Who fired a missile off the California Coast???

[catnhatnh]

Because nearly 24 hours later the public is being told "We don't know."

Got that-with all the intrusive surveillance and billions spent on military hardware SOMEONE fired off a MAJOR rocket just off Catalina Island and it hasn't been tracked, or found, or identified. The same morons who prevent containers over 3 ounces of shampoo of airliners can't identify a rocket launch less than 50 miles off our coast.

Which could have been a mere multi-million dollar snafu by our own military, or a rogue element within it. Worse it could be an unanticipated foreign launch.

But a rocket WAS launched and it was no toy. If an accident by our military then the lack of disclosure is criminal If by a rogue element the scene is way scary. If by a foreign power our intelligence failure is massive. And if by a private group the intelligence failure is worse.


For the last 30 years I believed that NORAD had the ability to track a missile fired anywhere on earth and that having received a track they could estimate both a launch site and impact area, based on the parabola of travel. So this must have been a smaller event than their ability to track.

But their IS radar in California and a shorter range flight should have been tracked.

So either a bunch of people and systems failed of we are being lied to.

Who fired a missile off the California Coast???

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. I thought that was a missle over there by that big ball of fire in the

sky... saw it on the way home... there were several jets in the area that seemed interested in it as well.

[arcane1]

2. Nobody did.

There was no missile.

[catnhatnh]

5. What?? "These are not the droids you're looking for???"

Because the news videos are showing an unknown rocket launch. How do you explain it?

[arcane1]

8. All I've seen is a contrail

I certainly have seen no "launch" of any kind, nor any actual missile.

I'm open-minded, and will adapt according to new info, but presently the most likely explanation is an airline contrail viewed head-on at sunset.

[dipsydoodle]

14. Video here

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mysterious-Missile-Fired-Off-California-And-Caught-On-Camera/Article/201011215798280?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_4&lid=ARTICLE_15798280_Mysterious_Missile_Fired_Off_California_And_Caught_On_Camera

[arcane1]

Sorry, that's not a launch video

That video is depicting this:
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-4

[Kaleva]

37. The video doesn't show a missile launch

[jberryhill]

46. Was it invisible to millions of others in LA?

Why was it only seen from one angle?

Where are all the other witnesses?

Nobody saw this on Catalina, or out on their boat?

Was there no one else, among millions in the region, who saw this?

[coalition_unwilling]

72. My wife and I were walking on Venice Beach at 4:45 p.m. yesterday

and we both definitely saw the plume (or contrail). Still trying to figure out what we saw. (I think you responded to me on a thread I initiated on this and I replied to your response there.)

[jberryhill]

91. Well look for the same flight today

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

6. that's right the NY Times has finally said so

so it must be true, just like Iraq's WMD's which they reported on as fact, huh?


no ATC tracks of some of the busiest airspace in the northern hemisphere?

[arcane1]

10. I haven't read anything in the NYT about it n/t

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

13. just posted about 30min ago

right on top of things, they are

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/11/09/us/politics/AP-US-Pentagon-Mystery-Missile.html?src=twt&twt=nytimes

[ShamelessHussy]

12. ahh... an airliner should be easier to identify

did they say which one it was?

[HuckleB]

32. Indeed.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

and...

http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/

[arcane1]

36. Thank you!!!

:toast:

[HuckleB]

41. You're welcome!

Cheers to you, too!

:toast:

[salvorhardin]

43. I saw a contrail just like that this Spring

I could have swore at the time that it was a rocket or missile. It was the freakiest thing, but no one else saw it in my city (I asked on Twitter) so I was resigned to the fact that it had to just be a contrail. My mind sure didn't want to accept that explanation though.

[HuckleB]

44. It would be freaky.

It reminds me of a visual I remember from a recurring, Cold War influenced nightmare I had as a kid.

[The Straight Story]

78. Hmmm according to the govt they did not have a plane on the radar records

So they were saying it was not a plane or a missle.

[HuckleB]

93. According to what government?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/11/10/california.contrails/

and...

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

[Dr.Phool]

42. The South Park Kids and the Mexican NASA.

They were sending that killer whale back home to the moon.

[liberalmuse]

3. I think the Navy has some 'splainin' to do.

I'm guessing it was them.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

ex-navy here... I agree

and I bet subs... a fire which neared the missile, launched for safety?

[HuckleB]

95. Based on what?

:rofl:

[county worker]

4. I live next door to Vandenberg AFB and see most of the missiles launched and no missile was launched...

from Vandenberg last night. I would have heard it. I watched the launch last Friday. There are supposed to be 18 more launches from Vandenberg this year.

[bobthedrummer]

7. Failure Shuts Down Squadron of Nuclear Missiles by Marc Ambinder

10-26-10 The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/power-failure-shuts-down-squadron-of-nuclear-missiles/65207

Who else here is connecting these dots?
:nuke:

[ArcticFox]

9. I missed the missile, but saw something else last night

Sitting on the couch in Redondo Beach, I saw out our south-facing window a green-blue circular object quickly approaching the earth and appearing to head down to Long Beach or further south. As it approached the horizon, it flashed of and on a couple times and disappeared. Whether it simply went behind the hill or the lights shut off I'm not sure.

The thing didn't look like any aircraft I've ever seen and it was either very close (and completely silent), or going very very fast. Several days before, my wife saw pink and blue flashes of light outside. Has anyone else seen anything funny in the skies over LA lately?

[coalition_unwilling]

73. My wife and I saw this plume yesterday (Monday) at about 4:45 p.m.

while we were walking on Venice Beach. I thought it was a missile test and did not make much of it until I stumbled on a story about it on the local CBS affiliate's site.

I definitely thought it was a missile plume or contrail. My wife was less sure but thought the angle (70-75% off the Pacific) was very srange.

[kestrel91316]

11. Oh, please. Vandenberg launched another satellite. Undoubtedly a classified

military one. So OF COURSE the government is mum.

Jesus, people are dumb. We are being "lied to" because the purpose and existence of the satellite is classified. Hell, it's probably a black project.

Nobody is taking potshots at us. We are doing the shooting. Into orbit.

[jberryhill]

31. You can't hide a satellite /nt

[catnhatnh]

34. Really, I'm dumb???

Because if I'm doing something clandestine, instead of an unannounced launch seen by millions causing national news stories and consternation I would announce the launch with a cover story since the russians and chinese have the ability to follow a launch to orbit. So that an announced launch would actually draw less interest than an unannounced one....

[AsahinaKimi]

15. It was thought to come from a Submarine

If it wasn't one of ours... um. :hi: HELLO China!!

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

18. or France, or Britain or Brasil

or India or Canada or Russia any of whom could have had an accident there

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. This close? Can you say act of war?

The non chalant attitude it tells me it is another deeo classified weapons test.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. This close? Can you say act of war?

The non chalant attitude it tells me it is another deep classified weapons test.

[Canuckistanian]

16. "an unanticipated foreign launch" indeed

Do you think that this would have gone unremarked by the military? They KNOW the details. They know the who, what when and where of this incident.

They're just not SAYING for obvious reasons - they're embarrassed by an OBVIOUS fuck-up.

Just hang tight. This can't stay a state secret for long. They're just deciding WHO should get the blame and what the punishment should be for the commander in charge.

[EmilyKent]

17. Video has been out all day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2qKMchcgzk

[EmilyKent]

19. Deleted hiccup.

[PATRICK]

20. The event itself is reported in a box

Supposedly a news helicopter full of the usual media genuises was up there. Other planes as well. No one went to the probable ground source some tens of miles away or see the destination or burnout? No one in the LA area had a camera capable of better closeups rather than the sexy sunset trail on display.

Then, just like the interpreters of the symbolism in 2001 Space Odyssey we have all the aeronautic experts jawing about the boxed video. Finally someone goes for the optical illusion explanation which was neat except it defies the lack of confirmation that would have been readily available.

Where are all the other witness films? Are they all in line at the media networks trying to sell them? Youtube only shows the network awe and wonder trivia?

There seems to be little real news in this country at all but I expected more of LA than this.

The UFO's over NYC were even more cute, but at least the fun solution(school project balloons) was forthcoming(by the school, not any event investigation) for the amusement of one and all.

[arcane1]

30. Lack of other witness films:

Is because from any other angle, it looks like what it was: a plain old contrail.

[xor]

84. or the other videos were confiscated

hehehe

[jberryhill]

45. It is interesting that NOBODY else reports seeing it

Which does suggest that the observation was viewer dependent.

[coalition_unwilling]

74. My wife and I were walking on Venice Beach yesterday at 4:45 p.m. and we both saw it.

I thought immediately that it was the U.S. Navy testing some SAM and only started paying attention when I stumbled on a story about it on our local CBS2 affiliate's website.

So, no, neither my wife nor I took photos of the contrail. But we both saw it. It was not a plane or I will eat my hat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Because the source is THE DAMN WEAPONS RANGE!

People need to translate military speak.

[Cleita]

21. Local news just said it was a jet with a larger

than usual contrail because of climate conditions. :shrug: Anyway it looks like this is how they are going to spin it.

[zappaman]

23. contrail?

I've noticed I've been sneezing alot today...
EDITED for GD

[Cleita]

28. Hmm. Whatever.

We aren't allowed to talk about chemtrails in GD, I found out the hard way a few months ago.

[ShamelessHussy]

26. did they identify the airliner?

:shrug:

[Cleita]

33. No. They treated it as probable.

That's all they said and they moved on. No doubt, it's BS.

[jberryhill]

35. There are hundreds of planes in the air around LA at any given time /nt

[ShamelessHussy]

49. right, and airliners all file flight plans

[jberryhill]

56. Meaning what?

It's someone's job to ID this plane?

There is no indication of its location in the video and no way to determine range.

Nobody seems to have seen this from any other angle, so how do you propose to sort through these flight plans?

[ShamelessHussy]

77. That it could be ID

Time, date, relative location, and radar.

[jberryhill]

85. US Airways 808, en route from Hawaii to Phoenix /nt

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

It's there every day.

That blog has a picture of it from yesterday, too.

[ShamelessHussy]

98. oh really, that trajectory looks pretty steep for an aircraft

funny how the military says it can't identify the aircraft though.

all the BS going on today, I doubt it was an aircraft... there should be many examples of that kinda trajectory with a passenger jet if that were the case.

face it, we have lived with jet travel for decades, and this is definitely not normal or NO ONE would be talking about it.

try again

[HuckleB]

99. These pieces and the links provided in them explain it quite thoroughly.

Not a Missile Over California, It's Simply....
http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/41418/not_a_missile_over_california_1.asp

Mystery Missile Wasn't a Missile at All
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

It was US Airways flight 808
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

It was an aircraft. It's not a big deal. The media is working its hype. Don't buy it.

[ShamelessHussy]

100. if that were true, we should see that kinda trajectory all the time

but we don't

[HuckleB]

101. How do you know that we don't?

And why does it have be seen all the time?

I recommend that you actually dig into the contrails site. It's quite interesting and educational.

PS: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=sunset+contrail

[ShamelessHussy]

102. because we have lived in the jet age for decades

and if it was common, it would have been debunked not only by the military as such on day one, but by many folks who would have witnessed such a trajectory of an airliner.

the trajectory is the thing that doesn't add up for me, i have flown many times, and have NEVER experienced that angular degree.

[HuckleB]

103. It adds up just fine.

Note the link to flickr, with more 6,000 pictures of a similar contrail.

Sorry, but the conspiracy theory is dead. I know the desire is to get excited, but sometimes there is nothing to get excited about.

[ShamelessHussy]

110. I am not convinced

Though i understand many are easily swayed.

Good day sir.

[jberryhill]

104. "that kind of trajectory"? WTF?

Uh, assuming you agree that the earth is round, could you explain what path is followed, as viewed from your perspective, when a plane approaches your position at high altitude from over the horizon?

"that kind of trajectory" is entirely dependent on you being in a straight line beneath the path.

[alcibiades_mystery]

63. "The most likely flight is US Aiways flight 808 from Hawaii to Phoenix."

See exquisitely wonderful debunking of missile hypothesis by a guy who actually knows what he's talking about, here:

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. YEP, on schedule

it will be dead by tomorrow... or rather later tonight.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Care to check who is in the region?

SKUNK WORKS.

This is your average classified military test, and very technically it is not the Navy's toy. or the AF...

That is my suspicion, since it seems to come from... the Weapons Range.

In the 1990s they broke windows, no not shitting anybody. The story was "hot" for 24 hours and then it died.

[jberryhill]

47. And millions of people

How many people saw this thing?

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. And... this happens

often in So Cal...

It is part of living here.

Between Vandenberg AF Base, and the Range it is entertaining.

Hell when the Marines play with the arty at Pendleton we KNOW... nothing like a clear day... and thunder.

[jberryhill]

54. So, how many people saw this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Millions, add the tv viewership

LA has a large population you know.

And your point?

[jberryhill]

58. Lol, I didn't mean how many saw the video

How many people saw this?

Surely, the news must be abuzz with eyewitness reports from all over.

Otherwise, it would seem almost as if seeing it depended on being at a specific location, as if some sort of optical effect were involved.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Yep, trust me

same thing was said by the AF oh a few years back.

Something broke windows and sent alarms crazee.

It was nothing to fear, but nothing of ours.

I'll share with you what that one looked like.

No this is NOT my photo...



Now I take it you don't live in So Cal? So any explanation will be good enough?

Oh and that one made the nooz just because of them broken windows...

[jberryhill]

65. We have NASA Wallops Island on the east coast

And several years ago, they aborted a missile launch downrange over the Atlantic. People from VA to Philadelphia saw the contrail and explosion. Thousands of people. I saw it myself, and thought an airplane had exploded.

Something of this size and altitude is seen by a LOT of people.

Have you seen these pictures :

http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. And I am sure it was

here is the problem... they have issued their traditional, plays well in socal, non denial, denial.

They do this shit REGULARLY.

I realize that many people don't want to believe that this goes on REGULARLY... but it does.

Most of them don't even hit the news... and when they do... the non denial, denials follow the exact same formula...

"No it is not ours, we don't know what it is... but there is no threat..." The only thing they added was... to the homeland.

Why you can show me all the contrail science you want... when the fucking military issues a non denial, denial... they know what it was... and it wasn't a contrail.

Call me stupid, been here long enough to know them... and smell them. This is the way it is... it is a CLASSIC area for aerospace testing round these parts.

[jberryhill]

67. It is also the flight path for US Airways flight 808 from HON to PHX

And since that flight was in that place at that time, it sure is a good thing the missile didn't hit it.

And pretty amazing that everyone else in LA not in the same position as that helicopter weren't looking up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I am sure they planned

look you want to believe this shit don't go on... be my guest.

I know this makes people very uncomfortable... and to be honest this is 99% of UFOs... human activity.

As I said, you want to believe this does not o on... there is nothing I can do.

I know that in oh about four months there will be another incident... and like most of them... will not break the nooze.... but some people will point up to the sky at the pretty things! Or be surprised by the strange boom...

Yep, I am jaded as to this shit. On the bright side, we get to see some wonderful civilian and military (and experimental) contrails every so often. No, they are not dispersing chemicals... and most of the activity round these parts is civilian anyway. Since this story went national I guess our local one will not break for a year or so...

We try to enjoy them and laugh at them denials.

[HuckleB]

96. Absolutely.

Not a Missile Over California, It's Simply....
http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/41418/not_a_missile_over_california_1.asp

Mystery Missile Wasn't a Missile at All
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

It was US Airways flight 808
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

[HuckleB]

27. Mystery Missile Wasn't a Missile at All

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

We sure are good at letting the media get us all excited...

:shrug:

[nmbluesky]

29. UFO did it..

don't you?

[Xithras]

38. I was skeptical of the contrail claim until I saw this.

http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

The top image isn't the LA "launch", but was taken earlier this year.

Optical illusions can be a real mother...

[HuckleB]

39. Yup.

I ended up there via this: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all

[arcane1]

40. I was watching the Blue Angels doing their u-turns etc from my balcony

and even though they were 100% identified objects, there were times when I could not tell if it was 1 or 4, or which direction they were going, or how fast. Also, I grossly underestimated their size, and a couple of times thought they were going to pass between me and another building, only to pass far far on the OTHER side of the building. It was really quite cool!

I should also confess that, after years of saying "who would be stupid enough to confuse Venus for a UFO?", on one occasion I did exactly that :)

[sufrommich]

82. Good information there. Looks plausible to me. nt

[marmar]

48. Meg Whitman.....She's pissed about Tuesday.

nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Best RESPONSE ever!

and perhaps she could afford it too!

[Ter]

50. Is it possible a private militia somehow got the technology?

Seriously, a para-military group with the funds can get anything, no?

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. hhhmmm no...

unless your militia is Skunk Works!

[Ter]

60. Cobra had some high tech weapons

Guess I watched too much GI Joe in the 80's. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. and they could not hit the broad side of a barn

neither could the Joes for the record!

[Ter]

97. Cobra was a Tea Party group

:)

[cbdo2007]

55. Looks like an airplane to me. Go to images.google.com and type in "sunset contrails"

Looks like a bunch of "missiles" to most of the stupid people in the world.

[lib2DaBone]

64. The missile fired itself...no one in the govt knows anything...

.. if a tree fals in the woods.. and no one is there to see it...

Which brings me back to TWA 800..?

[Poll_Blind]

68. I heard the Trident missile was waiting in line at a Starbucks and just WENT OFF! n/t

PB

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Now that is FUNNY!!!!

[thelordofhell]

105. I saw a Trident missile drinkin' a pina colada at Trader Vic's

And it's chem trail was perfect

[Kaleva]

71. It's interesting that some really want to believe it was a missile that was launched.

Rather then be skeptical of and question the reports of an unexplained missile launch off the coast of California.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. You don't live here, do you?

Let;s see general direction of the Catalina Weapons Range+ Skunk Works is in the area.... and kept at sea. Did I mention the non denial, denial... nope not one of ours, but damn we are not worried... no threat,

Nope they don't do this often... at all... and it was a contrail.

What is amusing is that in this case some want to buy the official story and the fact that the NOOZE is pushing it hard!

There is a reason why...

Free clue, they test WEAPONS, that includes missiles, at the weapons range. And most folks, INCLUDING the Public Information Officers, are NOT cleared to know.

[xor]

86. I'm not understanding the "outrage" of it either way...

Perhaps it was the contrail of a plane, or perhaps it was a super secret military test. Neither of those seem all that controversial. We all know that planes fly over us and that our military and its friends test their newest toys.

[JVS]

75. DPRK!

[deacon]

76. It was democrats "escorting" whitman to the door. n/t

[pipi_k]

79. Migrating duck + habanero peppers = "missile"

Why do people make things so complicated?


:7

[Pacifist Patriot]

81. If people really stopped to think, they'd recognize the obvious.

It's clearly Iron Man.

[sufrommich]

83. I wouldn't call it obvious. It could just as easily be Superman

attempting to spin the Earth backward in order to save Lois Lane.

[xor]

87. Superman doesn't create as wide of a trail...

Duuuuuuh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. damn they are that far ahead in the project?

Who knew?

[proud patriot]

108. +1

[slackmaster]

88. It was an airplane, probably a military one, at high altitude, approaching the coast

:hi:

[jberryhill]

90. Actually, someone else got a picture of the same flight the next day

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

[HuckleB]

94. +1

[sufrommich]

89. Turns out it was the Pleideans protecting us from

ourselves:


http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/09/pleideans-shot-down.html

[Desertrose]

92. Perhaps a part of disclosure....?

It's everywhere......

[Octafish]

109. Don't know if it was a missile -- Do know it looked like one to the TV helicopter crew.

Here's a photo of what looks like a contrail made by a UFO.


Puerto Maldonado, Peru, 1951.

They know a lot about stuff in the sky. The TV helicopter crew reported
it came up from the sea about 35 miles out and climbed steadily, changing direction at some point.

If anyone has a link to the full video, I'd be much obliged.