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durkermaker Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:58 PM
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Outsourcing jobs inside U.S. lets terrorists hide in plain sight
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 01:01 PM by durkermaker
Barbara Hollingsworth: Outsourcing jobs inside U.S. lets terrorists hide in plain sight
By: Barbara Hollingsworth
Local Opinion Editor
November 2, 2010 Looking at photos of the Madrid passenger train peeled open like a sardine can by terrorist bombs in 2003, it's not hard to imagine a Metro train meeting the same fate. Last week's arrest of Pakistani-born Farooque Ahmed, who is accused of plotting to bomb four Metro stations in Virginia, renewed concerns that terrorists are using the nation's legal immigration system as a conduit into the U.S.

The easiest way to get into the U.S. without attracting undue attention is to apply for a student visa, as Ahmed, 34, apparently did at the City University of New York. After graduation, you can extend your stay for up to 29 months with Optional Professional Training (such as graduate school) without Department of Labor approval.

Ahmed's Oct. 27, 2010, LinkedIn profile said that he enrolled in a master's computer engineering program at CUNY's College of Staten Island, but did not complete a degree due to a "political issue between computer science and eng department."


After that, an employer-sponsored H-1B visa -- which requires virtually no vetting of applicants -- will keep you in the U.S. for six years or more, with automatic extensions while you wait for a green card making you a permanent resident. With a green card, you can legally stay in the U.S. even if you lose your job. It also opens the last doorway to naturalization.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Outsourcing-jobs-inside-U_S_-lets-terrorists-hide-in-plain-sight-1419551-106549953.html


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:01 PM
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1. Please don't post from right wing sources.
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durkermaker Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:04 PM
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2. i search for topics on h-1b
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 01:23 PM by durkermaker
and i post them if they're true

if they said it was partly cloudy, would that be right-wing weather, and right wing thinking if i believed it?

if the left wing is strangely silent on an issue that affects working people, are you really going to enforce silence? Doesnt that leave you defenseless if those you trust sell you out?

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:38 PM
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7. Of course, now you're being deliberately obtuse. You know the difference
between a weather report and a right wing screed. If not, what are you doing here?
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durkermaker Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 02:50 PM
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8. what's right wing screed about being against a program that discriminates against citizen workers?
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 03:10 PM by durkermaker
which h-1b absolutely, positivly does?

now that obama says outsourcing creates jobs, am i right wing if i disagree with that?

i think it makes more sense to care about what's right rather than who's right

I praise Bernie Sanders, Dick Durbin, and Chuck Grassley for their positions on H-1b, many of which they've worked on together. Is Benie Sanders now a rightwing republican because he worked with grassley on the TARP/H-1b rule? Or is grassley now an independent socialist?

Do you see the difficulties in seeing everything through the rigid prism of labels?

how do you explain this


"Sen. Grassley and Sen. Sanders both argue that U.S. firms have a moral obligation to protect U.S. workers' jobs"

a socialist and a right wing republican agreeing on something - how can this be? isnt that the equivelent of dividing by zero? they're not saying the right wing or the socialist position is right here, they're saying what position is morally right - period


http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/senate-approves-strict-rules-hiring-h-1b-workers-365

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:08 PM
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3. Illegal immigrant = nanny; Legal immigrant = terra. I know, let's make 'em all illegal - that'll
win the Global War on Terrorism in one easy step! :think: :crazy: :dunce: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :nuke:
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:11 PM
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4. While I think H1B and such should be sharply curtailed, not for jingiostic reasons.
Nor security reasons. They are used as an economic weapon against wage pressure. Thus, lowering EVERY mans/womans wage. And their job security. It is used to dilute your more experience. Make you fret for complaining. Go along, to get along. This tool works quite well as the fed also affects wage pressure. By raising the interest rate, it stifles hiring plans. Magically making you less cocky when asking for a raise. This is how our system works. It makes losers, so that we can have winners. Problem is, now the right wants to literally starve the disabled, the elderly, the mentally touched. As a savvy watcher of Fox gleans, they want lots of semi-legal employees. H1B's they love. Kill unions etc. Anything to make you thank GOD you still have a job. Thank you sir, may I have another. Serf/Lord society.
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durkermaker Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:15 PM
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5. it should be curtailed for any reason harmfull to citizens
Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 01:28 PM by durkermaker
I've followed H-1b for years, my primary reason is economic, i dont like being discriminated against, i dont like subsidizing corporations (as milton friedman said it does)

we are one zillion percent in agreement on everything you said about the economic effects, what you said about how it affects wages for all, you are exactly right

I have always felt that it was a security risk, but never said much about it because i didnt want to look like another 911 exploiter

but there have been TWO h-1b terrorists this year! DC metro trains and times square bomber

is it really wrong to mention this ?!?!

crying wolf is legitimate if there is in fact, a wolf

and it helps make the sale to those who dont care about wage suppression, but do care about terrorism - why suppress any valid part of a message?

do you think the anti-H-1b side is winning too easily?
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 05:03 PM
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9. Agreed, besides H-1B facilitates offshoring of still more jobs and production
capacity further exacerbating wage suppression, job loss, and national security risk by threatening the industrial base. Jobs and national security all go together.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 01:16 PM
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6. Well, gee, Barbara, ya think bombing the crap out of innocent people in Pakistan
might have more to do with this than foreign students?

What an idiot.
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