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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:15 PM
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How not to win friends and influence people.
Please don't fall into the trap.

We lost an election on Tuesday. Let's not try to sugar-coat things--losing 60 House seats, six Senate seta, and nine governorships is losing. There's a lot of frustration going on.

Did everyone forget how bad things were in 2008?
Don't they remember what a mess George "30%" Bush left behind?
Wasn't it the Republicans who ran the economy into the ground?
Didn't the GOP spend all of the last two years doing nothing but sabotage any kind of progress.
Don't they realize how bad things would have been if not for the stimulus?
Why aren't they grateful for the health insurance bill?

A few memes quickly boil out of all of this. We tell each other things that in our minds explain how such good people might have lost. But it's a trap--for the more we think them, the worse we'll do in the next election, and every one after that. What are these memes? Try these out:

The people are stupid.

It's a comforting explanation. We didn't do anything wrong. We did everything right, and if only the voters were smarter they'd realize that.

It's no secret to a lot of the public that a lot of self-proclaimed elites look down on them. And guess what--it turns out to be a really bad way of getting their support. Once someone figures out that you think you're better than him for no reason that he can see, he stops paying attention to you.

Even if it were true, as long as they understand that you think that, they'll never vote for you.

Sometime we try to cushion the blow a littke:

They're not stupid, they're ignorant.

They get distracted by American Idol or Survivor. Or maybe it's not even their fault: they want to be informed, but they get deceived by the MSM, and Fox News. They can't find their way to the truth as easily as we can.

Strangely enough, this doesn't melt a voter's heart either. Once I figure out why, I'll report back.

These days, there's another explanation, too:

The people are racists.

Honestly, if we want to make sure we never win another election, this would be a good thing to shout from the rooftops. I see it used as an explanation of almost every setback that happens. Even though Obama won the presidency with the largest margin in years. Even though his approval rating when entering office was in the 70s. Even though important figures in the GOP of late have been Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Nicky Haley and Sarah Palin--all ethnic/religious minorities or women.

Is racism dead? Of course not. Not even close. But take the swing voter who voted for Obama in 2008, or who voted for McCain but not because of his race, and say the reason she voted Republican is because she's racist, well--it's a good chance she'll never vote for you again.

Remember how angry you got when Bush and his stooges called you unpatriotic, because you didn't support his warmongering and human rights violations? I've never forgiven him for it, and I doubt I ever will. Screw you, I thought. You don't know me. How dare you say that I love my country any less than you?

Well, that's what these voters think when they hear themselves being called racists.

A lot of the public already thinks that self-appointed elites on the coasts look down on them--that we think they're dumb, or uninformed, or prejudiced, or hopelessly religious, or xenophobic, or too fond of weaponry, or provincial. Why do they vote for Republicans instead of Democrats? Because they think--often wrongly--that people like Bush understand them and value their contributions to society more than Democrats do. And when they hear us responding to a loss not by addressing their concerns, but by calling them stupid or racist, well, don't expect them to vote for us next time, either.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:20 PM
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1. People Who Voted Repub ARE Lazy, Stupid, Ignorant Racists
and there's no cure.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:52 PM
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4. There's no cure for our party as long as we keep that attitude.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:47 AM
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10. Cure For Seeing Assholes As They Are? HAHAHA
you can't reason with someone who doesn't think, believe in science or facts. PERIOD
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:22 PM
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17. You are painting independents with the same racist, stupid, greedy brush.
We won't win them back by continuing to call them idiots.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:40 PM
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18. The OP
just gave you facts and you refuse to think.

I wouldn't laugh to hard at that cure. It would probably help when looking in the mirror.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:15 PM
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20. Facts I'll Give You Facts - Dumb People Like Dumb People
Like GWB dumb as shit makes 'em feel smart. The are the idiots with the my kid beat up yur honor student bumper stickers - or those who demonize the educated. Give me a freaking break. They know who's on idull or survivior but not how the government works or who's working FOR or against them.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 04:48 PM
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24. Um, yea
those are you're opinions, not facts. Typical partisan stereotypes really. Sorry.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:16 PM
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21. My point exactly so off to ignore with you, again. Welcome back , sort of n/t
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:48 AM
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11. I Forgot Greedy and Delusional
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:21 PM
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2. well, I disgaree that most people are racists, but
most voters are stupid and ignorant. That's been confirmed by political scientists in the NES studies going all the way back to the 1950's. The trick is realizing that the voters are stupid and ignorant, and appealing to their stupidity and ignorance, without letting them know that we know they're stupid and ignorant. The people who post on DU and other similar political blogs are a small slice of the population, and are elitists in the sense that they are well informed of the issues. Most voters couldn't tell you who the Vice-President is, won't remember if the Democrats or Republicans control different houses of Congress, can't really name any issue they care about, and are woefully misinformed about what candidate's and their Congresspeople's stances on the issues are.
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:26 PM
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7. There certainly are some people...
... who will choose not to be informed. The ones clamoring for Obama's birth certificate, for example. (Scarily, some of them are elected to Congress.) They may never listen to what we want to say.

But Bush's approval rating was in the 30s at one point. Obama's was in the 70s. A lot of people are open to voting Democratic. We need to be careful not to make them think we look down on them. From my reading of what you wrote, I think we agree on that...
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:51 PM
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3. I've said the same thing here for years.
We won't get the American masses to come our way and stay if we consider them--and call them--ignorant, racist morons.

But the small minority of the world that is represented by DU doesn't want to hear it.

To the average DUer, the American public ARE a bunch of drooling, idiotic, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging Neanderthals that can't understand that WE are the party of the little guy, stupid though he may be.

Here's one small thought: as long as talk of patriotism makes us feel uncomfortable, we won't get anywhere with Middle America. News flash: Middle America LOVES America. They're very patriotic. And unless and until we can routinely say, mean, and show that progressive ideals ARE patriotic and good for America, we won't make much headway with Joe Six Pack Independent.

Just a thought.
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:21 PM
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6. Thank you. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 09:59 PM
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5. Highly recommended. Thank you. The ones pushing those memes aren't very bright themselves
Edited on Thu Nov-04-10 10:02 PM by Catherina
and it's frankly embarrassing to see them trying to lord it over other people who don't see things their own narrow little way.
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:26 PM
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8. Thanks for the rec.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-10 10:53 PM
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9. Oops. I forgot to rec.
Just did.

Now some Negative Ned can unrec it.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:50 AM
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12. I agree. Calling people names does no good. Two years ago
we were praising the American people for electing Obama. It's lazy to blame this mess on "the people" when 2 years ago they gave dems the keys to the kingdom.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 07:51 AM
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13. I hope people hear what you are saying. Good Post!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:10 AM
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14. Most people are well-meaning folks that are mislead by MSM BS. They are NOT "stupid".
Most people are NOT "ignorant" either, taking the typical mental faculties of a person of average intelligence into account. Most people with a keen interest in politics tend to be more intelligent than average and thus enjoy reading stuff on political theory and philosophy. A person of average intelligence (IQ of 100) generally is not interested in such abstractions, they are far more concerned about what is going on in their daily lives.
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maryellen99 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 08:13 AM
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15. about the race thing
If you ask someone why they don't like Obama and they don't have an answer, it's safe to assume it's because he is black.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:18 PM
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23. It's an impertinent question that none of anyone else's damn business n/t
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 03:24 PM by Catherina
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:22 PM
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16. Our side didn't work hard enough on GOTV, so too many people stayed home
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:43 PM
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19. Independents that swing to either party are not idiot racists, just the right wing teabaggers.
There is a difference.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:17 PM
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22. So we should stand up and be angry and in your face about
everything except racism. Got it. Thanks.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 09:20 PM
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25. .
:kick:
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