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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:24 AM
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Why so many homeless veterans?
(Slightly updated from February 2009)

Every war has left us with a hard core of spiritually injured veterans who subsist somehow on the margins of society. With the unprecedentedly high incidence of subtle brain injuries, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and similar conditions in our new crop of veterans, combined with our failure to evaluate and treat them during the Bush years, I believe that we may be facing a set of problems that will profoundly affect the character of our society for many years to come.

The vast majority of vets from previous wars have managed to reintegrate themselves into society, not always quickly, and usually painfully, but nevertheless in some measure successfully. What's different about the ones who didn't make it, the ones living under the bridges or sleeping on heating grates or freezing to death in an abandoned basement somewhere, dressed in tatters, hand locked around the neck of a liter of rotgut?

Well, most of those people are addicts or alcoholics or both. Some are psychotic as well. Most of them began their addictions when they were still in the military. The psychoses mostly showed up a little later.

A funny thing about addictions and addicts--people say "He's an addict" and lean back as if they have not only explained something, but have given themselves an excuse not to get emotionally involved. They treat the addiction as if it were the root cause of the problem, then they assume that the addiction arises because of some moral failing in the addict, so it's really the veteran's own fault that he's sleeping under the bridge, and that relieves us of the obligation to be concerned. What a wonderful, comforting blanket of self-justification for inaction one can weave.

The problem is, addictions don't just arise out of thin air. People start using drugs and alcohol for a reason. And, incidentally, the addictions are not primarily physiological problems. Cut off the supply to one drug, and they will simply switch to another. The meth epidemic began when people could no longer get cheap cocaine.

Addictions are not about poor moral fiber, and they are not primarily about physiological dependence. They are about something else. They are about drugging away psychospiritual pain. People use drugs for the most part because the drugs quiet the demons in their heads. People get those demons, for the most part, as the result of experiencing severe, emotionally damaging abuse, neglect, or trauma. The dry psychiatric term for these demons is Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, or PTSD for short.

There is nothing quite as effective as a war for creating psychospiritual demons. Thousands of veterans are still living with the demons they acquired in Vietnam, and we are about to be flooded with hundreds of thousands of new demon-haunted veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Most drug and alcohol treatment programs are quite ineffective. One massive study of inpatient VA programs showed that only 20 to 25 percent of the graduates were still abstinent after one year. The reason for this is that the treatment programs work on what is often termed a "medical model." They believe that they are dealing with physiological problems, that the major issue for the user is coping with physical cravings for a substance to which his body has become habituated. But the physical habituation is only part of the problem, and in most cases is the least part of the problem. Conventional treatment does not address the real issues, which are the psychological ones.

We have a new generation of techniques for coping with PTSD and related emotional problems brought on by exposure to extreme abuse and trauma. One such method is called EMDR (short for Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing). Another involves a combination of brainwave biofeedback and talk therapy. However, these methods are relatively expensive because they are conducted in series of individual treatment sessions and require extensive training on the part of the therapists.

Thus the veteran problem is by no means an easy one. Most of these individuals will require a combination of expensive psychotherapy and substance abuse treatment. Some of them, particularly those with severe mental illnesses, will require hospitalization while treatment is provided. They will need help learning new job skills. They will need housing, food, clothing, medications, training, and jobs.

We will only manage to cope with the problem of homeless veterans when we own up to its enormity and commit ourselves to providing the care and help that they need. Are we willing to do that? Are we willing to do that at a time when we find ourselves trembling and fearful as we confront a deepening global depression?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:36 AM
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1. My brother, seriously injured in Viet Nam by a land mine, became homeless
years ago due to addictions from painkillers and was lost somewhere on America's streets over the past 20 years. We did not hear from him after my Dad's death in the 80's, and a search of the Veteran's administration shows he stopped coming for treatment in the 90's.



I hope his soul is at peace. He did not deserve that fate. He gave everything for his country.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:08 PM
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4. Man o man
What a failed system we have for our Vets
May peace be with you and your family
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:15 PM
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6. My Mom died wondering where he went, and she never knew why
:cry:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:20 PM
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8. So sad
I cry, damn I cry.

no one deserves the fate of so many of our down trodden, especially our Vets.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:27 PM
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10. DainBramaged
man,I feel for you.

My dad disappeared for a few years,too.

If there ever a need to talk...PM me.

Peace.
beth
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 05:54 PM
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35. Thank you. Today was a good day to talk about it
Whenever I see military, I make sure to stop and shake their hand and thank them for their service. We as a country don't do that enough, and boy do they appreciate it.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 06:30 PM
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36. You know other than on DU
I've only been thanked for my service 2 times and the first time was about 10 years ago. Vietnam Vets weren't treated with any respect by a large part of the people and thats had a big effect of many of us. Nothing to do today to make that any different back then, its just the way it was. We were asked to go fight a war based largely on lies and asked to kill in the name of something, really never did know what the hell I was there for other than be a target of sorts, to kill or be killed. Keeping the Vietnamese from invading our country is absurd on its face, not because of the difference in peoples but because of the logistics so what were we afraid of that we, I say 'we' but I really mean they, what can they be so afraid of to send our young in their prime and let them be gunned down like human life meant nothing. Why were we there being scarred for life? Yes Vietnam Vets were/are not treated as the Veterans of other wars are or it sure seems that way from my perspective. Thats ok I'll hold my head up just as high as anyone out there. It wasn't my lie that got me there, There is no shame as it wasn't our fault. Many of us felt sorry for the Vietnamese, here we were occupying their land killing anyone who chose to take a chance and many who didn't, it really didn't matter, dead is dead. We pretty much destroyed what they had before we got there, just making life harder on people who already had a hard time of it. I mean where is there ever a reason to go to war with people like that, where is it, what is it?
Damn I hate the memories this day dredges up, sorry

I hope your bro found peace

Peace to you and all Veterans of all Wars.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-10 10:56 AM
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37. One of my 'pack' from high school is on The Wall
we used to sit around after we graduated on his front steps drink Pabst and eating liverwurst and onion sandwiches. One day he up and told us he had enlisted even though he had a high number and wasn't going.


A year later he was gone under circumstances that were never clear.



When I went to my high school reunion three years ago there were still people who did not know he had died in Nam when his name was announced as being departed.


All they have is a wall and us to remember them. America said fuck you a long time ago.


Be well


:hug:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:17 PM
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12. What a terrible tragedy.
A terrible, needless tragedy, brought about by an uncaring and brutal society.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:37 PM
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15. Happened to my uncle as well -
he was a very intelligent and funny man, but also a veteran of Viet Nam, alcoholic and at the end living under a bridge (literally) when he died in this early 40s. The only positive was that it was in a small town where I had family so at least he could be claimed and properly buried. These guys with PTSD often turn to self-medicating and the results are never good. It's so sad.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:08 PM
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18. sad story. I hope you are reunited
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:07 PM
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27. we are quite sure he no longer exists in this plane
Thanks for the kind words
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:20 PM
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20. Dain, I didn't know that.
:hug:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:15 PM
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28. I picked him up at a bus stop in 1985 to bring him to my Mom's house for Dad's funeral
He didn't say much. Stayed with my Mom for a couple of weeks after the funeral, then he disappeared again. We never heard from him after that.

We tried to track him down around 1993 and checked with the Veteran's administration to see if he had a forwarding address or had been at any hospitals for treatment. We checked again when Mom died in May of 2009. He is a ghost, and I hope he successfully fought his demons.


Thanks.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:04 PM
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26. That's a damn shame, DB
It's possible that your brother will turn up at the VA again. We do an outreach to homeless vets in my community, and we get a lot of vets into the VA system for the first time or back into the system after they've been out more than 3 years.

I hope he's doing better, and that you'll be able to find him again. :hug:
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durkermaker Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:46 AM
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2. they are the ultimate use up and spit out commodity
they sign up (or are drafted), then required by law to kill for a cause they may or may not believe in, at risk of unthinkable risk to themselves, for very low pay, then are dumped out of the machine, and avoided by corporations, who dont want to deal with the problems they might have

corporations dont exist to help - they exist to externalize.

they lobby for wars for profits or resources, and push all liabilities and consequences away from themselves

asking why soldiers are used up and spat out is like asking why a reptile smashes a bird in it's jaws

'because that's what they do'
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:19 PM
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14. The Germans have a word for it. Kanonenfutter.
Cannon fodder.

"What's your MOS?"

"11-B: Bullet-stopper."
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:04 PM
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3. it is all so tragic...the increasing number of female vets with kids...
It blows my mind how America has collectively turned its' backs on these people.
they did their thing."They were volunteers"(or not)."women don't belong in battle-why did she volunteer?"

The words I'd like to use begin with "F" and end with "U".

Thanks for keeping it in the forefront,bro.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:09 PM
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5. I've appreciated your support in these Vets Day posts.
Thanks.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:17 PM
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7. This country make too many veterans!...nt
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:20 PM
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9. My speculation...
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:22 PM by HereSince1628
There's PTSD and there is cPTSD and BOTH are happening.

PTSD can happen from witnessing one extremely traumatic experience involving a person that the witness knows. You see a Humvee of your unit cut to ribbons, you witness a helicopter explode, etc.

cPTSD happens when a person feels powerless/trapped within a terror filled experience that extends over a long time. Day after day facing fear with no end in sight. Because of the nature of insurgencies fear exists among a broad range of the force, not just persons serving in what I knew as combat MOSs.

People with cPTSD don't trust and keep emotional connections like the rest of us. That makes interpersonal and family relationships and employment difficult, the afflicted easily end up as cast-outs.

Not everyone exposed to either of these experiences ends up with PTSD or cPTSD. No one really knows why.

It's plain enough to veterans that the stupid fucking stop-loss policy was a morale breaker and it was done by OUR military to OUR service members. Adding a few weeks here or there, a month or two or three, just added more hell to play with these people's minds.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:11 PM
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11. The mental health community is coming to recognize
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 01:15 PM by Jackpine Radical
wat you call cPTSD (Complex PTSD, or DESNOS--disorders of extreme stress, not otherwise specified). Many people present with PTSD symptoms but no clearly defined, life-threatening trauma. I often describe these cases as "non-point-source PTSD." Actually, I am sure this type is much more common than the Big Bang trauma cases. Therapists talk about the "myth of the single-episode trauma victim" in recognition of the fact that people who develop PTSD symptoms due to a single event (car accident, rape, whatever) usually have much more trauma in their history, which you only discover after you clear the presenting trauma.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:19 PM
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13. Here's the reason for women veterans, who have a higher rate of homelessness than the men:
Quite simply, because they were raped by their peers, and cannot cope with all the ramifications.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:41 PM
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29. I have dealt with women with that sort of history.
Very sad.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:47 PM
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31. And there is no excuse for this in the military. NONE!
:grr:

MORE women returning vets are becoming homeless than men, and this is a big part of the reason why.

Is there ANY interest in insisting this change?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:49 PM
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16. But that would be hard.
It's so much easier to put a magnet on your SUV, hang a flag up a couple times a year, and endlessly thank them for "their service". Then we can ignore them while self-righteously proclaiming our own patriotism.
:kick: & R

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:59 PM
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17. In many cases (now), they joined up because they could not find
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 02:05 PM by SoCalDem
meaningful work with benefits for their (young, usually) families. If they survive their deployments and come home when their hitch is up, they only find a WORSE job-market......If they come home with PTSD or a physical injury, the "war-hero" thing does not last very long.

Although they would probably deny it, many employers may not want a returning warrior on their staff. Often, the "military way" does not translate well into "biddness".

WWII was the last time that returning vets had a real "Welcome Home" in regards to the job market.

The thing that was different then was this:

Rationing and re-tooling of factories left a pent-up demand for goods that had been taken away from consumers...for almost FIVE long years, and the government stepped up with MONEY for the soldiers so they could jumpstart their lives, once home.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:24 PM
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21. The WWII and Korea guys weren't as fortunate as the red white and blue bunting might indicate
These problems aren't new. They have plagued the returning vet in all our wars. The WWII returnees had their walking dead, too.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:38 PM
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23. That's true, but they at least returned to a booming economy
and could find work if they were able to work.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:47 PM
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25. Yup, that's true enough
I honestly don't know how many of them fell through the cracks. I recall talking to my Dad about it back in the 70s. I was talking about the Viet Nam vets and he reminded me of his generation and named a few guys he served with who dropped off the face of the earth. But as a percentage of returnees .... I have no idea.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:44 PM
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24. Psychiatric casualties were 25% of all medical evacuations in WWII
Ironically, it was efforts to reduce psych casualties--the point system for rotation in Korea, the one-year tour DEROS system in Vietnam--that, while appearing to be effective, only led to delayed onset of symptoms (the 'Post' in PTSD).
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 04:57 PM
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34. I saw some pretty florid examples of what we would now call
"acute stress responses" in combat. I recall one instance in which a guy flipped out & started screaming & swinging at people during a mortar attack. (He had no discernible physical injury.) We evaced him by tying him between two stretchers & carrying him off the field. We had a crappy FLA (Front Line Ambulance--basically a jeep with a longer body) on which only the front wheel drive mechanism worked--the rear end was shot. We loaded him into it & gunned it through the gumbo, with shrapnel flying around,getting out to push every so often when we got stuck.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:44 PM
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30. The WW I vets really got slapped around too.
They marched on Washington to draw attention to their plight, and the benefits they never received. The government responded by calling out the National Gurdr on them. I have often wondered what was going through the minds of those Guardsmen when they were confronting the vets.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:58 PM
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32. Man, we have a hell of a record when it comes to vets, huh?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:18 PM
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19. (KnR) They're ignored and shunned. But mostly, our government has broken the promises made to them.
The underfunded VA. The avoidance of paying for service-related disabilities. It has ever been such. Each generation has its walking dead, still walking, still dead, an impossible number of years after their unthanked service.

Can you imagine what it is like if any WWII or Korean vets are still out there? I imagine there remain a few, under that bridge, clutching that liter of rotgut. I know gawddamned well there are still many Viet Nam vets in that situation, lo these 35, 40, 45 years hence. And now, a new crop of them, fucked up by what they were made to endure by a nation who promised but never delivered.

Your thread, like mine - and like those vet brothers and sisters, ignored, even here where there ought to be some compassion.

This is Veteran's Day, fer krissakes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9535502
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:59 PM
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33. Yet they vote enmasse for the Party that lies to them consistantly
marching in lock step as if they will find the golden ticket the next time.......
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:30 PM
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22. Because the lying bastards who claim to care about veterans don't.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 02:31 PM by TexasObserver
All the politicians like to give lip service to taking care of our veterans, but it's lip service.

The military clamps down on PTSD and other injuries, and the VA does what it is told to do.
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