Bill Maher Disses The Daily Show Rally: It’s Better To Have A Rally That’s “About Something” (Video)

[Turborama]

Partial quote:

"The message of the rally, as I heard it, was that, if the media stopped giving voice to the crazies on both sides, then maybe we could restore sanity. It was all nonpartisan and urged cooperation with the moderates on the other side forgetting that Obama tried that and found out…there are no moderates on the other side. When Jon announced his rally, he said the national conversation was dominated by people on the Right who believe Obama’s a Socialist and people on the Left who believe 9/11’s an inside job, but I can’t name any Democratic leaders who think 9/11’s an inside job. But Republican leaders who think Obama’s a Socialist…all of them."

He also says, Keith Olbermann reports facts and Glenn Beck "is very close to playing with his poop". :rofl:

5 minute clip of this "New Rule" and Mediate's comments here: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-disses-the-daily-show-rally-its-better-to-have-a-rally-thats-about-something/

[EmeraldCityGrl]

1. Somehow Maher's comments are more meaningful given

what happened to Keith today. That Jon saw fit to throw KO in the same media hack status as the the ones from Faux flashing
on the giant screens should give Stewart a clue as to the difference between the two. Olbermann took that very personally and
certainly didn't deserved to be flashed up their with Beck, Hannity et al.

[lib_wit_it]

6. Excellent rant. It made up for his lame handling of O'Liely at the beginning.

[Waiting For Everyman]

2. K&R That was priceless! And so true.

Thanks for posting it, Turborama. :)

[Syrinx]

3. I like the Daily Show, but...

But Jon does seem confused about the levels of deceit between conservatives and liberals. I don't get. He has described himself as a "socialist," in the past. Yet he can't see that the Republicans lie, and Democrats (mostly) speak the truth. I don't know. :shrug:

[Leopolds Ghost]

4. K&R for truth

And enough with the 9-11 misdirection: lots of people were warned it was going to happen and the warnings were conveniently ignored by people who knew what Bin Laden was up to. There were articles in the paper warning of Bin Laden's plans months, if not a year before it happened. Good luck finding those articles now.

[True_Blue]

48. How soon we forget

I have a ton of old bookmarks from DU. Here's an article dated 1 1/2 months before 9/11. They at least knew enough to not fly commercial.

"WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
Ashcroft Flying High
Cabinet Members Normally Fly Commercial Airlines"

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

[Poboy]

5. Jon just got call out, taken down, and was shown his ASS. Good job Bill. K&R-nt

[JimboDem]

7. Excellent Maher

thanks for the video/link.

[Scuba]

8. Bill is right. Again. n/t

[whathehell]

9. Yes...

Some of us here were saying as much the day of and after the rally.
:eyes: It wasn't received quite as well.

[Cass]

10. Bill Maher nailed it. nt

[xchrom]

11. i'm not a maher fan -- but i gotta give him props for this. nt

[NNN0LHI]

12. Me neither but he sure got it right here

:thumbsup:

[JonLP24]

31. I actually like Stewart more than Maher

but I agree with Bill 100% on this one.

[Mimosa]

32. Same here. n/t

[B Calm]

13. Thousands of young people were wondering why they went to Washington

that day. It was a good rant by Maher!

[lame54]

21. have you talked to them...

I went and I loved it

and I don't believe Jon thinks Keith is Glenn

[B Calm]

52. So hows that traffic flow goin' fer ya.

[stray cat]

14. Isn't a competent effective government instead of political grandstanding something

Have we degenerated to the point that we no longer want a govermenment that works for the people and just want people who yell about issues and accomplish nothing

[WinkyDink]

18. Do you believe the Republican Party cares about "the people"?

[Goblinmonger]

28. I believe that my friends that are Republican care about "the people."

I could find examples of Dems that I think don't give a shit about "the people." Maher is just feeding the monster that all Republicans are just a half step from killing us and eating our brains.

[Turborama]

36. How many "moderate" Republican politicians do you know of?

If they took part in the latest election, any idea who your Republican friends voted for?

[Flubadubya]

41. Your individual Republican friends may seem to care about "the people"...

but they have chosen the wrong vehicle (Rethug party) to accomplish that goal. Therefore they are either woefully ignorant or else really do not care as much as you think about "the people".

Individual sentiments might be laudable, but it's the "net effect/bottom line" that really counts and there is no way the Republican party is going to deliver an outcome that is "good for the people".

Maybe they are not the "monster that is just a half step from killing us and eating our brains", but they are (wittingly or not), given the nature of the core philosophy and ideology of Republicanism, bound to destroy the "common American". As a whole, Republicans do NOT care about "the people". Don't ever doubt that fact.

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45. And the way you change the mind of those people is by calling them murders and racists.

As Keith Olbermann and others have done so many times.

[Turborama]

46. Please list the Republicans Keith Olbermann has called "murders and racists" (sic) "many times" n/t

[Poboy]

49. I noticed you got no answer to that one. It has no answer.

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54. Umm, I'm sorry I dont have time to be on this site 24/7. But great job on the projection

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55. Here is KO calling Scott Brown a racist and a supporter of violance against women and politicians

"In short, in Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and against politicians with whom he disagrees. In any other time in our history, this man would have been laughed off the stage as an unqualified and a disaster in the making by the most conservative of conservatives. Instead, the commonwealth of Massachusetts is close to sending this bad joke to the Senate of the United States"

He went on to say that he apologies for calling Scott Brown all that, apologize by saying he is sorry he left out sexist.

Here is daily show's take on it:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-21-2010/special-comment---keith-olbermann-s-name-calling

Do you need me to point out more times that Olbermann has called people racist? Really?

As far as murderer goes? Keith has repeatedly said Bill O'Reilly is a murdered because of what happened to Tiller.

[Turborama]

56. So what's you're point? He calls out racists?

And he "said Bill O'Reilly is a murdered because of what happened to Tiller" (sic) did he? I'd like you to quote exactly what he said, please.

Is that all you've got? Not exactly "many times", is it?

You seem to be very defensive towards Republicans, what's up with that?

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57. How is Scott Brown racist?

On Tiller, this is just one quote of many:

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And words can kill. After domestic terror claims Dr. George Tiller, what the right-wing extremists of Fox have to answer for tonight, and what we can do peacefully to quiet them. You’re watching Countdown on MSNBC.

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Finally tonight, our number one story and the very serious, very unsettling part the Fox News Channel played in the assassination of Dr. George Tiller, a horrifying realization that a television figure can be a facilitator for domestic terrorism

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He kept insisting Fox News and Bill O'Reilly were responsible for the murder of Tiller. Tiller isn't just one example, there are others of when a right wing nut shot up a church. You asked me to give you examples, I'm giving them to you.

I am not defensive of Republicans, I don't like Republicans. But it's funny how saying you shouldn't call someone you disagree with a racist and a murderer suddenly means you are defending them.

[Turborama]

58. He called O'Lielly "a facilitator for domestic terrorism", not a murderer. There is a difference

He called Scott Brown a racist. Have a read of this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/17/826014/-Scott-Brown-and-a-hate-siteThe-making-of-a-Republican-Campaign.

Again, is that all you've got?

So far all you've done is defend Faux news, O'Lielly and Scott Brown. Are there any other Republicans you'd like to defend?

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59. My original claim was that KO will call people racists and murderers. I gave you examples of that.

Now I guess in your world saying someone is responsible for murder is not the same as calling them a murderer. Ok, point taken. He didn't call people murderers, he just called them terrorists.

Now you didn't answer my question. How is Scott Brown a racist?

[Turborama]

60. I answered it in the edit just now.

Also, here's the thing Olbermann was apparently responding to when he called Brown a racist: http://www.mediaite.com/online/scott-browns-2008-birther-rhetoric-obama-born-out-of-wedlock/

Why have you got such a hard on for Scott Brown?

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61. Lol, that's all you got about Scott Brown being a racist? That some racist ass supports him?

I guess that means if lets say the people that think Bush was responsible for 9/11 support Obama that means Obama thinks Bush was responsible for 9/11?

Do you not see how these kind of lame attacks are bad for this country? That the exact same thing that KO did there has been done by the right?

By me pointing out that in this case your criticism of Scott Brown is irrational and dishonest that does not mean I have a hard on for Scott Brown. It simply means that your criticism of him is irrational and dishonest.

[Turborama]

62. It's not my criticism of Scott Brown, but it is your continued defense of him.

You originally stated that Olbermann has called many Republicans racists and murderers. When asked, all you came back with was what he said about Brown (one incident) and O'Lielly (one more incident). I did actually ask for a list because you said "many". How about it, have you got a list?

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64. Why would I give you more when you refuse to concede on these ones?

Your logic (as well as KO's logic) that Scott Brown is racist is based on who supports Scott Brown. It's not on what Scott Brown said, not what Scott Brown did, but who supports him. Do you think that is fair?

If you agree that is not fair I'll be happy to give you a couple more examples. But if you refuse to even admit that this criticism wasn't fair I don't see why I should waste any more of my time.

[Turborama]

66. Why should I 'concede' to anything when it's you who laid the original claims of "many" incidents?

BTW You obviously don't get what the DK diary or the Mediate article were saying.

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67. You should concede because you said Brown was a racist

unless it is normal for you to go around and make statements about people without thinking them through first?

Does Jeremiah Wright represent what president Obama believes? If we use your logic then clearly he does.

[Turborama]

68. No I didn't. Are you a script writer for Faux?

Because you're very good at making shit up when the facts before everyone's eyes say something completely different. I gave you links to the evidence Keith based his statement on.

How close are you to your Republican "friends"?

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69. The evidance Keith used was that someone who supports Brown was racist

Do you think that calling someone a racist based on that is fair?

Again, do you apply the same standard to Obama and Wright?

You can keep trying to suggest I'm a republican as if that will hurt my feelings. I've been here a long time, I don't need to defend myself to you, my posts are public and you are more than welcome to search through them to see just how republican I am (sarcasm warning). All you are doing is trying to change the subject away from what you said, it's lame. And it's a shame, because from what you said below about how you can agree with both Stewart and Mahr I thought you would be a reasonable person.

[Turborama]

70. No, what you are doing is trying to avoid answering my original request for a list of the "many"

...incidents.

To save you the hassle of scrolling back up, here it is again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9497478&mesg_id=9502484

You've provided only 2 so far, been proven wrong on one of them (he did not call O'Lielly a murderer) and got one right (Olbermann did call Scott Brown a racist).

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71. If it will help you stop wasting my time here you go, Olbermann saying Fox incites murder

this was because of what Jim David Adkisson did in Tennesse:

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Fox News Channel will never restrain itself from incitement to murder and terrorism. Not until its profits begin to decline, when its growth stops.
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Now again, you think that inciting people to be murderers and terrorists is different from being a murderer. I think that's a silly distinction to make, but you got me.

Here is a quote where he called multiple people racists because they used terms such as "cocky", "arrogant", and "punk":

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“…But our winners, these guys, assessing not the speech but the president himself. Eric Erickson, “cocky”; John Stossel said he hoped the president would admit he was, quote, arrogant. Jay Nordlinger, “looks arrogant whether he is arrogant or not”; Mark Thiessen, “defensive, arrogant”; John Hood, “flippant” and “arrogant.” Glenn Beck, “like a punk.”

Here’s a little secret: gathering sadly from witnessing it my whole life even from some in my own family, when racist white guys get together and they don’t want to be caught using any of the popular epithets that are in use every day in this country about black people, there’s a chance one of them or worse still a white guy who doesn’t get it, might wander in and hear the conversation. When there’s a risk even in saying uppity or forgetting his place, the racist white guys revert to euphemisms and code words and among the code word that they think they’re getting away with are “”cocky, flippant, punk, and especially arrogant.”

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I have mountains more of quotes from Olbermann where he called people racist. In some cases he was actually right, in many he wasn't.

Now, are you going to address the fact that saying Scott Brown is racist because of what his supporters said is unfair or are you going to continue to dodge that question?

[Turborama]

72. You have been wasting a lot of time defending Brown, but that's not my fault. & Now you defend Faux?

I sort of feel sorry for you, to be honest. If only you had just got over the fact that Olbermann called Brown a racist earlier this year the conversation would have gone a lot differently.

Erik Ericson, John Stossel and Glenn Beck are racists. There, I said it too. Want to waste some time defending them as well?

Jay Nordlinger thinks "racism is dead in America", so it must be.

Bush's former speech writer Marc Thiessen? I don't know whether he's racist or not but after watching his interview with Christine Amanpour earlier this year I do know he doesn't think waterboarding is torture.

John Hood? I don't even know who he is.

"you think that inciting people to be murderers and terrorists is different from being a murderer. I think that's a silly distinction to make, but you got me."

Well, that's not just my distinction. It's the legal dictionary's.

You should get Googling for "dog-whistle politics", while you're at it.

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65. Dupe

[Name removed]

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[RainDog]

15. that was excellent! and true n/t

[Little Star]

16. Good job explaining things as they really are! Go Bill!!!!

[tomp]

17. he's absolutely right on all counts except...

...9/11 was an inside job.

(at least it has to be considered as such until proven otherwise, which would mean we have an actual investigation)

[lame54]

19. so when is Maher having Brietbart and S.E. Cupp back on...

to pontificate unchallenged

[Dappleganger]

24. exactly.

Maher is just full of himself.

[Goblinmonger]

27. Excellent example of Maher's hypocrisy. But the Breitbart episode

shows Stewart's point, too. MacFarlane and Brietbart hit it off after that show. They had tweets about spending time with each other after the show. But they are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, how can that be? Why can't we realize that all Republicans are not evil bastards? (I'm going to get flamed for this, just wait).

[blondeatlast]

30. +1. nt

[Turborama]

34. It is possible to be a supporter of both Maher and Stewart

It doesn't always have to be at the same time, though.

As I just mentioned in another thread, I like both Maher and Stewart a great deal and have a lot of admiration for the work they do, but I don't uncritically agree with everything either of them say.

[Poboy]

53. Some cannot accept criticism of their heros.

[NYMdaveNYI]

20. SLAMMED!!! nt

[seabeyond]

22. during Stewart interview he dissed pres for compromising on health care. rally cry... compromise

after rally he acknowledges and dismisses outcry from left that he did a "both of them" rhetoric equivalency. then made a couple three sneering (not funny, not jokes) about obama with wallace has he bj's the dude with his excellence at journalism.

it has all been an interesting trip watching and trying to figure out stewart last couple weeks.

[Goblinmonger]

25. He isn't talking about compromise in Congress

He is talking about the fact that I don't need to hate Republicans just because they are Republican. That we can all get a long. That we have things in common. How much do we see that same divisiveness here on DU? You gave big thumbs-up to the DLC postings of how bad it was to "piss on Obama" and I hate those posts. You and I (and others) can go back and forth about the progressive vs DLC fight in the Dem party, but wouldn't we ultimately admit that we have things in common and can get along? Why can't we realize that with our Republican neighbors? Why should we just hate them for their politics? And why do we let the media make us think that--which has been Stewart's point for a long time (just rewatch the Crossfire interview).

[lame54]

26. +1000

[Goblinmonger]

23. He makes some good points, but

"There are no moderates on the other side"? That kind of hyperbole isn't helpful and where I agree with Jon. I have many conservatives friends (give me a break, I grew up Catholic and went to a seminary) and many (most?) of them are moderate and we can get along while talking politics. We don't need to paint the entirety of the other side as foaming-at-the-mouth crazy.

ETA: King didn't say "they have a nightmare." He just focused on the dream. He talked very much about everyone getting along. Maher is trying hard to put divisive rhetoric in King's mouth but that just isn't the truth.

[Turborama]

44. There *are* no moderates on the other side! Name just one "moderate" Republican politician.

Go on. Please.

You keep talking about the Republican friends of yours who you sympathize with. Still waiting to hear which "moderate" Republicans they vote for...

[Goblinmonger]

50. HE doesn't say politicians.

HE says Republicans. The problem I have is that the rhetoric seems to be about Republicans in general and not specific people that are the problem

And I have to go no further than my congressional district. Congressmen Tom Petri.

[JonLP24]

29. Did Jon Stewart really object to the left calling Bush a war criminal

Really?

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63. Is Obama a war criminal?

[ruggerson]

33. I find I agree with a lot of what Maher says

it's kind of scary at times.

[me b zola]

35. K&R

[Rhiannon12866]

37. K&R. Wow. Incredibly well stated.

Even the poop remark. :evilfrown: Thanks for posting... :hi:

[Turborama]

39. You're most welcome, my friend. Thanks for the K&R !

BTW I've been meaning to send you that link to the photo gallery in my Facebagger account and keep forgetting, I'm off to do it now...

:hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

40. Thank you! I think that this made a lot of us feel slightly better,

After the pain of the election, and after last night with KO. We need to feel that somebody is speaking for us, so this was something we needed to hear. I know it won't change anything, but at least it's out there... :) And I'll look forward to the pix! :hi:

[butterfly77]

38. K&R!

Explain perfectly,something we will never hear from the so called "liberal media".

[AndrewP]

42. Maher stated the case very well

Good for him

[Poboy]

43. .

[JI7]

47. this is my problem with it also