (wackos) no one in the south is seriously bitter about the civil war and how it ended. Yes it may be joked about, but that's as far as it goes. I mean the war was 150 years ago, get over it....the south has.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. Fair enough.

Explain the reactionary demographic.

[justanaverageguy]

16. I don't think I can explain it.

Given the widespread geographic area involved, the factors to explain it are probably varied and complicated. One could probably spend years researching it and write books about it.

But I'm fairly confident that it has nothing to do with the Civil War that took place 150 years ago.

[handmade34]

9. so...

in your opinion, what is it that makes the South's attitude different from the North's? I ask this question with sincerity.

[Dappleganger]

11. Agreed.

I made a post about that recently, too. I don't ever hear that come up although northerners like to think it's still true. IMO it's "big city vs. country people" more than anything.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Explain the odd demography.

To deny the geographical split is to deny reality.

[Dappleganger]

15. We're not saying there is no difference

just that the old meme of "the south is still fighting the civil war" isn't true for most southerners any longer. The south has greatly changed due to normal circumstances such as many other Americans moving in from all parts of the US due to changing jobs, due to higher education influences (and you can really tell in those areas), etc. YES, there are rednecks...we have them all over in FL, just like Michigan, NH and NY state has their rednecks too. YES there are idiots who still fly the confederate flag, but not nearly as much as you'd been led to believe I can count on one hand how many I've seen a confederate flag since moving to NE FL nearly a decade ago. Saw a lot more of them in Maryland and New Hampshire, however (we lived in NH for a year).

The biggest problems come with the "Big City attitudes" vs. "Country Girl/Country Boy attitudes". I am not saying that we're anywhere close to moving to a liberal state (FL is flying backwards, unfortunately). To change this is going to take more time and effort and choosing to not write us off and treat us like ignorant dumbshits. The North, Midwest, Southwest and West coast also have their ignorant dumbshits as well. Ours are really no different.

[Dappleganger]

18. I'll never forget being absolutely shocked

when we lived in Milford, New Hampshire and saw confederate flags being flown and in trucks. It shocked the shit outta me.

Dumbshits are everywhere!

[hfojvt]

19. let me know then, when you celebrate Memorial Day.

[RC]

6. Yeah, if we could replace Mexico with Hawaii and Alaska, like the map shows,

that would solve the immigration problem. Donno how the moose and polar bears would stand the heat though.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. If if was a lancha we'd all go for a lancha ride.

[handmade34]

12. just to be contrary

I voted for the South never conceded... seriously though, tradition dies hard as many of us are still tribalists

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. Of course.

[Dappleganger]

17. Riiiiight...

because nobody from the north ever moved to the south and southerners never move to other areas of the country.

Enjoy your ignorance. Dumbshits are dumbshits--they are in all areas of the country. Don't believe me? Stop looking at the state red/blue colors and looks at specific cities and counties all over the US. It's an urban/rural divide with the suburbs in the middle.

[handmade34]

20. not necessary to be rude

I travel the U.S. for a living going into large cities and very rural areas and everthing in between. I am working in the Bronx right now and spent the summer in Texas, Alabama, NC and SC. I have worked in every state (except ND) We are humans and we have a propensity to stick to our own (whatever that may be)- all of us to some degree or another.

[Dappleganger]

21. I am not trying to be rude...

but the constant south-bashing on this board after every election gets really really old.

[Deep13]

22. The CSA didn't need to concede...

...it was wiped out of existence.

[mmonk]

23. NC's state government hasn't gone red since the 1800's.

[Uncle Joe]

24. This map represents the kind of thinking George W. Bush would use.

Black and white or as in this case solid red and blue, "You're either with us or against us."

If you truly want to win or end a "cold civil war" or any cold relationship, quit giving ammunition to those people that desire one.

If you're truly looking for a gracious loser, then become a gracious winner, that's the only possible way it can happen, Howard Dean knew this, the Democratic Party turned away from him and this past election is the result.

Thanks for the thread, RUMMYisFROSTED.

[Bucky]

26. It's more complex than that.

But thanks for the cheap yucks.