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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 11:56 AM
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Arne's goal of mayoral control of schools. Too much concentrated power?
Several of the larger cities have it. It appears not to have worked as they thought. It allows for bypassing school boards and lets the mayor make unilateral decisions.

However it does make it easier to get the new schools "reforms" done. Not as many voices to deal with when the mayor has the power.

From the Washington Post:

Mayoral control means zero accountability

The New York City version of mayoral control means that parents and the public have no voice. The shell of the central board is dominated by a majority of mayoral appointees, who approve whatever the mayor wants. On the one occasion when two of his appointees threatened to vote independently, they were fired on the spot.

Every year, the State Education Department reported that scores were going up across the state and in New York City. In 2007, based entirely on steadily rising state scores, the Broad Foundation awarded New York City its annual prize as the nation’s most improved urban school district. Mayor Bloomberg used the state scores to win re-election in 2005 and to bypass term limits and get re-elected for a third term in 2009.

When the mayoral control law expired a year ago, the mayor referred to the state scores as evidence that his reforms were working and the progress should not be interrupted.

The narrative ended on a sour note last week. The State Education Department accepted that the state tests had gotten so easy in recent years that the standards had become meaningless.


Arne Duncan worked hard to get this control for Mayor Bloomberg

Funny thing, though. Even though the standards had become meaningless, Duncan sides with the city in wanting to have the teachers' names published just like in Los Angeles. The union is suing.

Rutgers University had something to say on the subject of mayoral control.

Mayoral Control Alone Doesn't Fix Schools, Rutgers Institute Study Finds

Governor Christie has indicated he will put Newark Mayor Cory Booker in charge of schools.

Mayoral control, advocated by politicians pushing to overhaul underperforming school systems, fails to improve student achievement, according to a two-year study.

The research, conducted by the Institute of Education Law and Policy at Rutgers University, looked at improvements in nine education systems where there were changes in how the schools were governed, led by Baltimore, Boston and New York City. The study will provide guidance to New Jersey policy makers as the state prepares to return schools in Paterson, Newark and Jersey City to local control after as many as 21 years under state operation, the authors said.

The findings, the subject of a seminar today at the university’s Newark, New Jersey campus, raise questions about New Jersey Governor Chris Christie’s plans to overhaul the schools in the state’s largest city by putting Mayor Cory Booker in charge, said Alan Sadovnik, professor of Education, Sociology and Public Administration and Affairs at Rutgers and co-author of the report in a telephone interview yesterday.

“Solving Newark’s problems will require more than mayoral control alone,” Sadovnik said. “Governance is one part of urban school improvement, which has to include effective school and administrative strategies and a variety of economic, community and health initiatives at the local level.”


Of course Newark has new problems to deal with as Mark Zuckerberg is donating 100 million to the Newark schools, and he has indicated he intends to present his ideas. This could mean undue pressure from outside Newark, and pushing from education management groups to get a foot in the door.

From what I read mayoral control appears not to be working too well in Cleveland either.

Cleveland: How The Comeback Collapsed

Meanwhile, the Cleveland Municipal School District is making improvements only at a glacial pace. According to a recent report by America’s Promise, Cleveland ranks 48th of 50 large school districts in high school graduation rates. Fewer than six in ten of Cleveland’s 9th graders will complete high school; dropout factories here include Collinwood and East Tech high schools, where only four in ten 9th graders graduate.


And more on Cleveland from the above WP article:

Before promoting mayoral control as the answer to urban education, Secretary Duncan would do well to consider Cleveland, which has had mayoral control since 1995.

Like New York City, Cleveland has participated in national testing from the inception of urban district assessment. Cleveland has made no gains in fourth grade reading or eighth grade reading or fourth grade mathematics or eighth grade mathematics.


Chicago has mayoral control under Daley. The new mayor will have those powers as well. Rahm Emanuel is one of the candidates.

Rahm Emanuel holds meetings about schools in Chicago...but not with teachers.

Emanuel is talking to all the wrong Chicago people about education. It's the same old Ownership Society crowd that dreamed up Renaissance 2010 (I know. We're not supposed to mention that word any more). Even the Civic Committee called the results, "abysmal."

They're the Pritzkers; they're Mayor Daley's patronage boys, like Juan Rangel; they're the hedge-fund charter guys like Bruce Rauner; and they're the power philanthropists who long ago ceded leadership of Chicago's foundation community over to Bill Gates. Missing from the back room was...well, you know who was missing. Who's always missing?


The reforms that Arne Duncan has been pushing...mayoral control, charter schools, firing principals and teachers, hiring outside private management companies...have not been proven to work.

But no one is stopping to think about that, and no one is stopping to listen to teachers and educators on the ground expressing their concerns. They just keep pushing ahead with them.

Pushing ahead with policies that have not been studied for effectiveness.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:01 PM
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1. I like the idea of a high profile political office where failing schools are attributed
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 12:02 PM by CreekDog
in concept at least.

though i agree with you on privatization of schools and testing doesn't equal merit issues, I think we have to vote for far more offices than we should.

i'd love the idea of a mayor is accountable for local schools, who has his/her reelection riding on their success and that policians on a lower lever having to know education policy to advance to state legislatures and congressional offices.

(i'll grant you the devil's in the details though)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:06 PM
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2. Well, it makes it easier to get the "reforms" done when one man is boss of schools.
:shrug:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:17 PM
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4. that's the rub...you want good things done fast...bad things you wanted stopped/delayed
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:26 PM
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5. You are in effect excusing doing away with school boards..
And putting one man in charge of a city's education policies.

We either stand up for public education to be governed by a local board, or it will be destroyed.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 02:23 PM
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6. does that make me a bad person? (provided i actually believed it the way you say)
:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 02:46 PM
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7. No, it means you don't understand the dangers of one man's control
of a whole school system.

Backing off. Not getting in arguments here today. Too risky.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 11:11 AM
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23. And,
you're point is?

Apparently, you are interested in a healthy system of public education. If so, you would benefit from a wee bit of research to familiarize yourself with the primary challenges to our nation's schools.

If, on the other hand, you are interested in discounting the concerns of educators and former educators, one can only interpret your posts on this thread as a condescending snarkfest. If this is your intent, you are not helping.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:11 PM
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25. It's absolutely not snark
I don't see why preserving school board authority is sacrosanct when it comes to public education.

Where I live the primary challenge public education faces is funding, funding and funding.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 02:54 PM
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28. Great.
That's a relief. Yes, CreekDog, funding is a key issue, but we should also consider:

--poverty, which affects a significant percentage of our youth, depriving them of adequate food and other essential resources, and saddling them with uncertainty, anxiety, and a host of other mentally overwhelming coping strategies.

--partisan politics and religiosity, which have motivated a growing number of public schools to solicit 'revised' textbooks, so that students are exposed to the 'appropriate' historical or religious perspective.

--standardized testing--a stultifying, ineffective 'barometer' of how much our children have learned, proven by contemporary research to have absolutely no correlation with measurable academic skills.

--the NCLB legislation (dressed up now as 'Race to the Top'), which has resulted in the dumbing down of our schools' curricula so that schools can 'mainstream' ESL and mentally challenged students (and, again, the inordinate focus on those ubiquitous standardized tests that virtually every educator derogates).

--illiteracy among 40% (or more) of our nation's adult population, meaning that a significant number of our students get no help with their homework at home, or--worse--get to hear an adult caregiver ridicule academia in general.

--exponential times, which means that life-altering events happen with machine-gun rapidity.

I could list beaucoups more, but I have to go teach college algebra...

BTW, our math professors have been lamenting the growing number of students 'qualifying' to take college algebra who have virtually no prerequisite math skills. Their concerns are motivated by the fact that the math department is looking at 'why' the college algebra instructors are 'failing' so many students. The sad reality is that most of our students are graduating from high school with little or no fundamental math skills.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 12:11 PM
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3. k&r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:43 PM
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8. A real force behind mayoral control...Bill Gates. From August 09
The real force behind mayoral control

It's none other than the world's richest man, Bill Gates. Gates secretly bankrolled the recent campaign to preserve N.Y. Mayor Bloomberg's one-man rule over the public schools.

According to a story in yesterday's N.Y. Post, Gates funneled about $4 million to the pro-mayoral-control forces during the recent debate in the state legislature. When questioned by the Post, a Gates spokesperson confirmed the donation and the approximate size.

Gates money paid for Learn-NY's extensive public-relations, media and lobbying efforts in Albany and New York City
The effort include advertisements, parent organizing and canvassing -- including a five-borough bus tour and trips to the state capital. Gates gave the money from his personal pocket -- not from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which has pumped $150 million into the city to develop small schools.


Learn NY is pro mayoral control. I notice their website has gone missing...interesting. Maybe they renamed themselves or something.

Eli Broad also contributed millions to that group.

Learn NY

Gates gave the money from his personal pocket -- not from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which has pumped $150 million into the city to develop small schools.

He made it clear that he liked having city CEOs in charge of education decision-making and accountable for results.

"You want to allow for experimentation. The cities where our foundation has put the most money is where there is a single person responsible. In New York, Chicago and Washington, DC, the mayor has the responsibility for the school system," Gates said during a CNN appearance.

Another billionaire philanthropist -- Eli Broad, a proponent of charter schools -- also gave millions to Learn-NY.


With those millions and Arne's backing, how could mayoral control lose?

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:46 PM
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9. This is the wrong direction - we need to get politicians out of schools
and let teachers do what teachers know best how to do: teach.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 07:59 PM
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11. Instead they are leaving teachers out of decisions...
..basically ridiculing them.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 05:05 PM
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10. K&R
keep telling the truth! :)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:14 PM
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12. Look, anybody that thinks this is about improving our schools is not paying attention.
If you want to improve schools you give them lots of money. Our schools have been going downhill for 40 years because of political attacks on their funding. That's the deal here.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 11:44 PM
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17. You are right. It is about a concentration of power....
that will make it easier to privatize.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 08:22 PM
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13. Making public education even more of a political football will end badly on the whole
This is plain old goofy. This just adds to the potential for starts and fits and turns mayors into superintendents.

I think this has far more potential for harm than good.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 09:43 PM
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14. I agree, but they are not listening to our side at all.
I am talking to more teachers now who are still teaching, more than I usually do. They are very upset and feel no one understands or cares.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 10:08 PM
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15. With TRUE power and adequate resources comes true accountability, always a good thing. Mayors who w...
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 10:22 PM by ProgressiveEconomist
Mayors who want re-election badly enough and who have the power and the resources to do what voters want actually will accomplish what people want--or suffer the consequences at the ballot-box. IMO this has to be tautologically true.

Maybe the problem with many of the schools in the study you cite was not too much power but rather not enough power--and/or resources--to convince voters that mayors could fix the schools if they really wanted to.

IMO, in most wealthy suburbs, school managers and classroom personnel are deathly afraid of parents' wrath, and parents hold them accountable for every little thing. In contrast, in many other schools, especially where most parents are themselves poorly educated, too often educators are held accountable by NO ONE. Parents are afraid to try to take on school staff who are more articulate and powerful than they. IMO, that's exactly when mayors like Adrien Fenty, Rich Daley, Corey Booker, and Michael Bloomberg need to step up and put themselves in the accountability spotlight by assuming more power over the schools.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 11:19 PM
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16. Just imagine teachers in a wealthy suburban school "blue slipping" as many students as
possible, putting them on the path to behavioral "special education" and ultimately certain unemployment and likely imprisonment. ALl because they were unruly and needed teachers who knew how to engage them in learning.

Wealthy parents would not stand for such educator strategies at all. Heads quickly would roll. But in many big city schools, such goings-on have been standard for decades.

IMO, schools can't be reformed entirely from the inside; too many decisionmakers have their own private agendas, such as calmer classrooms for overwhelmed teachers. IMO school reform has to be driven by powerful and resource-rich people outside schools, such as wealthy suburban parents or powerful big-city mayors.
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:47 AM
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18. Mayor control means there is no stability
Can you imagine Sarah Palin running schools. It means that are schools will become political volleyballs. It means that curriculum is up for grabs! There is a lot of money that one person will have access to use in a discretionary manner.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:51 AM
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20. +1000
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 02:47 PM
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27. OTOH, imagine the entire administration of a school system being uprooted every 4 years
Oh, wait, there's no need to imagine it. Look at the District of Columbia Public Schools.

I understand the downfalls of both elected and appointed school boards, but direct mayoral control is a catastrophe.
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:51 AM
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19. Oh progressive economist
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 12:53 AM by cjbgreen
Are you saying schools should be left to the whims of the free market and ignoring how big money can tell the people and sell people snake oil. Seriously have you closely examined the "reform" that is being marketed as effective when the evidence is contradicts the successes. Don't you think absolute power has access to the media and can withhold the truth and deceive. Free markets have been a failure, because of course they are a myth and schools are not businesses. I think you are assuming people will have access to the facts about schools when total power can withhold these facts.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:52 AM
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21. we elect our school board.
daley has`t done anything to improve the chicago school system.

progressive?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:55 AM
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22. most mayors would`t want to be in charge of the schools
it would be the kiss of death for 99% of the mayors in this country.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 11:18 AM
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24. And our mayor is an idiot
No way would this city allow him to be in charge.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 02:45 PM
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26. Madfloridian, here's a statement you and I will agree on for once
DC's experiment with mayoral control has been a dismal failure, and is a warning against other cities' trying it.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:26 PM
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29. Dictatorship sounds just lovely. Right...?
:banghead:
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:29 PM
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30. Someone should ask Mr. Duncan
why he believes that school reform in a democratic society precludes candidates of locally and also democratically elected school boards from making the decisions about their own children's educations when they pay for the lions share and still fight like hell to get their own local governments to fund their fair share of it (the mayoral offices, town council, county council or whatever), while his department chips in a pittance and wants to call the tune for every dance?
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 05:41 PM
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31. What happened to school SUPERINTENDENTS?
Hired by the mayor or city government, to work with the school board?

Why would you want a mayor to do a superintendent's job?

If I, as mayor of Superville, hire a qualified superintendent with a good track record, and he fucks up, I can blame him, fire him, and save my ass.

This is not what happened in D.C. -- Rhee wasn't qualified and didn't have a track record, only untried ideas -- and Fenty could not save his ass.

I vote for mayor based on a lot of issues, and if one were elected because he was an expert on improving schools, then you can be sure he doesn't know anything about improving traffic congestion, or implementing recycling programs, etc.

Yes, it's too much concentration of unqualified power.
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