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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 02:55 PM
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Wisconsin is totally shit outta luck
we are pretty much total repub at state level...the rural communities that have little to do now that crops are harvested can now sit all day watching fox and hi-fiving, while those of us in the urban communities will suffer....

Walker's first agenda..stop the train from Milw. to Madison...that train would have increased enrollments at the Universities - maybe shared classes between Milw. & Madison...made it easier for visitation to the colleges and eased a lot of congestion on the roads...also they projected between 6,000 - 10,000 new and permanent jobs...he's also planning on cutting wages (by outsourcing to break the unions)and eliminating public service jobs i.e. teachers, janitors, garbage collectors, cops, firemen and library workers...how is this going to help unemployment - this is eliminating jobs and revenue - not creating it...


The Fox rubes have won...I hope it's just for now ...At least our SOS is dem for now...but he's 70 years old and I don't know how long he can hang on...
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 02:58 PM
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1. Come on down to sunny Florida
you'll feel right at home here in geriatric teabagger central AKA conservative Jeezus' waiting room. I feel your pain.

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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:02 PM
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3. No one my parents know
in their community voted for the teabaggers in Florida. But maybe the Jews down there know better. ;)
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 06:39 AM
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73. They must be South FL dwellers
I lived in Miami for the first 35 years of my life which no doubt influenced my liberal mindset. Talk about culture shock when I moved to the North-Central part of the state! That was 20 years ago and I'm still not completely over it. :)

Say "hello" to your folks from a former Miamian. :hi:

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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:50 PM
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74. They live in
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 08:50 PM by sabbat hunter
boynton beach, which is south of West Palm Beach. Yet they still elected a teabagger nut job over the incumbent. I think the retirees voted for the incumbent, and the 'natives' voted for the teabagger.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:00 PM
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2. I know how you feel
The MN legislature just went red and we're going to have another recount on our hands, this time for governor. Luckily our SOS, Attorney General and the SC are either dem or reasonable.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:05 PM
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4. We need sucka stickers to put on the backs of every one who voted Repubs,
that lose a job over this.
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NEOhiodemocrat Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:16 PM
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5. Ohio feels you pain, and has the same problems
We lost every top state level position to Republicans. Lost Governor Strickland, one of the best around who really cared for the regular people in this state. I even lost Charlie Wilson as my representative. At least I still have Senator Sherrod Brown, but that is it. The new Governor is doing exactly what Walker is doing. There goes high speed train, eliminating public service jobs, wants to privatize everything in sight, and today said he is cutting the state income tax (with projected 8 Million deficit next year). So what programs do you think he will be eliminating? Regular Ohioans are screwed (pardon my french). I can't imagine what Ohio will be like in four years. Only good that can possibly come from this is that people see what is happening and go Democratic next election. This is devastating to Ohio, and sounds like you are in the same ship.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:00 PM
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23. Yeah, you're screwed
Isn't some of the auto work coming your way from here in Kenosha?
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:16 PM
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32. Hi, fellow Sconnie...
I was surprised when I learned that Kenosha county is doing even worse than we are here in Racine. How people in our region of the state could help elect a variety of jerks from the "I've got mine" crowd completely baffles me :(
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:27 PM
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36. Well our property still sells for more than yours
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 04:27 PM by EC
but it's getting there...the city stayed pretty much Dem...it's the county I worry about. A lot more fundies moving in and there is just no getting through to them or reasoning with them...and with the Catholic church now promoting repubs - it's worse then I can ever remember...It used to be that the Catholic church went with the unions here...but the only industry now is plastics and packaging...wow...so the unions have been pretty marginalized and we have all these little low pay plants...polluting our air, water and land, while paying no taxes due to deals to move here...At least you still have manufacturing there.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 05:58 PM
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46. Allow me to clarify...
...when I said "is doing worse than," I was referring to higher unemployment in Kenosha County vs Racine County. But I read that a month or three ago.

It was announced just recently that some foreign outfit (I think it's manufacturing packaging materials) is supposed to bring ~190 jobs to Caledonia soon. Definitely welcome news....
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:11 PM
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50. Yeah, from Italy
food packaging..
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:26 PM
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54. Exciting, isn't it?
:shrug:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:18 PM
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6. Sounds l ike Walker"s role model is Cristi..NJ's new governor.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 03:21 PM by BrklynLiberal
:puke:

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101027/UPDATES01/101027027/Gov-Chris-Christie-officially-scraps-Hudson-rail-tunnel

....
The decision to abandon construction more than a year after it began burnished the Republican governor's reputation as a cost-cutter but was criticized as foolishly shortsighted by transportation advocates, train riders, union leaders and some Democrats. It also leaves New Jersey with nothing but a $600 million hole in the side of the hill.

Supporters of the project — an idea that has been on the drawing board for about 20 years — said it would create 6,000 construction jobs and thousands more jobs afterward, as well as ease train delays in a region with one of the nation's longest commute times.

Currently, Amtrak and NJ Transit, the state's commuter railroad, share a single, century-old tunnel underneath the river that has been at capacity for years. Just this week, a derailment outside New York's Penn Station snarled the commute for tens of thousands of people.

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, who had implored Christie to reconsider, called the decision "a devastating blow to thousands of workers, millions of commuters and the state's economic future." He said commuters will see "no end to traffic congestion and ever-longer wait times on train platforms."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat who helped secure federal funding for the tunnel, said: "The governor has once again put politics over performance."

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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:24 PM
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7. Yeah, I think that guy came and campaigned for him.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:01 PM
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25. I'm sure that the
republican governors convention had something to do with drawing up a whole agenda...
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:23 PM
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34. Seems NY is now going to bid on NJ's transportation stimulus funds. Sucks for the fine folks in NJ.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 04:24 PM by MrsCorleone
This is what happens when an uninformed electorate votes for republicans.

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:29 PM
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37. Good...
can they finish the project from that end?
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:47 PM
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41. I think NY wants NJ's unused stimulus funds for
the Second Avenue subway and/or the Long Island Rail Road East Side Access project. Not positive, though.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:26 PM
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8. I'm absolutely devastated that WI has gone to republicans. What's wrong with the peeps out there?
It looks as if the new republican governors are killing the high speed rail projects in WI, OH, and, likely, FL.

Out here in CA, our HSR project is in trouble in terms of funding because of the new repub house. Seems the likely new chair of the House Transportation Committee is Florida’s John Mica, and he wants to redirect stimulus funds.

In one election, so many desperately needed jobs are going to be shut down. It's so tragic.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:26 PM
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9. Will it help if, as an Illinoisan ...
I don't visit Wisconsin or buy any of its dairy products or cheeses? Sort of like a boycott.

(I might make an exception for Milwaukee or Madison, if necessary, but I'll avoid the red parts of the state).

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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:33 PM
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10. Great idea...
...boycott Wisconsin made products, punish the working man.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:39 PM
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11. the working man punished himself...it was loud and clear that
the repugs were going to take things away in the name of balancing the budget...
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:39 PM
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12. Just boycott the rural areas and make their lives
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 03:42 PM by EC
miseralbe...But Kenosha, Milw. and Madison got out heavy. It did surprise me to see some of the lower western areas like LaCrosse area (which when vacationing in those areas seemed pretty red to me) voted Dem...strange...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:56 PM
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20. That thinking will ultimately win us District 4 and cost us much of District 2
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 03:58 PM by HereSince1628
Would you really like to see Tammy Baldwin bounced out of the House?

What MUST happen is that Wisconsin democrats MUST connect with residents of small communities and farming/logging areas.

We need to revive the idea of Democrats promoting farming, local business and local industries. We need to grow something like the DFL was in Minnesota.

We don't need to push away people who by and large share our social values and economics. That division is killing us. The republicans run on the notion that democrats only care about urban areas and so they've grudgingly chipped off district 4 for Milwaukee blacks.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:09 PM
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29. No, you're right.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 04:16 PM by EC
Tammy is a treasure...She will be in danger I think - if the mentality has slipped so badly that we now have Lt. Gov. Kleefisch....


On edit: besides I'm thinking the whole offer to boycott was kidding to which my response was kidding also...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:11 PM
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30. Kleefish makes me sick. I'd rather have a chair as Lt. Governor.
Look out for her running for Herb Kohl's seat, shes a Palin wannabe.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:42 PM
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16. Don't boycott WI cheese! A better way to fight back is to educate the peeps on HSR & how Repubs just
killed thousands upon thousands of jobs. Post in local newspaper online comments sections. Reach the peeps at local levels and educate them of the economic damage the republicans are about to inflict upon them.

I live in a major metro city, yet virtually no one knows about the HSR projects. When I talk to local average Joes, they instantly "get it", that these projects will create thousands of jobs now and transform those regions around rail stops into major economic hubs.

It's a no brainer, but the people, by and large, don't even know about it.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:48 PM
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18. Have done that
the papers just aren't read by the type that came out to vote repub this time...or they just laugh at anything liberal mentioned...they even make fun of the libs that do write in monthly...I do make a little head way when I talk to people who have kids going to the University in Madison by saying something like, "Boy, it sure would have been nice if the HSR system was in now, you could visit the kids anytime you wanted without making a big trip out of it.." then I usually get the excited "yeah, that would be nice" from them when they realize that it would have been great....


The financing was to be an extra tax on rented cars...there was a big uproar over that for some reason I can't figure...especially since this was like limos or rentals from the airport - not leased cars...how many people really rent cars so much that an additional tax on them would be a hardship? I mean really?....
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:00 PM
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24. Balking at a car rental tax is just an uneducated knee jerk reaction.
It is clear to me that the peeps need to be informed.

Most peeps that I speak to here in CA respond most strongly to the economic aspect of the HSR project. When they see the scope of the project, how it'll facilitate commerce all along the rail line, the sheer number of manpower (jobs) that it will require just to complete the project, etc., they get it and they want it!



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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:58 PM
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22. Yeah, that's going to make a HUGE difference
Good Lord.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:19 PM
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33. Yea, that's a great idea.
You guys already charge us tolls to ride on virtually all of your main interstate highways. Aren't you ever satisfied?

Also, don't you guys have any lakes of your own?
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 05:02 PM
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43. We've got a big one
It's called Lake Michigan.

Hey, us city folk like to get up to those nice rolling hills (though I admit, in the six years we've lived here, I've only been to Wisconsin three times: once to an event in Madison, once to the Milwaukee Art Museum, and once to the Kohler area).

We may have tolls, but wtf is up with those traffic jams near Milwaukee? Got stuck in one for over an hour this summer and moved only one mile.

Back when we lived in your other neighboring state, Minnesota, we used to go to Wisconsin quite a bit: we belonged to a CSA with a farm on the St. Croix River, and we used to take the kids out to pick vegetables all the time and drive them back to the Twin Cities for distribution.

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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:00 PM
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48. You've never done 1 mph in/around Chicago? Please!
Anyway, I was just tossing a bit of neighborly snark. I like your state pretty well actually...although I will always leave my vehicle here if possible ;)
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:41 PM
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13. Kholer is laying off 350 workers,
just showing on the news!
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:58 PM
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21. Not much building and remodeling being done
so sinks and toilets aren't exactly selling...so I can see that...too bad...winter is likely the best time to work in a ceramics factory too...
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:41 PM
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14. The only sane states appear to be Massachusetts and California
I know California has flirted with insanity but Tea Partiers could never be elected in most of California and apparently Massachusetts.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:56 PM
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19. For the last few years I think Colorado has been doing a
good job of holding their own too. Voting a couple times in a row to increase taxes now, shows that the people have come to a realization that additional monies are needed to run a state effectively...


California is screwed untill they get rid of Prop 13 and start increasing taxes on some of those big homes...Mass. and other New Eng. states I feel are pretty good at knowing what the state needs...Delaware did surprise me even having as many TP's as it did...I guess that was the Penn. rural areas abutting it.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:06 PM
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28. Don't forget West Virginia
The Tea Party thought they could grab the Senate seat in Wv with John Raese. Didn't work out to well for them -- Raese was soundly defeated!
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:15 PM
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31. Well....Raese was a sacrificial lamb I think
Joe Manchin was liked as Governor so I don't think the repubs had anyone they could advance to beat him...so a carpetbagger will do...
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:12 PM
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51. You vastly underestimated what was going on here in WV
The GOP thought Manchin was vulnerable and really wanted to take over the seat held by the late Robert Byrd. Tons of money was poured into Raese's campaign and media blitz. For a while it looked as if they might even pull it off.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:23 PM
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53. Then I'm ashamed of any family I have left there...
they are all repubs who vote that line without question...if they fell for him even being anything but a carpetbagger taking over their state...I'm very glad I disowned them years ago...I always loved West Virginia...a lot of pretty country...
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:42 PM
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15. Yeah...
:(
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 03:47 PM
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17. Well, we may be down but we are not out.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 03:48 PM by HereSince1628
We live here and we've got to participate.

We need to be connected for more than elections. We need to be a presence in congressionl district offices. We need to show up at politician meet and greets. And we need to press forward our values when we do.

We need to create opportunities for non-democrats to join us in activities that promote our values, adopting highways, aiding literacy and numeracy by being volunteer tutors, working to feed, cloth and shelter the hungry and cold. Just pick a cause you believe in and show up with a band of democratic friends and bring along some non-democrats.

Making Wisconsin a better place will happen by living and modelling progressive values, not so much by watching MSNBC and posting here.




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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:01 PM
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26. K&R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:02 PM
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27. It was different in rural wisconsin when I was growing up there -
I was born in Ripon, WI. I left as soon as I graduated from Madison. Back in the 60s/70s family farms were still profitable and many others worked in factories. Both are long gone. Back in those days I painted union signs with my dad, and farmers were democrats.

Many of my family members are still there, making much less money at service jobs, and now they vote republican because they are convinced by FOX news that repubs have values. It's really sad.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:26 PM
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35. It is my impression that farmers have mutual life and health insurance via F/S
Do you know if that is true?

BTW it boggles my mind to think of co-op owners as republicans
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:05 PM
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62. I don't know about the life/health insurance -
I know my grandfather had life insurance policies, but not sure about health. I remember them being on Medicare, and my grandfather not wanting to be in a nursing home (cost too much) - he didn't want to have to sell his land so one of my aunts took care of him.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:43 PM
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39. Have family members that watch only Fox, as well, and they're retired .gov employees.
Their teabaggery makes no sense to me except, perhaps, that there is this huge disconnect that most of us do not have access to the same great government healthcare and defined retirement plans that have given them so much peace of mind and security.

Every chance they get, though, they're out at the rallies screaming that the .gov is the problem.

It's maddening.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:33 PM
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38. New bumper sticker: "Escape From Wisconsin"!
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:36 PM
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56. that's old saw it when I went to college in WI 20 years ago. nt
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:03 PM
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61. No if I remember right it was "Escape to Wisconsin" -
they draw a lot of tourists from Chicago.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:12 PM
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64. "escape from wisconsin" was the joke bumper sticker it made fun of the state tourism one.
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 08:13 PM by mucifer
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:44 PM
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40. Michigan has gone Repuke too.....
The only consolation is that the new Governor may be a moderate. Not a teabagger type- but you know low income people will be in for a shellacing.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 04:50 PM
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42. God help MI. As if you all didn't have enough economic problems.
Here's hoping that your new republican governor does not slash jobs like the other new repubs.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:34 PM
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55. He'll govern like any other Republican
The congress will push him to the far-right. If he doesn't sign conservative legislation, he'll be challenged in a primary. MI will be in trouble for the next 2-4 years.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 07:36 PM
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57. Do you have any real media out your way or is it RW 24/7? nt
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:01 PM
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60. Isn't not RW 24/7
The media, however, is infatuated with him. He stays away from the media and communicates to them on his terms. He has never been challenged by the press either. The media has probably been worried about access to the likely winner which is why they haven't pushed him to open up. That will change once the honeymoon period is over.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 05:03 PM
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44. Same with Minnesota. Expect more bridges to fall.
Since repukes ruin every god damn thing they touch.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 05:04 PM
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45. Sen. Kohl just sent an email with a little good news
Throughout the afternoon and evening, a project known as the Littoral Combat Ship will be making news in Wisconsin. I’ve been working with the U.S. Navy on this matter for some time. And I want you to have facts and figures about why this is great news -- both for our national security and for working men and women in our state.

The Navy has announced its intent to accelerate plans to buy Littoral Combat Ships, including ten ships to be built by Marinette Marine over the next five years. This will get these valuable ships to our sailors faster, and bring 5,000 jobs to Wisconsin.

The Littoral Combat Ship, or LCS, is a new and innovative ship and the 55 ships the Navy plans to acquire will be the backbone of our 300 ship fleet. These fast, flexible ships will do a variety of missions. The Navy plans to use the LCS to hunt submarines, drug smugglers, pirates, and terrorists. It will be able to support our troops on the ground by providing fire support from the sea, relaying communications around the world, and supporting unmanned aerial vehicles like Predator drones. It will be a valuable tool in clearing mines and keeping vital sea lanes in the Persian Gulf open. It will also be able to get close to shore and insert or pick up special operations forces in hostile areas. The LCS is the ship we need for the conflicts we face today and will confront in the future.

What makes this ship a real change from the past is the way it is designed to be both capable and cost effective. It has a modular design, which means that for each different mission a LCS is sent to do – it will be able to switch out weapon systems so it has exactly what it needs. In the past a Navy ship did only one mission, but the LCS’s ability to switch out its equipment means it will be able to do many. This gives the Navy flexibility to respond to different threats – and save taxpayers’ money.

One of the reasons that the Navy has decided to change its plans for the LCS is because Marinette and its prime contractor Lockheed Martin have done an amazing job of driving down costs for the taxpayers. I have talked with Marinette Marine and Lockheed Martin’s CEO many times this last year discussing how they need to cut costs to win – and they responded. Their aggressive pricing has put this ship on track, and will get the Navy more ships faster.

The workers of Marinette Marine also made this possible with their commitment and craftsmanship. Their work ethic and ingenuity has made us all proud. This is a great example of companies and the Pentagon working together to get the best for our men and women in uniform.

For Wisconsin – this announcement means jobs. Both in Marinette where the company expects to hire 2,100 employees over the next couple of years, and around the state. Subcontractors, like DRS, Fairbanks-Morse, and other companies will see an uptick in orders. Marinette Marine believes that these ten ships will spur an additional 5,000 jobs around the state at a much needed time. Each ship Marinette builds will pump almost $300 million into our economy. This contract can help turn around the manufacturing sector in our state – and drive growth.

The Navy has confidence in Marinette and Lockheed Martin because they have seen results. The first LCS Marinette Marine built, the Freedom, is already doing well as part of the Navy, participating in anti-drug operations and on maneuvers in the Pacific. Marinette’s second ship, the Fort Worth, is under construction and expected to be finished around the end of the year.

We have worked with Marinette Marine closely to make this a reality: contacting the Secretary of the Navy, arguing for their company in Congressional hearings, working to get a winning deal. Today we are starting to see the results. Marinette Marine and Lockheed Martin have worked hard for our sailors and our country – and their success shows.

Sincerely,
Herb Kohl
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:10 PM
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49. Yeah, I just got it too.
We're going to have to make sure people know that Kohl did this not Walker....because by 2014 I'm betting they'll be saying that the repubs brought those jobs - that they came in with Walker - the few months difference in dates won't mean a thing to them...
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 05:59 PM
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47. Here in Michigan, I feel your pain
I truly do.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 06:20 PM
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52. You've felt it a lot longer..
My sister lives in Mich. and I have thought about moving over with her many times...but it all boiled down to too many fundie church people and militia for me...all around my sister's vacation property up by Whitehall there are woods full of painted targets and training spots for militias...(or just people who like to dress in fatigues and fire weapons and throw axes..)she had bullet holes in the back of their cabin already...don't know if it was hunters or fools...
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 07:49 PM
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58. we need to start blasting now
go after crayfish and her horrible abortion stance

milwaukee county is ready to go bk
hold that bastards feet to the fire and don't let anyone EVER forget

Shock and awe folks
shock and awe
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 07:52 PM
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59. The entire midwest region has apparently lost its damn mind.
Here in IL, we are actually going to hand over Obama's former seat to Republicant Kirk.

It's enough to make one severely ill.

Independents voted their fears and frustration.

Many young Democrats just stayed home.
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waddirum Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:08 PM
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63. high speed rail
The Spanish company Talgo had plans to build a manufacturing facility in Milwaukee to construct high-speed ready passenger rail cars (not locomotives).

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/86040017.html

Part of the impetus behind choosing Milwaukee for this facility was the planned HSR routes from Milwaukee to Chicago and Milwaukee to Madison (eventually Minneapolis).

Is the new Reupg Governor of Wisconsin going to shit all over this deal, killing both the HSR lines and the potential new manufacturing facility?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:14 PM
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65. Sure looks like it...
Doyle set it up the best he could so it could go forward...now (the new guy)Walker has hired a bunch of lawyers to figure a way to break the contracts .
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waddirum Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:50 PM
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67. Hey EC (and anyone else)
I currently live near Chicago, and I'm very interested in the Kenosha and Racine areas. My dream is to have a house right on Lake Michigan. I love North Beach in Racine (specifically Michigan Ave.), and I also like Carol Beach in Pleasant Prairie.

I know that both towns are having a shitty time of it in this economy, with the closure of the auto plant among others. I keep an eye on real estate, and I know that both towns are flooded with short sales and foreclosures.

I would love any honest opinion about living in Kenosha or Racine.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:12 PM
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68. I like Kenosha and Racine downtowns...
Carol Beach is alright - some nice houses - but built in 80's so not really so strong and by the Lake you need insulation because of the wind...it's pretty split politically in Carol Beach..Homes have lost about 30% equity so their cheap now...I've been watching prices in case of winning the lottery or something...you know...have to have a dream to space off to...I think from what I've seen in the real estate books we get monthly Racine's homes have lost more like 40% equity...

I like the downtown areas better because like in any city, there's more going on...both cities promote the arts. Racine is further along in the healthy foods category (grass fed meats, free range chicken, local produce), with some really good markets. Racine also has better restaurants and bars, but we are catching up fast. Here in Keno we've expanded our Open Market to winter week-ends too and it has really become popular so I can get the healthy foods here on week-ends. We've got some new art galleries following the tradition of The Lemon Street Gallery and Captain Mike's Bar has gone all kobe or grass fed beef and some of the best cheeses around...making the best macaroni and cheese I've ever had...and I've tried some really good combinations myself...just can't figure which sharp hard Italian cheese he's using...taste's like an aged Fontitella? Oh yeah...the biggest beer collection of micro's around...
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waddirum Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:45 PM
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70. Thanks
Thanks for that info. Part of the reason I was considering Racine and Kenosha are the proximity to the Amtrak Hiawatha and Metra UP-North lines respectively. I would love to keep a rental in Chicago, and have a home beyond the cheddar curtain. Either train line could allow such a scenario. The Amtrak Hiawatha line was slated to get some of the new Talgo trains. Imagine being able to travel from Racine (Sturtevant) to Downtown Chicago in an hour. I really hope that somehow HSR doesn't get killed in Wisconsin.

My absolute dream is to build a "manufactured" home (something very cool looking, eco, and modern) on an empty lot in Carol Beach facing the lake. I know that much of the land is protected in the Chiwaukee preserve. But I know that there are limited numbers of lots for sale. Southeast Wisconsin is truly a stunning place in my opinion. I also love the dunes between Pleasant Prairie and Kenosha.
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MrsCorleone Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:38 PM
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71. It's not looking good for Talgo at the moment,, given that you have both a repub governor &
and now a repub state legislature in WI that is against the project. If the lines from Chicago to Milwaukee and Madison are brought to a halt, this will dismantle the interstate commerce and manufacturing infrastructure being put together between the midwestern states.

WI's new repub governor will likely say that the HSR grant can be spent on other projects just to appease his constituents. This is not the case, from what I understand about the rules. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong on this. If the funds are not used for the rail project, WI cannot keep the grant and the funds will go to other states that are moving forward with their rail projects.

Fingers are crossed for WI and other midwestern states on this project. I mean, Jesus, this region could certainly use a good economic turn around. Unfortunately, without linking the major cities, your economies remain isolated and the new manufacturing may go to regions that will have better commerce friendly infrastructures.

Getting information to the local peeps is critical. I would bet that the majority do not even know how badly the repubs are undermining their economic recovery, so tell all that are willing to listen. Maybe a backlash will push these 'pubs into doing the right thing.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 08:17 PM
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66. Christie: stop the tunnel between NY and NJ
Repuke agenda, kill public works projects, de-educate America, make us the new China for the educated parts of the World.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:40 AM
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75. China already has the world's longest high-speed rail (HSR) network
China already has the world's longest high-speed rail (HSR) network with about 7431 km (4617 mi) of routes in service as of September 2010, which shows that statements like above are an example of how much information many Americans do not have here and how behind most folks are here in understanding how the rest of the world is developing as of 2010 not 1959.
While the recession-racked USA stuggles politically, China is reaching into its vast financial reserves to launch one of the most ambitious and expensive public-works programs ever undertaken.

China is funding public works in other countries like Ecuador

I am no commie or China lover, this is all being done under authoratarian capitalism and human / worker rights are often null
BUT
....... "make us the new China for the educated parts of the World."........
Don't get me started on why we often need H1B workers from the east for jobs that US citizens can not fill

Still thinking we are #1 in education and many other areas and that everybody else in the world is trying to catch up to us as of 2010 is part of our problem i think

Other Nations Outclass U.S. on Education
Of 30 Comparable Countries, American Students Perform Near the Bottom, while Finnish and South Korean Students Move to Top
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/14/eveningnews/main6866663.shtml
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:15 PM
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69. Things must be pretty depressing in Madison
I hope they at least have a few local reps who are Democratic.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 11:40 PM
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72. That is horrible. He is trying to break education and transportation.
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