Good clean fun or too sexual for girls that age?

[ZombieHorde]

Poll question: Good clean fun or too sexual for girls that age?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRIYL5uP6w&feature=related

[XemaSab]

1. Jon Benet called

She wants her creepy shtick back.

IMHO, the "lingerie" pushes this way over the edge from borderline.

[Radical Activist]

2. Preparing them for careers as strippers.

[Mimosa]

73. We agree! This almost looks like kiddie porn. *eek*

I was a hard fighting feminist. I'm a lipstick lesbian. 25 or 30 years ago I never imagined this kind of thing.

[spanone]

3. i'm no prude, but there are other forms of dancing that might be just as satisfying?

[mike_c]

4. I'm guessing this is probably not work safe?

You might want to append a warning if that's the case.

[XemaSab]

8. It's work safe

if your colleagues don't mind 7-year-olds dancing around dressed in old-west-hooker undies.

[mike_c]

10. oh well, that's different....

:rofl:

[ZombieHorde]

13. I don't know if the video is safe or not.

The video takes place at a school function and was probably endorsed by the school.

[mike_c]

19. good deal-- the content descriptions did make me wonder...

...whether I'd be terribly embarrassed if someone came to my door while I was watching. LOL-- in my job, raving on the internet half the day is easily tolerated, but the merest breath of sexual impropriety is a major ugly.

[provis99]

40. I think if you were a man and got caught watching this at work,

your coworkers would likely think you were a pedophile. So my vote is it's too sexy.

[onehandle]

5. Replace the slutty outfits and it's good clean fun.

As is, it's pervert bait. They do make nice dance outfits for seven year olds.

[Rage for Order]

6. Agreed. The dance routine is fine. The problem is they're dressed like hookers

Or, at best, strippers

[laundry_queen]

48. Exactly.

I have daughters in dance. So far they've never had any suggestive dances, but I have friends whose daughters who are in competitive dance who have routines like that. For me, it's the costume in this one that pushes it over the top. I'm not crazy about the dance either but by itself it's not a big problem. It's the hooker clothes that make me cringe.

[polichick]

11. I agree. nt

[blondeatlast]

76. Exactly--just change the outfits and it's fine. nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. "If you liked it you should have put some pants on it"

[smokey nj]

25. ......

:rofl:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. I am so glad somebody got that!

[smokey nj]

29. Best laugh I've had all day. Thank you!

[kick-ass-bob]

45. ROFL

:spray:

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. They have amazing dance skills for their age, but for me if it was my daughter I would tell

her instructor that the dance and costume aren't right her.

[alfredo]

16. Looks like they have some Ballet moves, some African

dance moves too. They were very good, but maybe not "age appropriate." Sometimes competition causes people to lose some sense of propriety.

[aikoaiko]

36. That's how I see it.

Just because a child can do something doesn't mean its ok.

[kdmorris]

12. Wow...

I thought it was bad when all my daughters were 8 and 9 and they started coming out with clothes that sexualized them (like short, tight shorts with Juicy written across their ass). Don't kids ever just get to be kids?

ETA: my daughters are 23, 20 and 18 now.

[Toucano]

14. This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on

copyright grounds.

Youtube: Taking the WORLD out of the world wide web since 2005

[TroglodyteScholar]

33. ...

i <3 meerkat

:D

[Toucano]

38. ...

☑

[derby378]

15. If my 7-year-old daughter was in that routine...

...I'd feel really, really uncomfortable about the costumes for that dance number, but I've seen worse in some child beauty pageants.

Kids are expected to grow up too damn fast nowadays. I think that's part of the problem with pedophilia in the modern world.

[walldude]

17. Great. Beauty Pagents. Lets make sure the girls

are vain and vapid before they hit puberty. Brilliant plan. I am so glad I had all sons.

[JuniperLea]

18. Someone already said it... perv bait...

I cannot imagine the school, the instructor, and the many parents of these girls all turned a blind eye to this blatant sexualization of little girls. What is wrong with people?

[MattBaggins]

42. Parents Parents Parents... You got it right there.

I have a 7 year old and that outfit would have come through my front door and immediately met a pair of scissors and the garbage can.

[JuniperLea]

71. Amen!

Then I'd raise a royal fit with the school and the instructor. Someone was NOT thinking here.

[laundry_queen]

50. I wouldn't be so hard on the parents.

A lot of these dance schools don't even let the parents stick around to watch their lessons ("too distracting for the class"). Most of the time, at our year end recitals, the routine is a surprise for the parents. I can see the parents not even being aware of this.

[JuniperLea]

69. That's just wrong...

I would insist. I was a dancer from age three to age 30, and I've had countless dance outfits and routines. While a minor, my mom knew everything... as it should be. I never allowed secrets whilst parenting my own three either.

[AnArmyVeteran]

20. Way too far. Dancing for kids is fine, but not like hookers & strippers.

And the reactions from the audience at the most sexual/provocative moves are disgusting. I can't see any normal parent allowing their children to dance this way.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Creepy, Pedophile Bait

Parents should know better.
GAC

[LiberalFighter]

22. Very inappropriate

[blogslut]

23. I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion

[smokey nj]

24. I think the costumes are completely inappropriate for girls of that age.

They're all very talented though.

[JVS]

26. That song and dance, and especially the clothing, are not appropriate for young children.

[Canuckistanian]

27. Yeah, it's all fun and games

Until you get strangled to death in the basement by a pervert.

[AndrewP]

30. LOL. It is perv bait. Yeesh.

[Canuckistanian]

35. I couldn't watch more than a few seconds

But what I saw was TOTALLY inappropriate for 7-year olds.

[JoePhilly]

31. This is fine ... these girls need to learn their place early ... they need to be hot ...

so that a rich republican man will want to marry them and sire off-spring with them, before he runs off with his secretary.

We all need to know our place in the world.

:hide:

[seabeyond]

46. i dunno.... have you listened to the poor democratic males on du? i dont agree it is a

right left issue with our girls, but a gender issue with our girls.

[JoePhilly]

87. I won't argue that some Dems, and even some DU members share this same ...

view of women, and girls (thus my post) ... but on the whole, it is harder to treat women and girls that way when you hold many of the principles that most (not all, most) Dems hold. It is very easy for men in the GOP to hold such views, for them, there is little cognitive dissonance to overcome. True Democratic men who also hold such views, have to do some psychological gymnastics to make such views "fit".

[seabeyond]

89. thanks joephilly

probably true.

[Lyric]

32. The costumes are a bit adult, but I have no issue with the dancing.

If they were wearing less revealing outfits, it'd be perfectly fine with me.

:shrug:

[flvegan]

34. The outfits and the song ruin it.

Some of the dance moves, albeit modern, are just a bit much. Otherwise, lots of ballet and good choreography.

Either way, I'm kinda creeped out, so there's something that obviously strikes me as being wrong.

Just to be sure I wasn't being too prudish, I went and YouTube'd the original, and it looks like some of it is taken directly from the video. Aaaaand that's 3+ minutes of my life I'll never get back.

[CommonSensePLZ]

37. This is EXACTLY what it looks like

A bunch of little girls wearing fetish bras and knee-high boots meant for post-pubescent, sexually mature females, looks like something burlesque house dancers would wear.

I'd bet money that the guy that decided to dress them has some http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA">Oingo Boingo on his iPod and probably went as Pedobear for Halloween.
:rofl:
Feminism is pretty dead in the water when the girls are being brought up to be video hos and to aspire to the Hollywood that has been so helpful to the likes of the once promising Lindsay Lohan.

I saw a couple of the parents defend this on HLN once, almost just as creepy.

[Odin2005]

39. EWWW!!! I need eye bleach!

[HopeHoops]

41. Shit, I didn't make it six seconds into that video. That's just wrong.

Their parents should be tied up in public and pelted with rotten tomatoes. What the FUCK is wrong with them?

[laundry_queen]

51. Read my post upthread

many times the parents aren't very aware of the routines themselves. In many dance schools, parents aren't allowed to watch and the routines at the year end recitals are surprises - and the teachers like it that way. However, if I was one of those parents and they did that to my 7 year old daughter (and I do have one and I cannot imagine her wearing that...ew...) I would raise the biggest shit stink after seeing that! But it would be too late by then.

[HopeHoops]

55. Hey, in five seconds I could tell that was inappropriate - even the dancing.

The outfits were beyond slutty, but the dance routine was pretty sick too - in less than six seconds. I won't watch any more of that. Hell, I've seen "cheerleader" routines from girls about that age that crossed the line in a big way. My wife teaches kindergarten and they have one of those WII things (for physical exercise, or so they say), but the "dance" program is a major hit. She lets the younger teachers deal with it because she wants to vomit when she sees the girls doing pelvic thrusts, running their hands through their hair in a suggestive manner and other things that are perfectly fine for an adult female but totally inappropriate for a 5 year old.

[seabeyond]

43. look, since we want to create all women as mens wh*res, we have got to start young and knock out

that self worth and respect. condition them young to know their place and sexuality is their only tool.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. I'm all for WOMEN celebrating their sexuality

but good goddess, this wreaks of "training." And those costumes! I'm not, by any stretch of the imagination a prude but, oy vey!

[seabeyond]

47. isnt it grand that us women have been "trained" to declare we arent a prude before we say

anything.

hm

[Le Taz Hot]

49. I had to fight that battle with NOW

many years ago. I couldn't get it through their heads that women being sexual wasn't exploitation for the benefit of men. It was a liberation. (Not to mention is was getting us off but that's another thread.) In my book, that's what REAL feminism is -- freedom to express who you are, including your sexuality, not hide it or apologize for it nor have to defend it TO OTHER WOMEN.

[seabeyond]

52. ah, but this goes over YOUR line and you have to clarify. the only difference i am seeing

is YOUR line of acceptable. as i see with others.

really yawl, really, i like sex. please, dont call me asexual, ugly or jealous. i do like sex

silliness to me

[blondeatlast]

79. Agreed. I belly dance--and I've been really surprised

at the reactions I've gotten from other women.

[uncommon]

78. +1,000,000,000,000 this makes me really sad

[Fla_Democrat]

53. Lemme ask Gilbert Chan

See what he thinks....


http://www.kcra.com/news/15737396/detail.html

Oh wait, is that a cheerleading competition?

[Dreamer Tatum]

54. I'm a dance dad whose girls know those girls and their parents

...and trust me, it's good clean fun. What you are all missing is perspective: they don't tell those girls to just go out there and sake their asses. It's choreographed, and all they care about it hitting their marks.

And who do you think is in the crowd? Families of those girls, other dancers, and the families of other dancers. I have been asked to leave before until I proved that my kid was there to compete!

So, although it doesn't look good to an outsider, trust me...clean fun.

[KittyWampus]

60. yes, burlesque routines are choreographed. That doesn't make it appropriate for pre-pubescent kids.

Here's the lyrics for ya:



All the single ladies <7x>

Now put your hands up!


Up in the club, we just broke up
I'm doing my own lil' thing
You decided to dip and now you wanna trip
Cuz another brother noticed me
I'm up on him, He up on me
Don't pay him any attention
just cried my tears, gave you three good years
You can't be mad at me


Cuz if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it
If you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Don't be mad once you see that he want it
Cuz if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!
Whoa! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

Cuz if you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Don't be mad once you see that he want it
Cuz if you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!
Whoa! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!


I got gloss on my lips, a man on my hips
hold me tighter than my Dereon jeans
acting up, drank in my cup
I could care less what you think
I need no permission, did I mention
Don't pay him attention
Cuz you had your turn
And now you gonna learn
What it really feels like to miss "B"




Don't treat me to these things of the world
I'm not that kinda girl
Your love is what I prefer, what I deserve
Here's a man that makes me then takes me
And delivers me to a destiny, to infinity and beyond
Pull me into your arms
Say I'm the one you want
If you don't, you'll be alone
And like a ghost I'll be gone

[Dreamer Tatum]

66. I guess you just have to be there.

But whatever. Enjoy the view.

[seabeyond]

62. trust me, conditioning our girls..... clean fun, sure. subtle conditioning, absolutely

when our 7 yr old play with a strippin doll, with a strippin pole, the girls are just clean funnin it, but then they are only 7 yrs old..... but it teaches them, as all us parents know with media and all the other societal garbage fed to our kids in so many ways, and we protect them from even though they dont "get it"

[Dreamer Tatum]

65. Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

None whatsoever.

[uncommon]

80. So you are the only parent who can tell the difference between sexualizing children and

"good clean fun" ??

Dressing a 7 year old girl like a stripper is inappropriate and unnecessary. It's great if there were only sweet, well meaning parents in that crowd. But I guarantee it isn't just sweet, well meaning parents watching that video that is on the internet for all the world to see.

I have an almost 7 year old daughter. She loves dancing. No way in HELL would I allow her to dress in a costume like that.

I don't doubt the sincerity of the kids - they are obviously talented. I do think that parents and instructors need to consider the age of their little performers before making certain decisions.

Frankly I don't think any dance troop of kids should dress this way - at any age pre-adulthood.

[seabeyond]

84. bullshit. tell me, did the teacher use any sexual terms in conveying the dance?

did she talk about the girls using their bodies, shake that boodie, attitude, dress. do you know that in learning that dance, there were not references. you dont know shit. you dont know how she conveyed the attitudes and what she was teaching those girls. the reality ios, that the teacher not thinking about sexualing the girls, as she obviously did not think about it, would use words in order to teach the attitude of dance. and THAT is what happens in performance

[seabeyond]

64. here is a video of a bunch of kids, with parents, clueless, hittin their mark

in some clean fun.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/875745/

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[uncommon]

82. Okay, now YOU are missing the point.

And that was a disgusting comment.

[seabeyond]

83. well, there you go. i am talking about the girls... not about "other" people and their reaction

to the dance. so obviously it is not about turning me on. that is not my issue, but go crude to put me in my place. fuck that shit. pay attention..... conditioning our girls.... where, anywhere, have i commented on others reaction? give it up dude. or do you just throw out shit without any reasons.

[uncommon]

81. Ew.

[Dappleganger]

56. Fine for a girls slumber party, not ok for public viewing

where any perv (or perv in the making) can walk in and watch.

Yes, I'm a parent and we have two girls (19 and 14) and two boys (17 and 13).

[Dreamer Tatum]

58. Single men are asked to prove they belong.

There is security, believe me.

[skygazer]

85. On the internet?

What sort of dream bubble are you living in?

I would question the reasonableness of a kids' dance routine that required security and the screening of single men anyway, regardless of whether it was to be posted on YouTube for all the world to see. Doesn't the fact that security and precautions are required speak to the questionable content of the performance?

[TwilightGardener]

57. Ugh. Glad I have boys. Why do people let their daughters do that?

Whatever happened to ballet/tap/jazz?

[Mimosa]

74. Really.

I know what you mean. They don't even let their kids learn to play instruments.

[KittyWampus]

59. Even if they were wearing Grammie Jammies- that's a burlesque routine. Not appropriate for children

who haven't even reached puberty.

And it's disturbing some DU'ers think it'd be appropriate with more conservative costumes.

And the song- I don't know much about pop culture but do know this song. :wtf:

[Aristus]

61. okay, I lasted two seconds before I had to click off the video.

Way too sexual!

Perverted, if you ask me...

[begin_within]

63. What will they do at age 11? Porn?

[immoderate]

68. LOL. The eye of the beholder.

--imm

[MadHound]

70. It's Pedabear approved!

Sorry, it isn't the dance routine itself. It is the thumping "stripper music" and costumes that are inappropriate here.

The could have accomplished the same thing using different music and less risque costumes.

[JitterbugPerfume]

72. disgusting

[blondeatlast]

75. Let them be cute and kidlike. That's over the top. nt

[uncommon]

77. The costumes alone were completely out of line.

They can dance without dressing like strippers.

I would be appalled if a dance instructor ever wanted my daughter to do that and I wouldn't allow it.

[MilesColtrane]

86. Too young for the outfits and the booty dance.

[proteus_lives]

88. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't let her do that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

90. I am fine with the dancing and the song. Clothes and makeup are way too adult