"I mean, we’re gonna have to, you know, tackle some big issues like ENTITLEMENTS that

[boston bean]

you know, when you listen to the Tea Party or you listen to Republican candidates they promise we’re not gonna touch."

WTEVERLOVING FUCKINGHELL IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

http://wap.cbsnews.com/site?sid=cbsnews&pid=sections.detail&catId=TOP&index=0&storyId=7032277&type=null&searchKey=null&viewFull=yes

[msongs]

1. good news, he wants to tackle the military entitlements, over half the US budget lol nt

[Autumn]

37. Somehow, I just don't think that's

the entitlement he's talking about. Just don't see it.

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[boston bean]

5. Why do you call a DUer Glenn Beck?

Do you have any comment of substance relating to the OP?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

11. Calling Obama one of the worst things to happen to America is legit criticism?

Placing him within range of slavery and genocide? Really? Really? Think long and hard about this. It sounds like Glenn Beck's material.

[Hannah Bell]

6. too much coffee?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

13. Too many non-sequiturs?

[Karmadillo]

10. +1

nt

[Faryn Balyncd]

4. Only Nixon could go to China.

...and only a "Democrat" can gut the New Deal.



{K & R. Thanks for post.)




:kick:

[boston bean]

7. I'm hoping someone is going to get the official talking points from the admin

and post them here, as to why one shouldn't believe cuts to SS are likely.

[TheWraith]

9. Uh, because he's said he opposes cutting Social Security?

This isn't rocket science.

[boston bean]

12. Really. Link would be helpful. I would love to read it. nt

[TheWraith]

16. Here you go. Try knowing before you talk next time.

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Thursday he favored raising more revenue for Social Security to prolong the solvency of the U.S. retirement fund, rather than just cutting benefits or making people work longer.

Obama told a televised youth town hall event that he thought the best approach was to increase the amount of income subject to Social Security taxes above the current cap set around $106,000, but he did not rule anything out....

"I have said that all options are on the table. I think we've got to look at how we preserve it for the next generation," he said.

"I do think that the best way to do it would be to look at the fact that right now, you only pay Social Security taxes to about $106,000, and after that you don't pay any Social Security tax," he said. "That could be modified or changed in a way that would help extend the solvency of Social Security."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69D69U20101014?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Reuters/PoliticsNews+%28News+/+US+/+Politics+News%29

[boston bean]

18. "I have said that all options are on the table"

And how do you reconcile that with the above statement?

[TheWraith]

27. When that is said, followed immediately by "this is what I want to do..."

Then it's what we call a polite pretense. As in "I'm humoring people who want to do something else, but this is what I want."

[boston bean]

30. Your article is from mid october and he leaves the door wide open.

And still, what is it the Tea Partiers and Republicans don't think he or the DEMS aren't gonna touch?

[Dragonfli]

19. He said there everythings on the table, does that not include cuts?

[defendandprotect]

20. "but he did not rule anything out...." .... "All options are on the table."

[Dragonfli]

17. He says lots of things, often does the other, he just said he wants to tackle entitlements

What science does it take to resolve the things he says that contradict other things he says?
Not rocket science. I agree.
Theology perhaps? It seems to be the only "science" that does that sort of thing "resolving direct contradictions" that is.

[defendandprotect]

21. Exactly . . . . as Speaker Pelosi made clear: "Obama was for a lot of things ....

that he is no longer for" --

I think Pelosi quite clear got the message -- !!!

[bobbolink]

8. He's already doing it. Cut food stamps, and I have posted about the purge of disability people.

But, it just doesn't seem to matter.

[defendandprotect]

23. Thank you ... obviously this president is too often moving towards the right ....

[bobbolink]

26. And it doesn't matter to those who vote for him.

The deaths just don't matter... only the deaths in Iraqistan matter.

[defendandprotect]

29. As far as I can see, no one's death means anything anymore .....

very sad to say -- but especially those who preach about being "pro-life"

are the fastest to attack existing life -- nothing life affirming about their movement!

With the state of corporate control over our press we're also hearing less all the time

about the needy and the homeless -- and the deaths at the hands of US government --

and caused by government inaction -- I'm with Grayson on that ....

[bobbolink]

35. Indifference is just as bad if not worse than hate. And the "progressives" couldn't be any more

indifferent to the deaths.

As for Grayson, he was all about the middleclass..... I don't remember ever hearing him speak about poverty and poor people. I gave up on him, too.

If 'the left' is so much better, then why can't all the people who wrote to get Keith back on the air now write to Keith to do an in-depth airing of the real facts on homelessness?

Hmmmm?

[defendandprotect]

39. We could ... if we picked up a weekly issue like homelessness ... and everyone

acted on it here at DU .... once a week!

[bobbolink]

42. Here is an excellent beginning for a fact sheet for Keith...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9504285#9511557

You want to begin gathering people to do the right thing?

[defendandprotect]

43. This has to be individual choice ....

but I do agree that it wouldn't hurt if DU adopted an issue once a week or once

a month --

and gave DU'ers the option of acting on it --

[bobbolink]

44. I had no intention of going around with a gun and threatening people.

No comment on the excellent facts?

[defendandprotect]

46. I think we all know that --- !!!

I didn't comment on your attachment because I haven't had time to read it --

perhaps tomorrow --

[bobbolink]

51. Perhaps.

[defendandprotect]

50. Okay ... had time to see the thread ... odd I didn't see it here today ...!!!

And I made some comments on the thread --

One problem I think is that we have to understand that poverty and homelessness

have to be a problem for government -- i.e., for all of us to respond to together --

Otherwise, pretty much whatever is done is insufficient.

People may tell you otherwise, but don't think it will ever be true.

The road to keeping more people from being impoverished and homeless is the same

as helping the homeless -- JOBS, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, STRONG SAFETY NETS --

I may be wrong in this, but I seem to recall that like those on welfare -- primarily women

and children -- those impoverished are also mainly women. Many of these women worked for 50%

of the male dollar which impacted not only their weekly earnings, but their Social Security

benefits -- and their pensions. I say "pensions" but so few women really have pensions because

most of them didn't succeed in being at one job long enough to become "invested" in a pension

plan. What I'm saying is, this country OWES women.






PS: Meanwhile, women should also understand that the GOP would like to disconnect them from their

husband's earnings!!

[bobbolink]

52. If I "need to understand that we all have to work together", then why am I so alone in pushing this?

[defendandprotect]

54. That's what YOU said ... here's what I said ....

One problem I think is that we have to understand that poverty and homelessness

have to be a problem for government -- i.e., for all of us to respond to together --

Otherwise, pretty much whatever is done is insufficient.

Poverty and homelessness on the scale that we have it now can only be solved by

government action.

Aware citizens pushing for government action is part of it -- but only government

can really sufficiently respond to this now ever growing need.

And, that's why it is so urgent to keep any more citizens from falling into poverty

and/or homelessnes.

The answers are in CREATING JOBS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, STRONG

SAFETY NETS --

[TheWraith]

14. He means we have to finance Social Security.

The Republicans don't want to scare the elderly, but they also completely oppose anything like raising the cap.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

15. Don't bring logic in here.

You'll scare the perpetually outraged.

[boston bean]

22. And how would does that jibe with the statement above

regarding Tea Partiers and Republicans thinking he (DEMS) aren't gonna touch it?

edit to add the word "it"

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. It jibes perfectly -- lifting the cap is still "touching" them without cutting benefits.

[boston bean]

41. And the Republicans and Tea Partiers don't think the Dems will do that? nt

[defendandprotect]

25. This should have been done earlier ... now a race before the GOP takeover .... ????

[Faryn Balyncd]

24. Mr. President, when citizens FUND SS with 50 years of payroll & SE taxes, that's an "entitlement"...

...citizens ARE, in fact, ENTITLED TO!

Their money was LOANED to the U. S. Treasury via the purchase of bonds backed by the full faith & credit of the United States, just like the billions of dollars of bonds purchased by the Chinese and other investors (none of which, by the way, you have the gall to refer to an "entitlements" deserving of anything less than honoring in full.)

Those bonds allowed, among other things, wars of choice to be waged, not only without raising taxes, but while CUTTING the taxes of the top 2% to the lowest levels in history.

We did not elect you to spout Republican lies and spin.

So stop talking like a Fox "News" demagogue and start acting like a president!

If you don't start FIGHTING for principle, you will destroy the Democratic Party, and leave America in the hands the worst Republicans America has ever seen.







:kick:

[TheWraith]

34. Excuse me, but your statement is bullshit.

You are, as someone said upthread, "perpetually outraged" and manufacturing your own meanings to everything in order to stay outraged, even if it means completely making shit up and claiming that that's what Obama "really" said.

[Faryn Balyncd]

40. What do you call packing the "Deficit Commision" with proponents of gutting SS & Medicare?

[defendandprotect]

56. Exactly .... it's more of don't listen to what I say, watch what I do ....

[slipslidingaway]

28. Remember when Entitlement was a word used by the Repubs. n/t

[leftstreet]

31. Yep, we used to pound people here as freepers for saying that

now what to do?

[boston bean]

33. I've brought it up before and have been told, they are entitlements.

Nothing wrong with using that terminology.

Whatever. I think it's terrible framing.

[slipslidingaway]

47. That was then, guess we just need to look forward :( n/t

[defendandprotect]

32. Yes ... exactly ... the language of the propagandists ....

Social Security is paid for by both employees and their employers based on their

work over decades.

[slipslidingaway]

49. Yes, guess it is the Dems language now. n/t

[girl gone mad]

36. He's talking about robbing you, your children and grandchildren..

so that his criminal banking buddies can stay rich and provide him and his family a permanently comfortable lifestyle.

How much clearer does he need to make it?

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. It's crystal clear! Why are these politicians even allowed to touch Social Security ?

What makes them think they can? It's OUR money! :grr:

[defendandprotect]

57. Great question ... since it is intended to be a separate fund, NOT included in the general budget...

It's been tossed into the general budget to hide how little the public

gets for the tax dollars -- and to hid the HORRIFIC MIC budget!!

Little for the public --

all for corporations and the crimes and theft go on and on!!

[Faryn Balyncd]

45. (Slowing recovering from the attack of the silent "Unrec Brigade".)

[defendandprotect]

58. Here's another KICK ...

Amazing at the energy here put into trying to protect Obama from criticism

on his actions ... sometimes it's hard to tell why? How much reality has to

be ignored to still be cheerleading for Obama?

[TexasObserver]

48. He still doesn't get it.

I am worried our president is simply not capable of understanding why he lost, and that's probably because he's incapable of accepting responsibility for allowing the right to control the dialogue the past 18 months.

Unless he gets tough with the GOP, his presidency is headed to even more trouble.

[grahamhgreen]

55. When he shows you what he is - believe him.

[earth mom]

59. Obama says "entitlements" like it's a dirty word, just like the thugs do.

:thumbsdown:

Funny that we all paid OUR HARD EARNED MONEY FOR DECADES into that so called dirty word "entitlements"!

News Flash for Washington DC: THE PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THAT MONEY!!! IT'S THEIRS NOT YOURS!!! SO QUIT TRYING TO STEAL IT FROM THEM!!! :grr:

[earth mom]

60. Social Security is NOT broken. Better fight for it NOW DUers or you WILL be eating cat food one day!

:grr:

[eridani]

61. Resources to defend Social Security and Medicare--please move on this!

We have less than a month left.

National organizations

Hands Off Our Medicare! http://www.handsoffourmedicare.org/handsoff
Social Security Works http://socialsecurity-works.org /
Strengthen Social Security http://strengthensocialsecurity.org /

Washington State organizations

Social Security Works-WA http://ssworkswa.org /
Health Care for All-WA www.healthcareforallwa.org
Toll Free: 1 [phone] (I'm personally funding this toll-free number)
Don’t Cut Our Medicare- http://dontcutourmedicare.org /
United for Single Payer www.unitedforsinglepayer.org

Online connections—contact frequently!

Tell the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform that they should not cut Social Security or Medicare [e-mail] .

Democratic National Committee issues page
http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

White House contact- http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact / --202-456-1111

Speaker Nancy Pelosi
[phone]
http://www.speaker.gov/contact/comment_email

Majority Leader Harry Reid
[phone]
http://reid.senate.gov/contact /

Talk show hosts

Randi Rhodes (AM 1090 6-9pm)
[e-mail]
1-866-87-RANDI (actual live broadcast is 12-3pm Pacific time)

Thom Hartmann
c/o KPOJ Radio
4949 SW Macadam Ave
Portland, OR 97239.
[e-mail]

COMMENT LINE
Call the Thom Hartmann Comment and Rant Line at 202 536-5306 to leave a recorded message – agree, disagree, sound off – it’s all welcome. Keep it shorter than 30 seconds, and know that it may be used on the air.
Toll-free US number to call into the show: 1-866-987-THOM (8466)

The Ed Schultz Show
417 38th St SW Suite F
Fargo, ND 58103-2312
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail] —during the show

Stephanie Miller (AM 1090 6-9am)
[e-mail]
1-800-STEPH12

Rachel Maddow
[e-mail]

Norman Goldman (AM 1090 3-6pm)
1-888-321-6001
Send an e-mail to Norman during the show:
[e-mail]

The Norman Goldman Show
11054 Ventura Blvd
Box 370
Studio City, CA 91604-3546

Mike Malloy (AM 1090 9pm-12am)
[e-mail]
1-877-962-5569

Amy Goodman
1-212-431-9090
http://www.democracynow.org/get_involved/contact

Democracy Now!
207 W 25th St, Floor 11
New York, NY 10001

[earth mom]

62. This deserves an OP of it's own!

:thumbsup:

[eridani]

63. This and other material is in my journal

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/eridani/467
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/eridani/468
I've posted the resource list as an OP a couple of times, but it gets buried.