Question Two

[mstinamotorcity]

Hypothetically asking http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=255x2365

[handmade34]

1. I have advocated this for years

have not worked it out mathematically but socially we the people have incredible power if we could (would) organize

[mstinamotorcity]

2. I just think it time

to open the discussion up and get real economic opinions without fear.

[jwirr]

3. K&R I want to know that answer.

[mstinamotorcity]

4. This is an

honest question and I think we must stop letting fear control us from having the discussion. This is hypothetical for now.

[handmade34]

6. I think the concern

would be from the reality that we have such a global economy and we are so intertwined with everyone and everything else... My little mind is much too distracted right now but I agree that this is a very important hypothesis to explore

[butterfly77]

5. K&R!

[Greyhound]

7. Unlikely because we are too ignorant of how these parasites work.

This is from the early 18th century...

http://www.africanamericanimages.com/aai/willie%20lynch.htm">The Willie Lynch Letter
:kick: & R

[mstinamotorcity]

8. I don't agree,I will not believe we are too ignorant.

I will believe that we have not had a collective discussion on what could or possibly would transpire with collective thought and factual data. The reason most people won't consider it is because it is not what they are used to. For so long we have been told what to think, wear,buy,credit cards to enslave us,purchase phony products.and whatever they tell us. We vote and still do Commerce with them knowing they are corrupt and act as if they are the only choice. What if we create our own choices without their God-given permission and do what is right by the people for the people with the people.

[Greyhound]

9. Did you read the linked letter? It's a little more contemporary and therefore easier to read

than The Prince, but it shows how the game works and why don't, and likely won't, ever have that collective discussion.

"...you must pitch the old Black vs. the young Black male, and the young Black male against the old Black male. You must use the dark skinned slaves vs the light skinned slaves, and the light skinned slaves vs. the dark skinned slaves. You must use the female vs. the male, and the male vs. the female. You must also have your servants and overseers distrust all Blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us. They must love, respect, and trust only us."

I've studied history my whole life and this is, and has always been, the method they use. It is at the heart of political parties, social status, managing the workplace, our economy, international dealings, etc. People must recognize how they are manipulated and be willing to make the very real and very hard sacrifices to break this conditioning, else we will simply repeat the cycle endlessly.

TPTB (parasites) have no power but what we give them, but we gladly give it to them because we are more afraid of the 'others' closer to our daily reality. Accepting injustice, even 'temporarily' in the name of pragmatism or necessity ensures the continuation of the cycle, and I see no indications of this changing at all.

[mstinamotorcity]

10. You and I are having the conversation

I think people think about it. I think they are more afraid of what they think will happen. That is why I asked for the data. In my heart and in my head with knowing the truth,I must ask this question. It must be considered. People are rising up everywhere. And it is because of the same kinds of oppression, its happening all over the World. I don't want to see this in America. I don't want to see them try to start something and then blame it on the very people who they are trying to cripple. They have used every divisive method they could to come up with all the reasons they should screw over the Average American. We have been led like sheep. No the only voice we have left is our economic power. I said it!!! I don't want this to be HYPOTHETICAL. I think we have been afraid too long. I think we have let them set the narrative for too long. I think it is time for the people to write their story. I believe we cannot expect CHANGE from Washington D.C. until we CHANGE the way we are. As long as we keep doing what we are doing, we will keep getting what we are getting. I believe if we as the democratic party are different, why do we keep doing the same things? and expect different results. No, I want to have this conversation and I want know just where our difference is going to be seen!!!!

[Greyhound]

12. In your question you ask what if we understood and used our power to improve

our lot? The answer is indeed obvious and it wouldn't take anywhere near 97% of the population, in fact 15% - 20% participation would suffice. But as I was trying to point out getting even 1 in 5 to come together to act in their interests is so unlikely as to be foolish to hope for. We have been so thoroughly conditioned, indoctrinated, propagandized or whatever you want to call it that the very thought of rejecting the status quo is never even considered.

I'm currently living with the quintessential average American couple and there is no bottom, that I've been able to ascertain, to the depths of their prideful ignorance. They not only revel in it, but any suggestion that it might not be good for them or society at large is met with violent denial. I'm not kidding, they have become violent to the point of arrest when confronted with facts that dispute their constructed fantasy.

How can reason overcome such an effective catechism?

[mstinamotorcity]

13. It starts by stating some key facts

Now that you have said that the impact of 15-20% is a notable difference then I myself will be one closer to that number. I believe there are twenty percent of Americans who believe as I do. And are doing the equations in their head. And yes I will bring it up every chance I get until my voice is heard. This will not be the movement of violence but the movement of the people. Most of what they feel is FEAR!!! FEAR of the unknown,not being dependent on what you always believed you could never do without. That FEAR has long gone away from my heart watching my brothers and sisters,die around the world and right here in America. Seeing the pain and the ultra insult of waging a war of poverty on America's citizens,I must ask the question and I must look for answers,I cannot be silent,I must not be silent!!!! To allow this corruption at our expense and with our own money is not SMART. I will not be a voice contributing to my own demise. I WILL NOT!!!!!

TOMBStone

[Greyhound]

14. Well I certainly do not want you, or anyone, to be silenced or silent.

I applaud your efforts and sincerely wish you luck. If you are successful in getting that critical mass to act in unison within a community you can effect change. You will also attract attention and that opens up a whole new set of dangers and dilemmas which you will have to deal with.

I don't know specifically what it is like in Detroit, but it seems likely that this is the right time to begin considering how devastating the economic assault has been.

[butterfly77]

11. K&R..