What is the cause of the "missile" in California?

[Renew Deal]

Poll question: What is the cause of the "missile" in California?

:tinfoilhat:

[Cleita]

1. Could you put up a little more information like a

link to a story so that we know what you are referring to?

[Renew Deal]

2. Here you go

It's just starting to get attention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9519176&mesg_id=9519176

[Cleita]

4. California's coast is really long so it could be anywhere

but I live near Vandenberg AFB and I have seen mystery launches that they don't announce especially when there is a cloud cover or rain to obscure what they are doing. I live up on the side of a hill so I can see for miles and I often can see their launches through holes in the clouds even when we aren't supposed to know they are doing it.

:tinfoilhat: :-)

[Iggo]

7. Yep. Been watching those missile streak across the sky.

These folks shoulda been out here in the 60's and 70's.

The trails! The trails!

[leveymg]

15. Looking out toward the Pacific, did the VAFB missiles go right (N), left (S), or straight out west?

[Cleita]

18. Not so good at directions because Vandenberg juts

out at an angle from my viewpoint, however, they do go out over the ocean. Some of them zig zag too leaving that kind of contrail behind.

[leveymg]

19. Where are you relative to VAFB? Do any of them go North (right), that you've seen?

The reason I ask is that the CBS News footage shows the rocket moving right (North) before the setting sun. The Pacific test range target is south-west in the Marshall Islands.

The zig-zag is just the contrail being caught in wind currents moving at different speeds.

[Cleita]

22. About twenty miles NE of VAFB. I didn't see this missile so

I don't know which direction it went if it was from Vandenberg. Was it? Also, when it's foggy sometimes all I see is a flash of light in that direction.

[leveymg]

26. In any of the launches you've seen, does the missile appear to move North (to the right)?

Are you near Santa Maria, or east off Rt 166?

I'm going to assume that they don't ever shoot these things directly north, as that would be over populated areas along the coast.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. Been watching them for years from LA, always go south from Vandenburg.

In fact, saw the satellite last Friday, first one I've seen with no contrail, just a steady streak of red fire, then a star-size light, going south.

http://www.lbreport.com/news/nov10/vanlaun4.htm

[Cleita]

45. To move north they would have to move towards my

town, so I guess the answer is no. From my vantage point they just seem to shoot west over the ocean.

[leveymg]

46. Thanks. That's what I thought.

The footage we are seeing, identifed as shot by a CBS News chopper may have been shot from the southern coast between Santa Barbara and Point Luboc. From that vantage point, a westward trajectory would move left to right.

That's no aircraft contrail. Not a conventional one.

[LiberalArkie]

3. I am betting on Isreal or another country saying "See what we can do"

[KansDem]

5. Other: Balloon-boy's family goes high-tech...nt

[HereSince1628]

6. Is there achance that they wanted a fully fueled surveillance satellite

to back up Obama's trip?

[Junkdrawer]

8. Stinger. Failed (synthetic????) terror attack. n/t

[northoftheborder]

9. Error? Only in that it wasn't supposed to be seen by anybody.

These rocket launches are routinely sent off secretly.

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. While they may be launched unannounced, I doubt it's possible to launch a missile or rocket

from either Vandenburg or Point Mugu without its being seen.

[gateley]

30. How do they keep a missile launch secret? Or, do they just

count on the people like the DUer who lives near Vandenberg to not over-react since they're used to seeing test launches?

[Adsos Letter]

10. It's a MIRV headed toward various Fox locations...

California Dem's have finally had enough of Limbaugh and the other hate spewing talking heads.

[Octafish]

11. Donno what it is. It IS interesting though... USA... Canada... Norway...

This Thing Spirals, too -- like the Norwegian UFO.



Don't know what those things were, either. Would like to know. And isn't that my duty, let alone privilege, as a citizen?

[leveymg]

14. While you're at it, there was the "UFO" over China this summer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnszlJC8iGs

Although, I think that was one of these (or some such similar program) on a little test drive:

[Octafish]

16. I want one.

Fresh Report of UFO Over China Marks 8th Time Since June



It's gotta be a serious flap if it's shutting down airports in China.

[leveymg]

17. There have been a lot of sightings of triangular shaped "UFOs" for 2 decades.

The most convincing is the one in the 1989-90 Belgian flap, which included the famous incident when ground radar and NATO F-16s locked onto the object, the jets repeatedly attempting an intercept, but couldn't close.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-5-Qh7HFGg&feature=related

TR-3B?




It's interesting to me that the shape of UFOs seems to have changed. Nobody sees the pie plates, anymore. Maybe, there's just less pie in the sky.

[gateley]

31. There have been so many reports of the triangles (and a friend

of mine saw one, it was kind of scary even listening to the details), that I've come to the conclusion they're military (ours).

But that always makes me wonder -- if we have these super secret things, why don't we USE them? What are we making/testing them FOR? :shrug:

[leveymg]

36. They must be astronomically expensive (pun intended), so there are only a few.

That may be why the CIA/USAF still keeps them (sorta) under wraps, when they're not being demonstrated to NATO (Belgium, 1990) or the Russians and Chinese (this summer).

While they may be invulnerable missile launch platforms, the main purpose would seem to be highly-mobile surveillance platforms. Like updated SR-71 Blackbirds. Only these are ramjet-powered, and have boundary layer control, and can do Mach 6 or 7. They also seem to move in the lower atmosphere like lighter-than-air vehicles. Some sort of hybrid. Other names applied, Aurora and TR-3B. Or else, this is just a big mind-game, and someone's been pocketing those missing billions that no one at the Pentagon can account for.

[Octafish]

47. Fascinating rides.

Remember the Hudson Valley sightings Dr. Hynek wrote about?...a "flying city" was how one eyewitness put it.

My dad owned a TR-4A. Loved the marque, so for the daily commute my genie will deliver...



Of course, genie, when the weather permits...

[Renew Deal]

21. So it was a show of force against the aliens?

:hide:

[leveymg]

27. That's a different black program.

On the Si-Fi channel.

[Octafish]

48. ''Aliens'' may not be adequate to explain the phenomenon.

Jacques Vallee says the phenomenon has stranger reports than simple visitation from another planet. For instance, some people have seen things appear out of thin air; others have "heard" voices in their heads that told them where and when to look for something in the sky; others have met "beings" that asked odd questions, like "What do you have to eat?" Vallee suggested the phenomenon is something real, evidently intelligent, possibly transdimensional in nature; and has apparently a long history of interaction with humanity. We need more facts to get more specific.



Note the ground effects directly underneath the object: dust seems to be standing up, along lines.

It is a fascinating subject. Here's a PDF file of detailed analysis of Rex Heflin's photos: Reanalysis of the 1965 Heflin UFO Photos.

[leveymg]

13. Japanese sub from the future. They didn't get the message that the war is over in this dimension.

[Patsy Stone]

20. SPECTRE!

:)

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. Stark Industries product demo. nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

24. Other: Cylons nt

[Codeine]

37. Frakkin' toasters.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

40. And technically they don't count as "aliens". nt

[slackmaster]

25. Weather balloon

[Renew Deal]

28. I love that graphic

:rofl:

[glinda]

34. Hahahahahaaaaaaa!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[gateley]

32. Ha! That's funny! nt

[Cetacea]

29. Swamp gas; Venus; video is a hoax.

If not than a bad military excercise.

[rug]

33. The Republicans are testing their immigration policy.

[GSLevel9]

35. from a commercial airliner, on a North to South course. nt

[PBS Poll-435]

39. Bankers

:grr:

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Ye are not cleared to know!

[Duer 157099]

42. I think it was an emergency flare from that disabled cruise ship

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

44. Emergency flares aren't that large

But maybe it's the cause of the cruise ship problem. :tinfoilhat:

[jillan]

43. Republicans needed something new to blame Obama for.