Was talking to some republican friends last night

[KingOfLostSouls]

these guys are partisan republicans but not teabaggers by any stretch of the imagination. Eastern WA state is pretty red, they're more business man types.


one of the things they both agreed on: they're fucked.

it was nonstop, "god we're fucked. we have to produce shit. the leadership are going to fuck off wasting time on investigations and cause gridlock. the teabaggers we elected are going to be a national embarrassment."


I mentioned ohio where kasich first thing wants to cancel a railway project that killed jobs and going to gut services and other stuff, all they could do was groan like, "god we're so screwed."

was kinda interesting to hear these guys, even though they voted for dino rossi, flat out admit their party is fucked in the long run and that they won't be able to produce. I kept hanging bachmann around their neck all night and all they could do was groan and like, "god I wish she would shut the hell up."

they look at a strong DNC leader coming back like dean or feingold as their worst nightmare, forgot we discussed that, like this cycle we had no dem visibility in eastern WA, last cycle they were putting pressure out all over.


this gives me serious hope going into 2012. frankenstein's monster, the tea party, is going to be their undoing in the long run.

mostly because like I said, they know they have to actually produce stuff and no ones going to tolerate rank partisanship except their base. people are going to look at the GOP's freak show as a huge screw up. sorry, had this discussion over beers so kinda coming back.

just a lot discussed but it made waking up with a headache easier because deep down theres a lotta conservatives who are right wing but not teabaggers and don't care about religion or birth certificates who are shitting themselves if rand paul filibusters the debt ceiling, and even they think it'll be 10 years before unemployment gets back down and repubs promised everything and won't be able to deliver.

I also made a point of congradulating them on sarah palin being their 2012 nominee and they know its going to happen. they just kept going over and over, "we are so fucked."


on edit: oh yeah, eastern WA has a large hispanic population and anyone who's heard of the sharon angle ads were PISSED. we definitely need to be hanging that shit around their necks this coming cycle. the hispanic vote pretty much saved harry reid. a lotta hard working migrants, people with citizenship, born here, with relatives, hispanic business people, look at her as a flat out racist. we need to beat them on the social issues like abortion and make it about racism and scapegoating the hard working hispanic communities across the country.



another edit; they hate eric cantor lol. he's not very popular outside his district, raising his visibility is going to be another liability. he comes off as smarmy and whiney and just recites talking points. like a slimeball. which he is. making him the face of the GOP and mitch mcconnell, with his no chin look and attitude is going to really cut into them. we talked about that also like, their leaders have no charisma. its just kinda funny people who are like, yeah I hate these guys but vote for them.

[Cleita]

1. I hope they don't join the DLC because they no

longer relate to the Repubs. We, on the left, are having enough problems because of the Republican Lites or Blue Dogs screwing up everything our liberals try to do.

[JustAnotherGen]

2. My boyfriend

Is saying the same thing - though he's an Italian Citizen (can't vote). He's on the wait list to get his dual citizenship but is a business owner. He's very angry about this election and has stated time and again for the past few days: I can't believe other business that product THINGS really think these people are going to help them grow their business. He doesn't need a 'tax break' - he needs people put back to work so they can buy his metal works items for their homes and business - and upgrade their heating/cooling in their home (owns metal works and hvac company).

[KingOfLostSouls]

3. yeah exactly

production is great like at all time highs or some shit, its getting demand out there. getting money into people's pockets to BUY shit.

its the same old voodoo economics that won't do shit.

[Historic NY]

4. "21 months " should be the cry repeated often & loudly.

[Qutzupalotl]

5. I think they're right.

I don't see much getting done in the next congress. Whatever does get accomplished, Obama can take credit for. He is pretty good at explaining the facts, and anyone looking at the economic figures will be able to pinpoint when the positive trends started after the freefall.

Issa can investigate Obama up the wazoo now, and that will appeal to his base and the far right; but it will alienate the independents. Too much of that, and they lose the house in 2012. I think they will lose the house anyway, especially if they nominate an extreme partisan for president; independents will show up in droves to vote against Palin. If Republicans see the tide turning like that, they could opt to ramp up the investigations in a desperate attempt to dig up dirt on Obama. They would have to make the calculation that turning off moderates but firing up their base is worth it. They do have a solid echo chamber going which will help them.

If they nominate a moderate and don't investigate too much, that would keep a lot of independents. On the downside (for them), that would create a better environment for Obama to make his case. So either way, the 2012 prospects for House and White House are dim. Mostly it depends on their nominee.

[Goldstein1984]

6. Things have to get worse before they get better

I think that's the scenario you're talking about.

[brewens]

7. Once in awhile you run into reasonable conservative Republicans.

Kind of like a even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile. I can see how we could mostly have had reasonable conservatives running things and done ok. If they ever really tried.
If they were willing to prosecute corruption, discourage unproductive greed, limit unnecessary military sending and raise taxes when they had to, we could run things like your friends probably want. Those guys probably don't lay awake at night worrying about abortion or someone coming for their guns.
It's funny that one of the teabaggers worst bogeymen is guns grabbers, and I have never once talked to anyone on our side that is serious about that. I guess it's really guys like your friends that need to help get rid of the wack jobs.

[caitxrawks]

8. Hahaha...

That's what I've said. "Well, feels nice to not be in the constant blame spotlight anymore. Enjoy the next two years, duckies!"

[Tsiyu]

9. They are fucked

Listening to Mashed Potato Mouth Mitch McConnell issuing his "ultimatums" the other night just cracked me up.

He reminded me of a Plantation owner whose slaves have been captured and returned to him: "You have no choice! You're mine! You will do as we Repukes say!!!!"

What a crock of shit.

As soon as our new GOP House gets back in their seats, they will begin their endless hearings and investigations of whatever the hell fucked up crap they can dream up against Obama and Dems. Just as they did with Clinton. This is ALL THEY KNOW HOW TO DO.

They will do NOTHING for this country, because all they're interested in is holding a seat so they can help their rich buds.

They don't struggle. They can't imagine what struggle is.

And when they start their Impeachment/birther/kenyan/muslim investigations, I believe the American public is going to lose it with Repukes.


And I'm going to laugh my ass off.

[Dappleganger]

10. Cantor comes off as an elitist prick.

Nobody wants people like that telling them what to do.

[progressoid]

11. Well, that put a little smile on my face.

I hope they are right! :)