I am convinced now that the MSM was heavily responsible for for our losses

[DainBramaged]

When you see that an estimated nearly 20,000,000 Dems ALONE, (10,000,000 MORE than Republicans) were no-shows, and wondering how many Independents were also no-shows, maybe because of the constant drumbeat coordinated with the Republicans that the election was going to be a landslide is a big part of the reason we lost.


:shrug:

[RandomThoughts]

1. We actually didn't lose, it just takes a different perspective.

However you are correct that money and media are trying to control the people.

[Bryn]

2. Of course!

It's true. It's all over the facebook!

In other countries people are required to vote even Australia. Maybe we should?

[virgogal]

3. The only ones responsible for the no-shows are themselves.

[DainBramaged]

4. Those of us on the DU who are political junkies should not speak unkindly of those not as interested

[left coaster]

8. To get off one' ass and vote doesn't seem like that much to ask of our fellow citizens. nt

[emulatorloo]

14. And it is a lot easier to do so with early voting. People that have to work all election day can

vote early.

[emulatorloo]

9. I'd like to see some hard number crunching done. However I do hear you get different type voters

turning out at midterm elections vs presidential. Midterm voters tend to be more conservative voters.

[virgogal]

17. My comment was hardly unkind.

[DainBramaged]

34. Open to interpretation

tomato, tomatoe

[left coaster]

6. Agreed. Apathy. Laziness.. whatever you wish to call it.. nt

[DainBramaged]

13. So people not as 'smart' as us aren't as good as US Dems?

No wonder people think we're snobs

[emulatorloo]

16. Pretty sure Republicans are critical of apathetic voters too. It is your civic duty to vote

I've got some emphathy for people who have a good reason that they can't vote on election day --sick, have to work, take care of kids, it is icy out and my leg is broken, etc etc. But then again now we have Early Voting in a lot of places.

[DainBramaged]

20. So in spite of all the obsticles thrown in front of them, it's the voters fault?

:eyes:


Amazing

[emulatorloo]

22. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I just wrote a post on having empathy for voters that can't get to the polls for real reasons - have to work, sick, take care of kids, injured etc.

And then I said it is getting easier for people to vote, because of early voting. (if you have to work on election day you can vote early etc)

And you come up with "So in spite of all the obsticles thrown in front of them, it's the voters fault?" and do the eyerolly thing.

Where do you get that? I am pretty sure we are on the same page about the issues we are discussing on this thread. So why do you want so badly to misrepresent me and demonize me?

[left coaster]

26. DainBramaged did it to me, too..

Two words for him/her. Reading comprehension.

[DainBramaged]

32. Two words for you, think of what the Slim Jim guy used to end his commercials with.

:puke:

[DainBramaged]

31. My apologies. I still think we have no right to blame those who chose not to vote.

it is a free country. At least until January.

[emulatorloo]

41. I appreciate the apology as well as your point of view. n/t

[left coaster]

25. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[left coaster]

24. Where did I use the word smart in my post? nt

[emulatorloo]

5. I really have no clue how to overcome the media obstacle.

There's a constant promotion of Republican Talking Points with no fact checking whatsoever on cable news.

AP News stories are filled with editorializing, words with negative connotations used as adjectives to describe Democrats, poor summaries, and misleading headlines.

They don't report on what is actually going on with Republicans until it is so obvious to people. Think Bush and Katrina Reaction - there was no way for them to ignore that, so they were stuck reporting it,

I sound like a broken record - Rachel Maddow is the only one of television doing well researched reporting that aims at getting to the truth,

The Blogosphere and Social Media can't really get around this behemoth of endless repetition of the Republican message.

[Cosmocat]

35. it's bad ...

They don't even make the pretense of being neutral anymore ... They clearly are giddy cheerleaders for the GOP/snarky bashers of Ds ...

Now way to get around it ... The Rs know it, and they have devolved to the point where they just flat make up shiite knowing full well they will never be held accountable for it and that the media will at worst just let it pass, or most likely help them to push it ...

[Orrex]

7. Today I was pleased to hear NPR continuing it's weeks-long campaign of handing the mike to Repubs

NPR: "Here you go, Senator McConnell. Why don't you spend a few minutes reminding NPR's listeners how terrible Obama is and how great it will be to see Republicans fixing everything that Obama's spent the last two years fucking up?"

McCONNELL: "Thank you, NPR. It's like this..."

[fadedrose]

10. If the left was happy, nothing would have stopped them from voting

I know what you mean, every network had the Dems losing.

But that wasn't why the Dems lost - progressives like me were told to "behave" and stop expecting to have our way - and even moderates weren't happy with the (lack of) Health Care Bill.

[emulatorloo]

18. Pretty sure most DU'ers voted.

[Initech]

11. I've been saying that since day one!

[ibegurpard]

12. Of course they were...

but were you happy enough with the Democratic performance to try to counteract it?
That's a big part of the problem...

[treestar]

15. The media definitely carries water for the Republicans

When we win it is in spite of them.

[pacalo]

19. And some stayed home because they were "making a statement" or felt

"What's the use?"

I have a son with a mental disability whose needs are barely met now. My husband & I stood up for him at the polls & registered our votes for the Democratic candidates who are more likely to help my son.

I sure wouldn't be bragging on DU that I stayed home because my son's not being helped. No, that's not going to "show" anyone anything except that I'm an ass who allowed the cold-hearted to take control of the branch that holds the purse strings. It shows only that I can pitch a hissy fit while cutting my nose off to spite my face.

:grr:

[doc03]

21. I may not have voted if I thought we were sure to win

the election. Myself if anything the constant drum beat from the media made me more likely to vote instead of less likely.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

23. well considering over 2 billion was spent on the

media, I think I agree with you.

[deacon]

27. Absolutely. 1) Media 2) Dems not bragging about their accomplishments 3) John Roberts. n/t

[spanone]

28. Political Ad Revenue Windfalls on TV and Radio

According to SNL Kagan, TV station political revenues in 2010 have the potential to grow at least 25% above 2006, to $2.5 billion, with political revenues for publicly-traded TV pureplays expected to exceed $300 million. In the 16

states with highly-contested elections, Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc. has the largest footprint of all TV pureplays, with 24 full power stations and an estimated 11.1 million TV households. Network O&Os are also expected to generate

revenue from political advertising, with CBS and Univision having the most exposure to toss-up states.

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=136411

[John Commonsense]

29. I'm not so sure about that.

Were they responsible for the wins in 06 and 08 then?

I believe that corporate $$$$$ + SCJ Roberts + a really shitty economy + the Administration (honestly) not selling their accomplishments (like Bush II did about his nothing accomplishments) all added to this disaster.

[DainBramaged]

33. Three key words about my OP sentence, : was heavily responsible

with the emphasis on heavily. I did not write that it was the only reason. As someone tried to tell me earlier in spite of my correct interpretation, reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.

[Johonny]

30. just from facebook posts I think it due to some weird nostalgia for 1990s

People seem to think these republicans are interested in repeating the Clinton years and that somehow that would work great. Like somehow it's good when Congress spends all its time and money on BJ investigations. Meanwhile NFTA happens and banks get deregulated. It's like people get congress completely wasted its time in the 1990s and they want that. People have lost the ability to believe Government does good things for them. Even though things the government does/did effect them heavily everyday.

[K8-EEE]

36. Yes, they schmooze up the big clients $$$$

They outspent us in the election -- all that money ends up in the MSM coffers.

[CommonSensePLZ]

37. 20 Million! Wow

I didn't vote because my district and state were already a lock for a democratic representative and governor

[Naturyl]

38. Of course it was.

We have a corporate-owned, uber-capitalist MSM and yet we somehow expect it to give a fair shake to the left? How anybody ever figured that is beyond me.

[patrice]

39. Never underestimate the power of Self-fulfilling Prophecy.

[jgraz]

40. Because the MSM was somehow unexpectedly different this time?

Or was it because the Democrats failed to account for what the rest of us have known was coming since before 2008?

[emulatorloo]

42. Media could not cover up 1) Bush Katrina "response" 2) McCain "fundamentals of the economy are

strong"

They do their damndest to protect republicans, unless they do something so egregious that there is no way they can ignore it without revealing themselves as the shills that they are.

This election cycle was about pushing for Republicans and pretending the Tea Bagger candidates were credible candidates.