Getting sick of Cali and Mass thinking they are better progressives

[Tveil]

It is much harder being a Progressive in a Red State. Even being Progressive in a Midwestern Blue State, like the one I live in, has more challenges. But we don't give up. I really feel for those in the Southern Red states and commend them for sticking it out when everyone is against them.

[OHdem10]

1. Especially when the Party pushes one agenda. We are like

the Republicans just nicer.

[flamingdem]

2. Sorry you are jealous, you could also be proud of the tremendous gotv done in those states nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

11. I don't think it's jealousy so much as a disappointment over some of

the smug posts. :hi:

[flamingdem]

15. link to one of those? nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

22. You bet. Happy to oblige.

Several posts in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=9465290

and this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=9484395

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=9486228#9486373


I am thrilled for California (both of my brothers live there) and I hope to be a small part in turning Texas blue again, but I really don't think it's about jealousy. It was that ever so faint tinge of smug that sometimes rears its head on DU. :hi:

[flamingdem]

30. Thanks, I think it's pride plus relief that Dems came out, remember we elected Arnold!! nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

38. Understood, but it can easily be mistaken when worded like calling

people jealous. There are a good many people, like those who are in my home state of MI who are hurting over what has happened right now. :hi:

[flamingdem]

42. Both are unintentional emotions, both are human and there's no one lording over other states loss nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

43. There was, as linked, a bit of smugness...and jealous wasn't a very non smug word. n/t.

[ourbluenation]

3. check this out - DU thread from 2003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x432808

btw, who here from cali or MA said they were better progressives??? I must have missed that.

[Dreamer Tatum]

4. Yeah, Cali progressives are so great that the $20B annual deficit just vanished overnight

What a joke. CA has serious, structural issues. And if I hear "Prop 13" one more fucking time, I will just assume that someone has a plan to house all the seniors who would be foreclosed due to tax liens.

[arbusto_baboso]

6. One can retain Prop 13 benefits for senior homeowners and still miitgate much of its budget effects.

Just an FYI for you: the buyer of the average priced home in California last year paid the equivalent of $2 per square foot in property tax.

Disney Corporation paid $.05 per suare foot for its California holdings.

Prop 13 MUST be reformed with respect to business properties. To NOT do so is the height of irresponsibility.

[Dreamer Tatum]

36. I can get behind the corporate side, NOT the resi side nt

[KamaAina]

39. Then let's form a coalition to repeal just the corporate side

although we just saw Prop 24, which would have taken back $1.3B in corporate tax breaks, go down to ignominious defeat.

[arbusto_baboso]

44. How about putting a dollar cap on the residenrtial side?

see, there are large generational mansions in California which are also getting out from paying anything like a fair property tax. Homes that have been in extremely wealthy families for many years, and which get around any property tax increases by being passed down to other family members. It's like an inheritance tax in reverse.

I think we need to do away with that, too, and only reserve the bennies of Prop 13 for the middle and lower income folk.

[Ozymanithrax]

5. I like to call it being more effective progressives...

Yes, California managed to come out a little bluer in this election, and Massachusetts more so. We do not have as many Conservative-small-government-give-me-something-for-nothing types cluttering up our system.

But if you want to make us Cali's feel bad,just remind us that Reagan was our governor before he was a shit-fuck-piece-of-trash U.S. President. It is our fault RepubliCONs have him to hold their scummy party together.

And look what Maxs did with Kennedy's Senate seat, they put a RepubliCON Centerfolder into the Senate. That will make them feel bad.

Welcome to DU.

[Dappleganger]

7. I am truly happy for them that they are successful.

What I wish for is for those who are on "top" to stop bashing us down South and pushing the "ignorant" memes. You don't like it? Fine, offer some solutions and encouragement for those of us who are proud voting liberals down here.

[arbusto_baboso]

9. One possible solution: sothern progressives need to start infiltrating local school boards.

That's where the religious right started their insidious campaign. That's where we'll finally beat them.

[blondeatlast]

33. Surprising how few people are unaware of this. This is something that

the Greens and Dem progressive groups should really, really be encouraging. I tried it, but I got seriously ill and had a family tragedy during the campaign and had to drop.

I'd do it again if I didn't have to do all the damn work myself, pretty much.

[blondeatlast]

31. Yep, in the internet age, the reps represent ALL of us. So instead of bitching about the likes

of Rubio and McCain, get on the damn phone, jump in your car (it's lovely here in October), or at least send $
5 bucks to the campaigns before you whine.

THREE threads headed by "How can McCain be leading in Arizona?" this season alone. Bless their concerned little hearts...

[flamingdem]

32. This is a good dialog to start here, I'd like to hear more on this nt

[orwell]

8. Another circular firing squad?

...(sigh) :(

[K8-EEE]

I know, total bullshit, we worked hard in CA!!

We had to go against massive RW money and propaganda and we had a massive amount of volunteers -- that's how you do it! ALL YEAR the media was saying Boxer was a goner, Meg was up by 10. The people turned it around. It was a victory, why tear it down?

[Romulox]

10. California is a land a massive inequality + greed. I don't see it as all that "progressive"

The voters there also just voted to continue the War on Drugs. :shrug:

[krabigirl]

27. true, but almost half did not. baby steps.

[arcane1]

12. Who is saying that?

I'm not familiar with the concept of better or worse progressives... I certainly haven't heard anyone make the claim. :shrug:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

13. Northern midwest progressives are the best

because we ice-fish.

Try THAT in fuggin' California or a southern red state.

Wait, what is this discussion about?

:wtf:

[arbusto_baboso]

18. How the hell do you even COOK an ice fish?

This Californian wants to know. :silly:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

19. Cooking is easy. Gutting the thing is tricky

I like mine warmed to 40 degrees, then mixed with scotch. Mmmmm, nice cold ice fish!

:hi:

[arbusto_baboso]

21. Everything is better with scotch!

Although, I prefer single malt, with maybe just a small drop or two of spring water.

But to each their own.

:hi: :toast: :beer:

[meegbear]

14. NAH NAH NAH NAH-NAH! NAH NAH NAH NAH-NAH!

My state is better than your state! Your state has cooties! Your state has cooties!

[EFerrari]

16. Come and check out my blue/red state partnering thread.

And don't take random comments on this huge board too seriously. Most of the posts I've seen from this state, anyway, have been some version of relief!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9477853&mesg_id=9477853

[Arkana]

17. I'm from Massachusetts and I'm BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU.

*pops in monocle, sips cognac*

[K8-EEE]

28. Oh here we go with the "elitist" bullshit

OK whatever if not having Rand Paul be Senator in my state makes me an elitist, hand me another cognac!

[Arkana]

34. Pssst...I'm from Massachusetts. I was making a joke.

[K8-EEE]

35. Pssst I know, pass the arugula!

Gotta get my latte, where's my volvo keys? I think the OP is playing the Elitist card....

[JuniperLea]

20. OFFS!

You know what we think? Even if that ridiculousness were true, the thought police do not, or at least should not exist. I don't relish being told WHAT my thoughts are or whether someone else thinks they are valid.

You should be happy that CA (I really hate "Cali" as a state nick, seriously)leads the way and shows the way and supports the rest.

[Fresh_Start]

23. I am proud of California voters for NOT being suckers

$160 million in ads on the wonderfulness of Meg by Meg
$30 million in ads on how Fiorina can fix CA by Fiorina
$20+ million in ads on how our air/water pollution standards need to be sacrificed for job
plus hundreds of millions on dollars of ads on behalf of the Republicans and for pro-industry propositions

We are not better progressives.
But thank goodness, for once, we were able to turnout the lying messengers.

[K8-EEE]

29. +1

[AlinPA]

24. RE: "everyone is against them" Do you mean the Red States or the progressives in the Red States?

I hope you mean the rightwing is against them and not DU'ers.

[jillan]

25. You know I heard this from my family in Chicago for years.

Becareful people, Republican leaders are coming to a town near you too.

[K8-EEE]

26. Frankly I'm kissing the ground here in CA

But I have all the respect in the world for any right-thinking person who lives in red state America, I don't know how they do it. A lot of them leave actually -- both my husband and my dad got out of dodge right after HS graduation and never looked back.

[fascisthunter]

37. more bs

[treestar]

40. Sometimes this board ignores the nature of our system

And talks as if it were a simple majority system.

Progressives tend to be in the cities and high population states, and that means they will always have fewer Senators. And instead of helping people in redder states they seem to trash them for doing the best they can.

Like you can turn rural red state people into progressives - that's a lot harder than it sound to someone who lives in the middle of a city in a blue state.

Keep on keeping on.

[MzNov]

41. First I've heard of this....

:shrug:

Welcome to California!!

(now go home)