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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:53 PM
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•••The Phil Griffin (who fired Keith) gratitude thread. Stop the candlelight vigil at Rock Ctr!•••


Now that MSNBC's Phil Griffin just fired Keith Olbermann, it is time to weigh in with our appreciation for Phil Griffin. I'll start here:

Dear Phil,

To begin with, Phil, while some people might buy a couple of shares of your parent company's stock so they could crash your stockholders meeting (as Naderites used to do) and demand a vote to fire you, rest assured that as far as I am concerned, you should keep your job.

Peters and Waterman wrote in their celebrated book, "In Search of Excellence," that a key factor in the success of a company is its determination to "stick to the knitting" - the business the company knows best. If a company is in the business of making wooden furniture it shouldn't suddenly divert its focus and start making plastic laminates.

In your case, Phil, you are in the business of providing an alternative to FOX.

But forget that. Try to become just like FOX.

Phil, Harry Truman once said, "If you run a Republican against a Republican, the Republican will win every time." In our context, if you run a Republican TV network against a Republican TV network, the Republican TV network will win every time. One could argue that if you try to be like FOX your network will lose its nitch, become an irrelevant wannabee and get steamrolled and driven out of business by FOX. Why should people watch FOX lite when they can watch the real thing?

But don't worry about that.

You have put immediate gratification for money for five minutes ahead of winning. After all. By firing Olbermann you might be able to butter up a right wing advertiser for five minutes before they go back to the real thing - FOX. And Machiavelli said in "The Prince," chapter 14, "When princes think more of luxury than of arms, they lose their state." But don't bother ensuring that your station is a progressive, crusading, courageous, fighting alternative to FOX that viewers so love. Forget about that. Instead, enjoy your yacht. Have some more caviar. After all, with all the fish in the sea dying, the price of caviar is bound to go up. Besides. If those pesky libruls start calling up advertisers demanding they stop advertising on MSNBC, not one of those advertisers (some of whom are publicity averse) will probably drop your station for DAYS to come. SO DON'T WORRY.

Fact is, Phil, in between your perusing the want ads and sending your resume over to FOX, you're doing a smashing job.

Now, I know that there will be calls for your firing or resignation, even from stockholders. Don't listen to them.

You need to be ruining everything that made MSNBC loved by its viewers. Keep in mind that nothing energizes the public more than hatred for those in power. For the last two years Obama has been in power, energizing the right wing. But now, with the GOP jihadist takeover of Congress, it will energize the Democratic base, offering a fertile ground for enthusiastic support for progressive television.

But don't think about that. It's really unseemly for you to be a profit maximizer. You need to sh*t on the viewers and go out of business.

Now, Phil, you do not need to worry about protests or a candlelight vigil at MSNBC studios at Rockefeller Center demanding your resignation and reinstatement of Keith. Don't worry about that. Who's going to protest against you in the largest city in the United States, a leading progressive center, with 8 million people in the largest metropolitan area of the country, the tri-state metropolitan area where 19 million people live, most of them liberals, all living a stone's throw from Rockefeller Center, a city with the most extensive subway system in the world with 468 subway stations with 842 miles of track and over 1.579 billion rides annually and a vast bus system so even the poorest person who doesn't have a car can get anywhere, even from Staten Island which connects to the subway system via the Staten Island Ferry which is now FREE OF CHARGE. Just walk right on the Ferry. A subway ride itself costs only $2.25 to and from ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, the largest city in America, but a guy like you doesn't need to worry about that in your LIMO, Phil. Rockefeller Center actually has its very own subway station, "47-50 Sts/Rockefeller Ctr" which can be seen on every NY subway map, a map available for free in every station, a map that is also online and thus available to millions of visitors from out of town, and the Rockefeller Center station is accessible to any subway rider from anywhere in the city by transferring underground for FREE to the B, D, F or V lines all of which stop there, and also Rockefeller Center is walking distance from the huge central subway hubs of the subway stations of Times Square and Grand Central Station in midtown.

In fact, DON'T WORRY, Phil, because there are only 19 million people in the greater New York City Tri-State Metropolitan Area, most of whom work in the city and are entirely familiar with how to get to Rockefeller Center, smack dab in the middle of the city, 19 million mostly progressive people, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF WHOM CAN GET TO YOU, Phil, for peanuts, in fact, without even missing a day of work by coming to a nightly candlelight vigil on their way home on the subway, thanks to the best transportation network/infrastructure in the Western Hemisphere. Those lousy socialist New York librul urban planners. . . .

Who cares, Phil?! Keep driving MSNBC into the ground.

Again, remember, Phil. If you run a Republican network against a Republican network, the Republican network will win every time. So continue me-tooing FOX. That's really gonna work.

Gratefully,

Rupert Murdoch





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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 10:59 PM
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1. He fired him?
I thought he was suspended.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:00 PM
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2. Me too.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:00 PM
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3. Ditto.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:06 PM
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4. Leave it to Rupert...
to get it wrong!

:)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:08 PM
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5. He was suspended without pay
which is nastier than firing him since he's still tied up with his contract and can't seek work in his field until that contract expires--or somebody buys it out, about as likely as the Pope on a pogo stick.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:08 PM
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6. Keith has not been fired. nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:10 PM
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7. When did he fire him?
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:22 PM
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8. Oh come on folks. Griffin all but fired Keith and if there is no public outrage, and so far not much

it can easily become permanent. It's a trial balloon to see what they can get away with for the CORPORATION. They were looking for a way to put the first nail in the first coffin and if they get away with it, Rachel Maddow will be next and then Lawrence O'Donnell and so on. If you don't see the handwriting on the wall you need to have your eyes checked. This is to see what they can get away with.

If Phil Griffin puts his wet finger in the wind any more it is going to rot and fall off. It took him all of one day to see the election results and come up with an excuse to screw Keith Olbermann and make all the progressives on the station start sleeping with a night light. If viewers don't rise up, and so far it looks like they will not, then what was tentative will become permanent. IT'S A TRIAL BALLOON TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH. Keith was "suspended indefinitely without pay." That's a polite way of saying, "You're fired. If I can get away with it and nobody gets on my case, you're not coming back." Griffin left himself a little wiggle room by saying "indefinitely" but it is known he doesn't like Keith and Griffin must answer to his CORPORATE OVERLORDS who in any case gave megabucks precisely to the GOP opponents of the candidates Keith sent his measly few bucks to.

This is all about THE CORPORATIONS, as in "SUCKING UP TO."

If nothing is done by us, and so far we aren't doing much, Keith could be eased out, maybe soon.



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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:38 PM
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11. So, he wasn't fired.
Did Boxer lose yet?
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:44 PM
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12. Have you ever in your life worked in an office where a firing was done with "etiquette"?


Very often they dangle just the slenderest of hope that the fired person might still come back, provided he returns the office supplies and so on.


Griffin didn't even say Keith was suspended for a specified period like 2 weeks. He said "INDEFINITELY."




Suppose somebody grabbed someone and covered his mouth so he couldn't breathe. And suppose he said, "Don't worry. I'm only doing this INDEFINITELY."


HOW'S THAT GRAB YOU?



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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:58 PM
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13. See this ---
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:59 PM
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14. So, getting suspended from a job is just like getting suffocated to death...is that it?
:eyes:

Dog have mercy, the hyperbole around this relatively trivial matter gets ever-puffier and more inflated every time I check into DU.

UnRec your OP on the basis of this reply alone. :thumbsdown:
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:02 AM
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16. Were you in agreement with those who took Prozac and said "We're fine!" while we lost the House?



....


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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:18 AM
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17. Non-responsive. And last gratuitous kick I give this inane OP. n/t.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:20 AM
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18. Thank you for saying so.


Perhaps you were the one who censored the rec we got here a little while ago.



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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:54 AM
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23. So, he wasn't fired.
Has Boxer lost yet?
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:06 AM
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26. This thread is f***king stupid. HE IS NOT FIRED.
Stick to the facts, or please shut up. We don't need crap like this clogging up DU, IMO.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:47 AM
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28. Have you ever known a suspension that has not led to being fired?
I haven't. The suspension is just a little sadistic ploy to make you sweat more...
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:55 AM
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31. •••I don't believe that's going to work.•••
:*
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:28 PM
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9. your Truman quote is wrong

Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 11:29 PM
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10. Davidinalameda, that is exactly what Truman meant.


It's a very famous Truman quote and it meant precisely that.


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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:40 AM
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27. you still got the quote wrong
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:16 PM
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33. Yep--and the way B& W put it, it makes no sense besides.
The "acts like" is crucial to the analogy.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:01 AM
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15. Unrec because KO was not fired
:nuke:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:35 AM
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19. This sounds like a "don't throw me in the briar patch" letter
to me...What is Murdoch's agenda with this letter? Just outwardly mocking Griffin in his attempt at making MSNBC more like fox? Why would he want to discourage Griffin since he knows that making MSNBC conservative WILL kill MSNBC, which is what he'd want..so is he trying to make Griffin figure that Murdoch is afraid of him and to keep working at turning the station into a faux fox therefore killing the station completely?
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:45 AM
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20. It sounds like a "breadandwine" letter.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:51 AM
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21. As in last supper? ... n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 01:53 AM
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22. As in indefinitely suspended supper.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 02:11 AM
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24. Why don't some of you just dispense with the etiquette, take me into an alley and beat me up?



My point, which you pretend not to see, for whatever is your agenda, is that Griffin's punitive action against Olbermann is very good for MSNBC's competitor, FOX, controlled by Rupert Murdoch.


You have a problem with logic?


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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:52 AM
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30. "I have to go now, Duane, because I, I'm due back on the planet Earth."
Uh oh, I just remembered the next scene.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 02:17 AM
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25. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:50 AM
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29. Ooo, a deleted subthread
& I missed it.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:12 PM
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32. Well. That was refreshing....



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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:21 PM
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34. See what you get for all your time and trouble?
Rec count of 0. Even though you misspoke (mistyped?) about the being fired part (which may end up being true anyway) I appreciate the post you made and encourage you to continue to voice your opinions!
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:25 PM
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35. Thanks a whole lot. Very much appreciated.



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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:53 PM
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36. Unrec for false/misleading title n/t
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:53 PM
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37. Well, at least that's better than unreccing because I made a spelling mistake.


The hostility and infighting on DU is off the charts.


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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:22 PM
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38. •••OOPS•••
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:32 PM
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39. ••• DOUBLE OOPS •••
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:37 PM
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40. You're disappointed he's not fired.
I understand.

Has Boxer lost yet?
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:42 PM
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41. ••• TRIPLE OOPS •••
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:47 PM
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42. Bread, dude, it's all right. You were wrong, again.
It happens to everybody now & then.

By the way, has Boxer lost yet?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:51 PM
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43. That's "niche", not "nitch"
You still have time to edit before you send it to Griifin.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:06 PM
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44. An entire subthread has already been deleted for howling at me for a stupid spelling mistake.


Are you going to give me a hard time about that too?


The edit window passed long ago.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:14 PM
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45. I'm sorry, didn't mean to pile on.
I actually never saw those posts.
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