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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 11:56 AM
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The assassination of FDR
That's what is about to happen. Social Security, Unemployment benefits, & workers rights are about to be flushed because there will be no austerity measures for the rich & connected, or the military. And this is theft. This will be the biggest theft in the history of the planet. We have worked and bought into these programs. They are owned by us. They were the best investments some of us ever made. In our lives, most of us have never not contributed to these insurance policies.

So the Wall streeters and the investment bankers and inheritance babies will get their taxes reduced by stealing our insurance policies.

I finally understand how Hitler succeeded in convincing a populace into crazy schemes. And we have just as crazy a populace.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:01 PM
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1. When the people of a country are most vulnerable economically
it very easy to have a Dictatorial Ideological Takeover.

The canaries are stirring about. Chirp Chirp Chirp
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:06 PM
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3. Fear of anything always helps authoritarians.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:06 PM by RandomThoughts
That translates into structures of status quo that want control, or any group that tries to take power.

It is why some say fear is more effective.

:shrug:

I don't worry about it.

Why Worry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_03uXQiz6eY
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:05 PM
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2. Totally agree with you. Hope & Change was a big fat lie! But it's "ALL GOOD" when the dems destroy
the middle class and leave them to eat cat food when they are old, sick or disabled! :grr:
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:19 PM
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12. A big fat lie.
We were taken.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:25 PM
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15. IOkIODI. nt
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:07 PM
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4. Amen...
what a sad state of affairs... who would have ventured to guess that FDR policies would even be "on the table" with a Democratic majority
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:09 PM
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5. Kick..
by the way, love the title of your op. - it will make a great book title one day..
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:10 PM
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6. It has nothing to do with the populace and everything to do with the silent coup of the top 1%
The Business Plot is finally coming to fruition.

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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:15 PM
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10. It's both
how grotesque.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:10 PM
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7. Exaggeration.
It's only a commission report!

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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:14 PM
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9. Good time to act
no?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:27 PM
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16. AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE>>>in govt too!!!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:11 PM
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8. Liberals and Progrssives must stop them by any means necessary
No Legislation is better than bad Legislation.

First The DC crowd must come out of the bubble.
and realize what is going on in the stetes.

Here in Ohio the Republicans took over.
Last night Our Local News reported that
the New Team see some serious cuts coming.
Medicaid is going to get a big hit.

If the Cat food Commissioners use wisdom
they will look at what is happening in the
country before slashing and burning and
finishing decimating the people(already
damaged by the States ).

No Legislation is better than bad Legislation.
Deficits are better than Depressions.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:24 PM
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14. ...We need to take some lessons from "Old Europe". They had demonstrations in lots of countries..
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:25 PM by BrklynLiberal
We are only one country and cannot get together enough for a meaningful protest.
France was almost brought to its knees by the suggestion of moving retirement age from 60 to 62.
Here there is talk of moving retirement age to 69...and not a peep!!!!!!!!




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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:30 PM
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19. And yet, Sarkozy won.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:44 PM
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22. Perhaps true..but at least it was not without a fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:17 PM
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11. Yep. The total dismantling ofthe New Deal....
The exact same folks who were outed by General Smedley Butler, are at it again...and this time, we do not have anyone like Butler to show everyone that "the emperor is naked", and thereby put a stop to it.

Rather than being an in utero mole for the Leftists, I am leaning toward believing quite the opposite.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:21 PM
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13. this emperor is totally naked
the defense around here is shocking.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:30 PM
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18. Shocking but not surprising.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:31 PM
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20. We just had the grandson and son of a NAZI BANKER as PRESIDENTS. Fascism is alive and well.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:32 PM by WinkyDink
Too bad we have no guts any more. Nobody wants to be the American before the tank.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:29 PM
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17. salinen
salinen

They might try to kill everything that FDR worked for, to make a class of dirt poor peopole who are more or less in the hands of the "big ones".. But rembember, when enough is enough, they might loose more than they know. What happend in 1776, 1789, 1848 and not to say 1917?.. Dirt poor people with nothing to loose was going against the rich, and the powerfull. And both in 1776 and in 1789, a whole new world started.. In 1848, the reforms of the 1800s started for real, even tho the revolution itself was stoped in its tracs, for beeing to radikal at the time... The great Russian Revolution of 1917 scared the hell out of most of europe, and a lot of the reformers who are today a part of everyday european life, can make it roots back to the revolution of 1917, when farmers and workers was turning against the rich, and starting a whole new future, not just for what came to be known as Soviet Union, but also for the rest of the Europe, mostly known in West Europe, who most of the industry was centered from early age. And where many of the workers was far more radical than it is later known.. From 1917, an steady stream of reforms, from the top to the bottom managed to build what is Europe today. Where even the poorest of the country's have one form or another of well fare and healt care system....

Hitler managed to convincing a poulace into crazy schemes for many reasons.. And I for one fear when US are really going out on the deep end, we might get a collective stay when Obama was elected, but its an election in 2012..... And we do not know if Obama is elected again.. And the candidates of the opposite sides, as they are known today, is crazy most of them... Dangrousely crazy..


Maybe it is time for the american working class, to let the Powers to be, to know that they do are greater and bigger than the one percent who own most of the wealth.. And they better share the wealth, ot pay the consequenses of not doing so... Our elites here in Europe learned it well, after the many revolutions, and it is more or less agreement all over the plate what is right, and just, and what is not right and just.. US have maybe to learn the same leasson as Euope did for many year ago...

Diclotican
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:42 PM
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21. It would seem that contrary to popular opinion of the RWingnuts, Europe IS
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:43 PM by BrklynLiberal
much further on in the evolutionary line than this young, and still very arrogant, country.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:16 PM
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23. BrklynLiberal
BrklynLiberal

Wel, it took Europe at least 800 year, before the system we have today, and it was a strugle, cm for cm for every right we have today, and it is still a fight for the right, becouse the rights we have, are allways under attac from some, who want a whole different world here too.. The illness of Neo-Conservatives is not just an illness who is in US im afraid...

But yes, Europe as a whole have maybe Europe climbing up the evolutionary line than US have at the pressent. And the RWingnuts are in the wrong the suport the system we have by a large in the population. If it had been a poll for or against the pressent welfare and healtcare system in any european country who had it, I suspect the suport for the healtcare and wellfare system would be astronomical... Becouse it is just and right... And becouse we understand that we all can need a hospital bed sometimes, or at least some help from the welfare system, some for a short while, others for a longer while..

USA is a young, and arrogant country, just 230 or so years.. Most of the country's who is Europe have in one or another form a history going back at least to the end of the Roman period.. 400-500 AD.. And it is a long history who is troublesome and full of fights and strife... But in the end we managed to get it pretty well compared to the rest of the world... And I belive that US one day or another wil wake up to the facts, as the rest of the world also have... Even in dirt poor country's, some form of healt care are in place.. I hope one day, that US wil understand that 50 or så withouth healt care is an danger to the rest of the community as a whole...

One of the main reasons we have our healt care system in Europe today, is becouse in the late 1800 and early 1900s a lof of the illnesses who had been plaguinging Europe for at least 1000 year, was beeing understood, and was treatable by modern medicine. And it was in the public interest, to have a state owned system where illness who was damaing the public health a a whole could be treated. Even tho in early times it also had been using some sorts of "public healt care protection"; the system who was building from 1950s and forward was noting known to man before.. And by the end of WW1, it was a part of the public system, to have hospitals and other places to treat illness on the public expence.. Both as a part of regular "healt care" but also as a form of keeping the public in healt.. And one of the nations where it was made mandotary was Germany and France, where the working class could have 3 weeks paid leave alleready in 1938, and it was expended to all of Western Europe after world war 2... Today Frence Italy Germany and some other nations have 7 or 8 weeks paid leave in the summer.. Here up in Norway we have at least 4 weeks paid leave, after 56 5 weeks paid leave, and it is for the most part taken out by the summer time.

Diclotican
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 03:27 PM
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24. The US still has a lot of evolving and growing to do....we are 800 years behind.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 05:26 PM
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25. BrklynLiberal
BrklynLiberal

Hopefully you do not neeed 800 year to understand it.. Even tho US is a young nation, you can build on top of what we in "old europe" have understand, and could posible also do it better than in the Europe.. if you want it then..

After all, US still have some admires over here too... And as one my family members was saying for two weaks ago, when I was in a little party there.. Think how rich US once was, and HOW BADLY they have fallen from the top... She is a old woman now, in her 60s I guess, and he have lived a long time so I guess she also know a few things about the world...

Diclotican
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