Should Democrats start referring to Republicans as fascists?

[moondust]

Mirror their stupid name-calling in the interest of balance?

Good idea? Bad idea?

[ananda]

1. No.

We should all refer to this country as corporo-fascist.

[Ken Burch]

2. We could call the 'pugs copro-fascists....

Since they're still into the same old shit.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Where have you been? nt

[moondust]

7. I mean publicly.

Democrats in Congress, etc.

[AzNick]

4. We need to play hard ball and all use the same language

But I will not call them fascist. They are, indeed. But most folks do not see it this way yet. They stole the narrative, don't forget.

[madmax]

5. I have been for several years now..

People really hate it. :evilgrin:

[iamjoy]

6. Bad Idea

Do we really know what the word "facist" means or are we just throwing out insulst? What does it accomplish?

If you want to be insulting, call them foolish and short-sighted.

But, I think we need to move past petty insults and do better to articulate our vision and differences. If the media won't support us in this, they aren't going to support us when we start name-calling.

Nah, if we really want to fight back we need to have regular demonstrations in front of the local offices of Republican congress critters for "Health Care Now." Forget demanding jobs, the recovery has begun and that could backfire giving the Republicans credit for the Democrats' work. We need to be just as loud asking them not to undo PPACA as the tea baggers were in their opposition to health care.

[madmax]

9. Well if this link is any indication

of a granted simple list and not an indepth study, I'd say yes. The tea baggers and Republicans fit the bill.

http://www.ellensplace.net/fascism.html

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[madmax]

10. Lady - are we on the same page or what! nt

[w8liftinglady]

11. lol...scary-we mind-melded

[Recursion]

22. Britt left out nationalized industries, "progressive" legislation (in the 1920's sense of the term)

and populist rhetoric (the kind of thing we keep calling for here).

Who was closer to fascism in the US: Herbert Hoover or Father Coughlin?

[DCKit]

34. He also glossed over their love of authoritarians, even incompetent authoritarians.

The disdain of educated people, artists (all kinds), science (education, in general) is, however, their big tell.

[FormerDittoHead]

12. No, but they sure call our side fascist! THAT'S OK...

You got over 1.5 million hits on this one:

http://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&q=obama+liberal+fascist

But we could NEVER call them fascists, even though the only thing they're missing are the brown shirts and swastikas.

[madmax]

+10

[madmax]

13. dupe

[Ozymanithrax]

14. Only if Republicans refer to liberals as socialists. n/t

[w8liftinglady]

15. LOL...well,they already do in my neck of the woods

[w8liftinglady]

18. examples

http://www.elliscountypress.com/index.html?search_options=YTo2OntzOjEyOiJzZWFyY2hfbGltaXQiO2k6MTA7czoxNDoic2VhcmNoX29wdGlvbnMiO2E6NDp7czoyMToic2VhcmNoX2NyZWF0ZWRfZmlsdGVyIjtpOjE7czoxOToic2VhcmNoX3N0YXR1c19saW1pdCI7aToxO3M6MTI6InNlYXJjaF9xdWVyeSI7czo5OiJzb2NpYWxpc3QiO3M6MTQ6ImdlbmVyaWNfc2VhcmNoIjthOjA6e319czoxNDoic2VhcmNoX3NvcnRfYnkiO3M6OToib3JkZXJfbnVtIjtzOjEyOiJzZWFyY2hfb3JkZXIiO3M6MTA6ImRlc2NlbmRpbmciO3M6Njoib2Zmc2V0IjtpOjA7czoxODoic2VhcmNoX2RvX2FkdmFuY2VkIjtiOjE7fQ

http://www.elliscountypress.com/index.html?search_options=YTo2OntzOjEyOiJzZWFyY2hfbGltaXQiO2k6MTA7czoxNDoic2VhcmNoX29wdGlvbnMiO2E6NDp7czoyMToic2VhcmNoX2NyZWF0ZWRfZmlsdGVyIjtpOjE7czoxOToic2VhcmNoX3N0YXR1c19saW1pdCI7aToxO3M6MTI6InNlYXJjaF9xdWVyeSI7czo5OiJzb2NpYWxpc20iO3M6MTQ6ImdlbmVyaWNfc2VhcmNoIjthOjA6e319czoxNDoic2VhcmNoX3NvcnRfYnkiO3M6OToib3JkZXJfbnVtIjtzOjEyOiJzZWFyY2hfb3JkZXIiO3M6MTA6ImRlc2NlbmRpbmciO3M6Njoib2Zmc2V0IjtpOjA7czoxODoic2VhcmNoX2RvX2FkdmFuY2VkIjtiOjE7fQ

[moondust]

16. Haven't you heard? Obama is a socialist.

Republican leadership agrees.

[Ozymanithrax]

17. Actually, yes, I've heard that. so the Facist word is OK.

[Recursion]

19. No. Fascists rounded up tens of millions of people and methodically killed them.

While, incidentally, nationalizing industries and implementing anti-smoking campaigns.

Today's right-left split really has almost nothing to do with the political split of the early 20th century.

[MindandSoul]

24. The rounding up and killing only happened after YEARS of fascism!

Maybe you should review your WW2 history, the holocaust history and what led up to it. Too many of us are totally unaware that the holocaust was merely the conclusion of years of fascism. . .which started by the German extreme right rejecting, then attacking the German Socialist party and the Unions. . . The extrem Right convincing the Germans (too many of them at least) of their "special elitism," and of other races (and gays, and disables) of "lesser qualities and sub-human characteristics," and then (only then) did they begin the task of herding the Jews (and the gays, and the disabled) into ghetto, then camps, then crematoriums. . .

Give the extreme right 10 years of power. . .and we would not be too far from WW2 fascism!

[fishbulb703]

30. if you knew history you'd know its never written WW2, nt.

[MindandSoul]

37. Well, you must be a scholar then! But if that is all your comments. . .

It's pretty meager on content! LOL!

And, by the way. . .I do have an excellent excuse!
You see, English is my SECOND language. . .
Now. . if you can write better than I do in French, I will bow to you! LOL!

[Posteritatis]

20. On a per-person basis at most

That guy in Michigan explicitly calling for liberals to be sent to "the ovens?" Fascist.

Everyone with bracket-R-closebracket beside their name? Hell no.

[WillyT]

21. From The Horse's Mouth...

Benito Mussolini:
What is Fascism, 1932

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism - he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper - to the leadership of a new political movement called "fascism"

("fasces" on left)

Mussolini came to power after the "March on Rome" in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel.

In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism.

"Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death...."

"Given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone...."

" If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it."

Link: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.html

:shrug:

[LostInAnomie]

23. No, because no one actually listens to that shit.

1. No one knows what a fascist is.
2. The terms "fascist", "socialist", "Communist", "Nazi", etc. are thrown around so much anymore they've lost their meaning and impact.
3. The only people that throw those terms or around readily or actually believe them are already part of the choir .

[NuclearDem]

25. No.

Simply because they do it, doesn't mean we should sink to their level.

Whether it's the Repug politicians exploiting their people or the idiot Tea Partiers who scream SOCIALISM without even knowing what it is, we shouldn't follow their lead.

[xultar]

26. No. asshole does just fine. Or ignorant assholes would be more accurate.

[glitch]

27. Just because some people don't know the meaning of a term doesn't mean those that do

shouldn't use it when applicable.

[NuclearDem]

31. Sure, fair enough

But I don't believe it should become the Dem mantra or anything.

We've got the high ground in facts. Whenever possible, I think we should stick to that.

[bemildred]

28. We stopped? nt

[moondust]

29. On TV. n/t

[bemildred]

32. People on TV are all paid shills, they do what they are told to do.

Or they get fired.

[moondust]

33. Members of Congress and liberal guests on cable shows. n/t

[bemildred]

36. Them too. Everything to do with TV is about money.

Duh?

[David__77]

35. Elected Democrats no, progressive activists, yes.

There ARE fascists elements to their agenda.

[YankeeLeft7x]

38. Yes

Because they are!

[Fly by night]

39. Start? What do you think "reich-wing" means?

[mmonk]

40. I call them that but Democrats in general won't. They won't even fight.

[Unvanguard]

41. It's a terrible idea that will backfire.

The Republicans got what they are in spite of the "President Obama is a communist" nonsense, not because of it.

[old mark]

42. We should refer to them as sheepfucking brain dead bigoted Nazis.

What the hell is wrong with you, OP, that you are so fucking polite to those who hate your very existence and want to destroy your way of life?

Do you think they are misguided gentlemen?

They are fucking criminal pigs.

Yes I KNOW what "Fascists" were - and are...there are others who have attained your high degree in knowledge/erudition.

Please do as you wish, but don't hold others to your "higher standards" of foolishness.


Gosh, I hope I didn't offend anyone.


mark

[area51]

43. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck .... n/t