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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:37 PM
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Shame On You Carl Levin
I heard this story earlier in the day where Levin said as an incentive to compromise with the Cons, he was willing to leave DADT off the table. So a soldier can die for their country but can’t be true to themselves? Shame on him. Now he’s just another spinless dem who’s willing to cave.

Dems To Cave On DADT Repeal In Lame Duck

“The vast majority of the American people want the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy repealed. A majority of conservatives want it repealed. A soon-to-be-released Defense Department study finds U.S. servicemembers do not mind serving alongside gay soldiers. Admiral Mike Mullen wants DADT repealed. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates wants it repealed. So, naturally, Congressional Democrats are poised to turn tail and run from taking any kind of stand on the matter:

President Barack Obama has repeatedly said he wants to overturn the policy, which bans gays from serving openly in the armed forces. Advocates on both sides believed the issue had a chance of coming up in this month's post-election session of Congress. Now that looks unlikely.

Sens. Carl Levin of Michigan and John McCain of Arizona, the top Democrat and Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, are in talks on stripping the proposed repeal and other controversial provisions from a broader defense bill, leaving the repeal with no legislative vehicle to carry it. With a repeal attached, and amid Republican complaints over the terms of the debate, the defense bill had failed to win the 60 votes needed to overcome a procedural hurdle in the Senate in September.

Over at the American Prospect, Adam Serwer puts it pretty bluntly:

Look, if Democrats can't repeal a policy more than two thirds of the American people, including a majority of conservatives want gone then they can't expect people to vote for them.” …cont…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/08/dems-to-cave-on-dadt-repe_n_780371.html


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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:49 PM
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1. *sigh* sounds like the public option fiasco. In the beginning and mostly throughout
the health care reform debate, most Americans, even a large majority of Republicans, wanted the public option, but the Dems caved on that.

What's wrong with these people!?!?!?!?!?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:02 PM
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2. What Is The Strategy Here?
Keep disappointing dems until they all stay home and nobody votes for the dem party?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:13 PM
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6. They have no spine
They worry about their jobs and their pockets
You know one has to have priorities.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:05 PM
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3. Shameful. Nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:06 PM
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4. Terrible.
This is just wrong on so many levels. One of those levels is that of morality. It is immoral to keep DADT.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:07 PM
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5. I will join. Shame on you Carl. You are better than this.
At least I thought you were.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:17 PM
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7. Sadly nothing shocks me anymore
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:20 PM
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8. Shame, shame. Dems cave way too easily.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 08:54 PM by avaistheone1
Republicans when they hold power, and when they do not hold power still do NOT cave.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:48 PM
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9. Caving already, and on the easy stuff, this should have been done
already. Not a good sign as to what they will do on the hard stuff.

President Obama can still issue an Executive Order as CIC and end it for at least the next two years. He said he wanted Congress to do it. Well, unless it's done during the lame duck Congress, which already rejected it, Congress is only going to be MORE opposed to it.

Now he must take action. He really doesn't have any choice. It's in his hands.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 11:13 PM
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13. He Should Be Forcing The Cons To Vote Against The Appropriations Bill
Instead of caving into Senator McShame himself
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:47 AM
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14. Absolutely. And in he lame duck session Dems should
shove everything they were holding back on, onto the floor and push throught whatever they can. The president should be ready to sign all of it. Then, he should take out his veto pen, in preparation for what the Republicans are going to try to do.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:50 PM
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10. Shame. Rec'd n/t
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:00 PM
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11. Don't just say it here.. Levin's contact email here
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:33 PM
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12. I wish all the DADT victims would stand up and tell ...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:34 AM
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15. This party fights for nothing anymore. Nothing. nt
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:38 AM
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16. looks like he wants to sit at that clean, empty table with pelosi. ugh. n/t
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