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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:40 PM
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Behind the more gays voted for the GOP numbers
Now we are hearing hyperbolic headlines about the doubling of the gay GOP vote and other such nonsense. First lets look at what the numbers actually say.

In 2006, gays made up 3% of the US House electorate and split 75 to 24 in favor of Democrats vs a 52 to 46 split amoung non gay voters. In 2008, we made up 4% of the Presidential electorate and split 70 to 27 in favor of Obama vs a 53 to 45 split amoung non gay voters. In 2008, we made up 3% of the House electorate and split 80 to 19 in favor of Democrats vs a 53 to 44 split amoung non gay voters. In 2010, we made up 3% of the House electorate and voted 68 to 31 in favor of Democrats vs a 46 to 52 split amoung non gay voters.

Now, first let's look at differential which helps explain some of the change. We were plus 23 Democratic in 06, plus 27 in 08, and plus 22 in 10. Yep, that's right, we were a grand total of one point off our differential from 06 to 10. So the entire switch away from Democrats, save one single solitary point, is explained by the swing of the electorate. So maybe the increase in GOP percentage is out of whack. Well we were -22 in 06, -25 in 08, and -21 in 10. Yet again, all but one point of this supposed massive movement was echoing the movement of the electorate.

Now another thing about these polls. We were 3% of all of the House electorates and 4% of the Presidential electorate. So supposedly there was a drop off of 1 in 4 gay voters in 08 who voted for President but not for US House. But no drop at all from 08 to 10 in House votes by gays. That is a bit hard to believe. So what happened here? Did 1 out of every 4 gay people who voted in the Presidential race skip their house race? No what more likely happened is rounding. The percentage of the electorate was rounded to the nearest whole number, meaning that the 3% of the House electorate could have been anywhere from 3.49% down to 2.51%. Given the fact gays made up 4% of the Presidential electorate in 08, I think in 08 we likely made up closer to the 3.49% of the House electorate in 08. I also think, like most other groups, we are more likely to have voted in 08 than in either 06 or 10. Thus I think there was a drop off in gay voting that got rounded way. that is what happens when we try to use exit polls to analyse the voting behavior of such a small slice of the electorate. Rounding error, which can be up to a whole point, is between a third and a fourth of the size of the group we are examining.

Thus it becomes very hard to state what, if anything, these numbers show. Did a massive percent of gays stay home, thus inflating our standard number of GOP voters into a larger percentage? That seems to be the case. Our shift nearly coincides with that of the electorate as a whole and rounding error would have masked any drop off. In any case, we surely didn't double GOP support as one lying headline said.

One final comparision. Union households are loyal Democrats so let's compare the gay vote to union households.

In 06, Union households voted 64 to 30 in favor of Dems vs 49 to 49 for non union households. They were 21% of the vote. In 08, they were 64 to 30 again vs a 50 to 47 split for non unions still 21% of the vote. In 2010 they were down to 17% of the vote they voted 60 to 38 in favor of Dems vs 43 to 55 split in non union households. Differentials +15, +14, and +17 in favor of Dems. But close to one in five union households sat out the election. Was what appeared to be a tilt toward the GOP by gay voters instead gay voters staying home? Thanks to rounding error, we won't know. It should be noted that unions went from 30 to 38 percent in GOP support, the equivalent for gays was going from 24 to 31. Unions went up 8 and gays went up 7. Since gays had a lower base of GOP voters to begin with the percent increase is bigger, but our raw numbers were pretty close to the same which is why the differentials are so close.

In short, and I know I really wasn't short here, we performed about the same as unions did and most of our supposed huge shift can be explained by the overall shift of the electorate. Hardly the news the breathless headlines suggest.

Source for data

06
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html

08
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USH00p3

10
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#val=USH00p2
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:44 PM
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1. Why would any gay person vote for a party that denies their basic rights?
Reminds me of the Stockholm Syndrome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:49 PM
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2. the fact is for a rich gay living in say California, or Massachusetts
it is easy to see valuing money over what you precieve to be other people's rights. I don't excuse it but it happens. As it is gays are one of the most loyal constituencies of the Democratic party and we really haven't gotten a ton to show for it. I think most of the supposed increase in support was gay voters staying home to be honest thus making the number of gays who do vote GOP look bigger than it was.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:59 PM
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4. no excuse
DSC said: ...it is easy to see valuing money over what you precieve to be other people's rights.

I personally can't imagine putting $$$ ahead of the right to marry someone you love; and in particular - helping to elect a party within whom many believe that sexual orientation is a "choice" that should be changed. Anyone (gay or straight) that feeds into this right-wing bigotry is nothing but a moral coward in my book.

Or a greedy bastard...

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:02 PM
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8. I am a natural Democrat
but from their perspective, they have all their rights and thus value their money over other's rights. Being gay doesn't make you immune for the same greedy impulses of straight folk. Again, I can see it happening, that doesn't mean I excuse it. And shame on you for posting such a dishonest, taken out of context quote.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:13 PM
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17. My apologies - full context:
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:14 PM by RiverStone
You said: The fact is for a rich gay living in say California, or Massachusetts it is easy to see valuing money over what you precieve to be other people's rights.

Did not mean to offer offense - usually if I reference a post immediately above I don't copy the whole thing.

And yes, being gay does not make you immune from greedy impulses. This seems more like greed - how about delusional?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:15 PM
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19. I took offense to the notion that I agreed with what they did
I don't. I do see the mindset though. I know some down here, NC, who are the same way. In my experience gays who vote GOP are either wealthy and think money is the be all end all of life, or pro life and think restricting abortion is the be all end all.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:22 PM
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21. Have you ever confronted them directly on their hypocrisy?
Curious what they said...?

We all have causes we are most passionate about. For me, it's the environment, sustainability, and saving this one planet earth from destruction at our own hands. So if I were to live in an opulent 10,000 sq ft mansion or drive a gas hogging Hummer - I'd be a major hypocrite.

I have no respect for people that talk one way, but walk the other.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:42 PM
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25. the ones I know are likely to get an object lesson now
NC state legislature has flipped parties and we are likely to see a marriage amendment at the very least. If we lose the governorship in 2012 I could see an adoption ban as well. Even they will get the message then.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:09 PM
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14. Gays, rich and poor, fought hard in Massachusetts for equal rights
and Mass. challenged DOMA.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:13 PM
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18. but I bet just a few of the rich ones, having all the rights like ENDA etc
are voting GOP for the tax cuts. I have a huge suspicion that Brown got a lot of wealthy gay votes in his Senate win.
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johnnypneumatic Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:59 PM
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5. I know, but I voted all Democratic anyway
because I would never vote for a repuke
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:01 PM
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6. Both major Parties deny gays basic rights.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:16 PM
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20. Valid point! But at least a few Dems fight for it...
Never seen a puke do the same.

But yea, both party establishments refuse to recognize same sex marriage as legit.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:01 PM
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7. Sometimes that's outweighed by their concern about derivates,
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:04 PM by Smarmie Doofus
stock options, taxes ( i.e. not paying any.), and the like.

Money makes people crazy.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:04 PM
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10. Agree 100%, but I still vote Democratic.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:45 PM
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27. Why would a woman vote for a party that wants to
control their bodies--not even giving them a right to use birth control let alone the option to choose abortion?

Why would a person of color, or any other ethnic minority, vote for a party that treats them like a pariah?

Why would an atheist vote for a party that insists everyone must be a Christian (This is a Christian Nation, y'all)?



Some people do stupid shit, and it's not exclusive to Teh Gays. Why are we constantly getting all the blame when the Rethugs win one?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 02:52 PM
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3. There is just too much over the top made up crap going around
I'll believe those silly figures when all of my gay friends confess that they lost their minds and voted to be re-closeted. :mad:
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:03 PM
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9. that's an interesting approach to the numbers
but regardless of the differential with the general pop, when you compare apples to apples, it's a change from 80-19 to 68-31.

I think that's a significant change.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:05 PM
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12. that is if we all showed up
Our share of the electorate could have dropped from 3.49 to 2.51%. That would be a nearly 1 point drop meaning that one out of about 3.5 of us would have stayed home. That would mean likely no shift at all.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:04 PM
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11. Do you think the Log Cabin Republican court victories on
DADT had any effect on this election? I haven't seen any data/polls about this, but I wonder if it was a factor that a GOP group seems to be doing more than the Dems.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:07 PM
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13. honestly I doubt it
I think the supposed increase in GOP support is actually gay folk staying home coupled with the general shift of the electorate. But it might have.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:11 PM
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15. My thought was simply that more gay Republicans voted than Democratic
I guess that would imply that gays on the Democratic side stayed home - which wouldn't surprise me - Republicans were more motivated this year and if there was one group on the Democratic side that one would expect might be slightly less motivated, I would expect that to be GLBT Democrats.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:12 PM
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16. I think a lot of posters here are denying the basic right of gay people...
to be dumbshits, just like everybody else.

Dumbshittery is above race, religion, gender, and sexual orientation. If you deny that women, or black people, or gays... whatever... can be assholes, you miss the whole concept of equality.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:32 PM
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23. Yep, dumbshittery of the highest order!
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:33 PM by RiverStone
But ya make a good point Bigmack. Equal rights an assumptions for dumbshits!

With my environmental passions, it would be like buying stock options in BP; or working to elect James Watt as Secretary of Interior. And I would do neither for $$$!

What ever floats yer boat eh?

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:46 PM
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28. Our basic rights
Our basic humanity, our basic intelligence, our basic dignity...

Welcome to DU.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:28 PM
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22. and you could look at the stats for young voters and see even more damning stats
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:28 PM by bettyellen
but it means they stayed home. maybe tea partiers and die hard repubs picked up some votes from their kids coming of age, but the biggest change from 2 years ago was that the just didn't bother, not just to vote, but to get involved in any campaigns.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:40 PM
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24. the way I see it..
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:59 PM by mitchtv
The Dems should be happy any LGBT's showed up and voted at all, especially if the Gays were treated nationwide like they are here. Get fucking real, if you don't produce for your constituencies, they have NO OBLIGATION to show up and vote for you,All we have gotten were fucking Crumbs and put offs. I voted as I have from '68 and denied only one downticket Dem my vote.Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
It ill serves democrats to alienate the majority of the Gays who stuck around and wasted their votes on do nothing allies. they don't have to vote either.
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Chatt Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:42 PM
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26. Gays are overwhelming Democratic
Whoever is pushing a contrary theory is lying.
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