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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:48 AM
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Would we be better off under a President Hillary Clinton? (WP)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110505214.html

Would we be better off under a President Hillary Clinton?
By Dana Milbank

As I sat in the East Room last week watching a forlorn President Obama account for his shellacking, I listened with concern as he described the presidency as a "growth process" and suggested that the midterm setback was somehow inevitable. "You know, this is something that I think every president needs to go through," he said. It brought to mind Hillary Clinton's 3 a.m. phone-call ad from the 2008 campaign, and her withering criticism of Obama: "When there is a crisis . . . there's no time for speeches or on-the-job training." I wondered whether Democrats would be in the fix they're in if they had chosen a different standard-bearer.

Would unemployment have been lower under a President Hillary? Would the Democrats have lost fewer seats on Tuesday? It's impossible to know. But what can be said with confidence is that Clinton's toolkit is a better match for the current set of national woes than they were for 2008, when her support for the Iraq war dominated the campaign. Back then, Clinton's populist appeal to low-income white voters, union members and workers of the Rust Belt was not enough to overcome Obama's energized youth vote. But Clinton's working-class whites were the very ones who switched to the Republicans on Tuesday.

Back in '08, Clinton's scars from HillaryCare were seen as a liability, proof that she was a product of the old ways of Washington. But now that Obama has himself succumbed to the partisanship, his talk of a "growth process" in office makes Clinton's experience in the trenches look like more of an asset. Clinton campaign advisers I spoke with say she almost certainly would have pulled the plug on comprehensive health-care reform rather than allow it to monopolize the agenda for 15 months. She would have settled for a few popular items such as children's coverage and a ban on exclusions for pre-existing conditions. That would have left millions uninsured, but it also would have left Democrats in a stronger political position and given them more strength to focus on job creation and other matters, such as immigration and energy.

The Clinton campaign advisers acknowledge that she probably would have done the auto bailout and other things that got Obama labeled as a socialist. The difference is that she would have coupled that help for big business with more popular benefits for ordinary Americans. Clinton, for example, first called for a 90-day foreclosure moratorium in December 2007, as part of a package to fight the early stages of the mortgage crisis with a five-year freeze on subprime rates and $30 billion to avoid foreclosures. But an Obama campaign adviser dismissed Clinton's moratorium, saying it would "reward people for bad behavior." Calls for a moratorium returned a few weeks ago with news of lenders' foreclosure abuses. Polls indicate public support for a moratorium, but Obama ruled it out. It's a safe bet Clinton would have done otherwise...
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:49 AM
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1. ...
:popcorn:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:50 AM
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2. No.
We would be far more entrenched in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Our economy cannot possibly improve when billions are being invested in occupying foreign lands.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:02 AM
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13. How could we be any more entrenched in Afghanistan/Pakistan?
I think she would have done the opposite and began withdrawal in her very first year.. Hillary is a people person and everything she has done in her entire life has been to help the people. She has NEVER advocated for war although she did vote for the IWR, she did not bang the drums for war. I believe she has a much more realistic idea of what Republicans stand for and how they operate. Obama appears like he is completely clueless and it is very disheartening.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:06 AM
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15. That does not reflect her opinions as sec. of state. she positioned herself opposite Biden
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 09:11 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/world/13cabinet.html

She and Gates support an afghan surge.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:19 AM
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40. Biden is very familiar with the region and I trust his judgment
in that regard.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:16 AM
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19. I'd recommend
reading books, such as Alter's and Woodward's, which document very clearly that Clinton is partners with Gates in advocating for a far, far larger and longer-term military occupation there. There is really no debate, based upon facts, of her position.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:20 AM
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41. Well, Toots. Where'd ya go?
The water's facts wash you away? Are yee flooded out, or what?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:34 AM
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47. lmaooo it looks like you are calling H2O Man toots
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:57 AM
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58. It looks like?
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 10:59 AM by BeFree
To the idjots in the US 'it looks like' the republicans have a mandate, too.

So, your point is?

Are you a

Clinton
_over__
Obama........ disciple, too?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:11 AM
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60. Relax, you took my post way too seriously
You replied under H2O Man, not Toots.

I think I've already voiced my opinion on this subject, if you will look just slightly below.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:19 AM
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39. Actually she pushed Senator Byrd off the floor to pound the drums for war.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 10:20 AM by JTFrog
She gave Bush exactly what he wanted in this speech:


http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0303-23.htm

See Hillary Run (from Her Husband's Past on Iraq)
by Scott Ritter

Senator Hillary Clinton wants to become President Hillary Clinton. "I'm in, and I'm in to win," she said, announcing her plans to run for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Let there be no doubt that Hillary Clinton is about as slippery a species of politician that exists, one who has demonstrated an ability to morph facts into a nebulous blob which blurs the record and distorts the truth. While she has demonstrated this less than flattering ability on a number of issues, nowhere is it so blatant as when dealing with the issue of the ongoing war in Iraq and Hillary Clinton's vote in favor of this war.

This issue won't be resolved even if Hillary Clinton apologizes for her Iraq vote, as other politicians have done, blaming their decision on faulty intelligence on Iraq's WMD capabilities. This is because, like many other Washington politicians at the time, including those now running for president, she had been witness to lies about Iraq's weapons programs to justify attacks on that country by her husband President Bill Clinton and his administration.

"While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq," Senator Clinton said at the time of her vote, in a carefully crafted speech designed to demonstrate her range of knowledge and ability to consider all options. "I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998."

Hillary would have done well to leave out that last part, the one where her husband, the former President of the United States, used military force as part of a 72-hour bombing campaign ostensibly deemed as a punitive strike in defense of disarmament, but in actuality proved to be a blatant attempt at regime change which used the hyped-up threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for action. Sound familiar? While many Americans today condemn the Bush administration for misleading them with false claims of unsubstantiated threats which resulted in the ongoing debacle we face today in Iraq (count Hillary among this crowd), few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Arkansas sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change which President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

...much more at link

Scott Ritter served as a former Marine Corps officer from 1984 until 1991, and as a UN weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until 1998. He is the author of several books, including "Iraq Confidential" and "Target Iran". He also co-authored "War on Iraq" with William Pitt.




And she's not sorry for her that war vote either:



"If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from," Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.


And lets not forget "Obliterate Iran!".

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:40 AM
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54. That's really setting her up on a pedestal
If she voted for the IWR, she might have kept us in Iraq, too.

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:50 PM
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71. Hahahahahahahahaha!
That's funny.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:02 AM
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14. .
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 09:03 AM by Toots

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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:51 AM
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3. LMAO The Pundits will stop at nothing to Push Buyers Remorse
Anything for controversy. Election 2012 has started.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:34 AM
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27. Nailed it. Thanks nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:17 AM
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37. You got it. nt
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:51 PM
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73. That's all it is.
Media whores sowing dissent against a Democratic president.

Another day, more propaganda.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:52 AM
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4. No matter who
the Democrats would have elected, whether it was Hillary or John Kerry or anyone else, the Repukes would have obstructed everything he or she would have wanted. They were determined to "take back America" and make a Democratic President fail.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:52 AM
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5. hillary would have been the same pres as obama. he gains hate cause black, she would cause woman
and they had the same policy and manner of dealing with issue
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:52 AM
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6. would we be better off if there really was a santa claus?
would we be better off if we prosecuted bu$h*?

would we be better off if we hadn't invaded iraq?

would we be better off........
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:56 AM
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8. here's the question to ponder...would we be better off with a
President McCain? ponder that for a moment
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:00 AM
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12. i'd rather not.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:25 AM
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44. Maybe???? The wheels on the Tea Party Express would be spinning off into the void
The pukes would be really toast riding that Fail Train into oblivion.

Not wishing for it but there is a substantial silver lining there.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:39 AM
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52. We'd really be better off had President McCain died in office!
Er, not.
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Philly219 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:10 PM
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78. I was doin fine
Until I saw that McCain post - then got really sick:puke:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:55 AM
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7. Oh no Dana... There he goes stirring up the poop again.
For the record, I don't think Clinton would have handled the bailouts any better, nor do I think Clinton would have saved the American auto industry. Also, I don't think unemployment benefits would have been extended for as long as they were under Clinton.

I think the country is, overall, better off for having Obama as President. I do think Clinton would have handled the mortgage crisis better, though.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:57 AM
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9. Hey Dana ... remove your hand from your pants. My favorite line above ...
"Would unemployment have been lower under a President Hillary? Would the Democrats have lost fewer seats on Tuesday? It's impossible to know."

See, Dana says it is "impossible to know" ... and yet ... Dana continues his masturbatory fantasy forward through each paragraph.

Clown.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:27 AM
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64. He's a poor excuse for a tool.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:58 AM
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10. Such speculations are worthless.
We have no way to know what Hillary would have done differently from President Obama if she had been elected. No way at all. Their differences are small in most areas. The essential fact is that she was not elected. She was not the candidate. We chose Barack Obama. He was elected as President. Both would have faced the same problems. Hillary would probably have made mostly the same decisions.

Hillary is Secretary of State. She is not the President. Idle speculation is worthless.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 08:59 AM
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11. so his arguments are "white people like her better" and "she would have given up on health care"
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 09:01 AM by SemiCharmedQuark
I don't believe that second one. I think the discussion on mortgage moratorium is his only good point. But then he wouldn't be able to stretch that out to a column.

But, what do you expect from asshole milbank
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:07 AM
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16. No. It would be the same, or worse
in my opinion.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:09 PM
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82. Correct. Obama is NDC, Hillary is DLC.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:12 AM
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17. Thanks WAPO: We do not need any more devisiveness.
Reality is no one really knows what they would do
until they are staring the problem in the face.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:12 AM
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18. LOL.... The question..... Let alone Dana Mil...Bank
LoL.....!!!!!!!!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:32 AM
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24. Don't you see? He's just "milling" around for controversy :)
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:17 AM
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61. He goes on the NBC morning show ... you can BANK on that
He was never asked backed by Keith or Rachel
He's a HACK
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:17 AM
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20. What if Superman had helped U.S. forces fight the Vietnam War?
Yeah...that would have been awesome.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:22 AM
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43. ifs and buts. ...... candies and nuts....
great point Miles
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:20 AM
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21. We'd find ourselves in the same middle we're in right now.
Those two aren't really all that different.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:23 AM
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22. No, for fuck's sake.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:29 AM
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23. The answer is "no".
Another centrist corporate Dem would've done basically the same thing.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:33 AM
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25. Once you note the byline, the article is not worth reading.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:34 AM
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26. What's the point of speculation?
Shouldn't WaPo use their damn press to inform, thus having an impact on r/l? We'd be just as well served reading the comics as spending any time dwelling on woulda, coulda, shoulda, what if, if only, if... Bullpuckey.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 09:41 AM
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28. Some had a really good post about this
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 09:41 AM by ProSense
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:00 AM
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29. I think the one difference is
Hillary Clinton knew and knows how to handle the republicans and she would have went to bat more. I think she would not have comprised on the Health Bill or the Wall Street. If you remember she is the one who helped make up a damn good health bill when Bill Clinton was in Office. And she would have made sure that we got more than what we did.

I think regardless of what we say about Obama he means well. But I don't think he has, and I don't think he has that brand of got get em instinct that it takes. He was not as savvy in politics as he could have been. He ran for president too soon. But he ran because he knew that this was probably going to be the only chance he would get. Because any Democrat could have run and won this time. It might have been harder if he had waited til 2016.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:07 AM
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32. This sounds good
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 10:07 AM by ProSense
I think regardless of what we say about Obama he means well. But I don't think he has, and I don't think he has that brand of got get em instinct that it takes. He was not as savvy in politics as he could have been. He ran for president too soon. But he ran because he knew that this was probably going to be the only chance he would get. Because any Democrat could have run and won this time. It might have been harder if he had waited til 2016.


Until one wakes up and realizes that despite Carville and Penn's assertion that Hillary was going to be the winner, Obama won.

He also got health care passed, and his Presidency is already historic in its achievements.

I would call that extremely savvy.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:11 AM
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33. Sure if by handle you mean handing them everything they want.
WFRA - FEPA - IWR - KYL-LIEBERMAN - PATRIOT ACT - MCA - BANKRUPTCY BILL - TELECOM SILENCE - NAFTA - NCLB -
NO to ANTI TORTURE - NO to BANNING CLUSTER BOMBS

Now that's what I call standing up those bastards! :sarcasm:

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:36 AM
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48.  "I think she would not have comprised on the Health Bill"
Hillary on the Clinton Health Care Plan failure of 1993, and what she would have done differently: "I learned some valuable lessons about the legislative process, the importance of bipartisan cooperation and the wisdom of taking small steps to get a big job done."

(Quote from this NYT story: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/nyregion/13hillary.ready.html?_r=1&ex=1278907200&en=ca200c39b840ad53&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss )
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:41 AM
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56. You know, I really hate this one most of all
Why would Lieberman and Nelson have given in to a public option, just because Hillary was in office!

this would have happened to any Dem President, from Kucinich to Biden to Hillary to Obama.

Circualar firing squad is of no help whatsoever. None.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:03 AM
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30. BS article... and I was a Hillary supporter...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:03 AM
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31. I hear she makes earthquakes.
:D
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:42 AM
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57. Don't let her go to California!
:evilgrin:
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:14 AM
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34. No
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:15 AM
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35. Unrec for foisting Milbank's shit on us.
Blech.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:17 AM
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36. Too late for journalism, too early for history. I'll pass on this question.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:18 AM
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38. There would not have been an appeal of the DADT decision.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:20 AM
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42. No. I don't get why people think those two are miles apart on policy.
His administration governed completely like Clintonian ideology. I think the only difference would have been the right wouldn't have shown as much of its racist tendencies.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:32 AM
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45. Probably she wouldn't be foolish enough to go after teachers
She would be foolish enough to make even more corporate friendly deals.

A wash.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:34 AM
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46. nope
because those "working-class" voters would have still been riled up about health care, would have still fallen for the misinformation, and would have still voted R in their House and Senate elections.

The economy would still be right about where it is now, Clinton would be getting a whole different, but roughly equal amount of insanity from the right, about the only difference is the "birthers" would not exist.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:38 AM
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49. Not one bit
1. We will never know, so it's stupid speculation
2. Hillary would have been about the same is my speculation.
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:38 AM
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50. Milbank has a record of lying about and bashing the President.
He has no credibilty.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:39 AM
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51. As one who made my primary decision (after two of my faves dropped out early) right at that very
moment, I think I can speak with a degree of certainty here--no. We would not be better off, and might be worse on the economy and especially Afghanistan.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:40 AM
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53. Hardly a lick of difference

The DC agenda has little to do with the personalities other than style and tone. As we are seeing, that applies to party too.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:41 AM
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55. No. And it's not a slam against her
It's an acknowledgment of the nature of Politics.

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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:03 AM
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59. Don't know that we'd be any better off with her as president but
I think it was a mistake for Obama not to embrace Bill Clinton as valued resource. If, as President, Obama acknowledges his need for on-the-job-training, who better to help train you than a former President who did a hell of a lot for our busted economy when he took office. That's my biggest issue with Obama, for all his talk of inclusion, it seems he wants to distance himself from people who could really help out nation.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:34 PM
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66. Yes. Clinton and Dean.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:19 AM
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62. Most definitely no.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 11:25 AM by political_Dem
This is especially the case since Mr. Clinton pals around with the Bushes despite what occured in both 41 and 43's administrations.

Talk about bipartisanship.




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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:21 AM
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63. is there a Fiction Forum here? If so I think this thread should be moved there
pure fantasy
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:27 AM
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65. No.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:37 PM
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67. She would not have done anything to different from what took place
even a puke would have taken the same measures, remember that Bush and Paulson started the bail outs...
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:39 PM
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68. Would we be better off under ETs who landed at Rosewell?
I just don't get the purpose of hypothesizing over something that didn't happen and will not happen.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:58 PM
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76. Nowadays there's a paycheck in it. Sad, but true. I'm pretty sure Mr. Mil banks
quite a bit.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:43 PM
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69. Yes. She learned at great cost what Republicans are about.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 12:45 PM by lumberjack_jeff
She'd have kneecapped them at every opportunity. She also knows what populism is about.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:47 PM
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70. Most definitely. nt
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 12:48 PM by Liquorice
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:50 PM
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72. I would have done everything different too.
Too bad Milbank and his hairplugs don't want to write about that.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:52 PM
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74. The Economy Would Suck Regardless Of Who Was Elected President
And the incumbent party is always punished at the ballot box under those conditions.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:55 PM
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75. Yeah, the GOP would have been *much* more tolerant of a President Clinton
They all think she is Satan. And if she'd been the nominee, the GOP base would have a) turned out in much larger numbers on election day, and b) would not have morphed into the "Tea Party," but would have instead stayed true to the party in order to thwart the common enemy.

Who knows if she would have even won? I'm not.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 01:00 PM
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77. Not really.
I don't see Hillary as much different.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:05 PM
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79. Hillary is not one to compromise with "the vast right-wing conspiracy"!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:07 PM
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80. Kinda like exchanging pablum for unflavored jell-o.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:07 PM
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81. HELL FUCK NO!!!!
Unrecommending for obvious flamebait!
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:11 PM
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83. No. They're two sides of the same coin.
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